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by cpickett2＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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technical issues of the list
by Jenaer Mixmaster Anonserver 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Issues: 1. Robustness. Usenet wins. 2. Efficiency. Usenet loses, but perhaps some kind of hack could be implemented combining mail and news delivery for greater efficiency without losing robustness? I'm not familiar with NNTP. 3. Access control. Usenet is too easy to get in to. We need to discourage clueless newbies from bothering us. This too could be hacked, e.g. set up a PGP cancel bot which only allows PGP signed posts. (This has many other convenient benefits such as encouraging nyms, and preventing spam.) Hm.. But people might worry that sigs could increase their legal exposure, even if they use (less than perfectly strong) nyms. So a good variation is to generate the canonical key pair and share the secret key around. Hell, post the secret key once a week in the FAQ... The cancel bot should allow sigs by either that key or any arbitrary key. Whoops! Such a cancel-bot undermines our goal of robustness.. HMMMmm. Okay the best solution to signal/noise management is (as always) filtering at the reader's desk. I don't read William H. Geiger III or Paul Bradley posts (usually), I don't read anything Subject: "Make Money Fast", from "Graham-John Buellers" or containing "Timmy" in the first sentence, and if we switch to Usenet, I won't read articles posted by unknowns without PGP sigs. There. :-) Regards, Zooko P.S. I am not a crook. Nor am I the anonymous who is so earnestly pleading for some sanity-checking around here, although I tend to agree with some of his points. P.P.S. Hi, Joichi Ito! Nice to see some articles from the Japanese chapter of The International Committee to Put The Bastards Up Against A Wall--- whoops- I mean, the Japanese chapter of the Peace-Loving, Code-Writing, Money-Making Cypherpunks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: http://www.c2.net/~bryce -- 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.01 iQCVAwUBNG3T6hiDTlaqCaKdAQGTBwP+MFtiUEyD0zMCmhTUXA6vz4Ije/2qvPEP ckhFUlw4qLDg0cW0uXsS6Dl4HKhIV9Iu8DtC8BA7C692vC6E6EH5xQIQW6BmajOp gxhECxeCT2zrtGRKwDV5GMEtLsJ5Splp7qxlGJW4o1/16rhGVpxWzqESgC8PhDaT uAyb49at0pM= =HMRX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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evolRe: What cypherpunks used to be
by wabe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ANONYMOUS said: > evolve or die Evolution requires death, by definition. _______________________________________ -wabe

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Vulis again
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Tim C. May's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is > completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is > cross-ruminated. > > | | > | O | Tim C. May > (--|--) > | > / \ Talk about reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated... Vulis must be getting old. ---guy So, die, already.

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Re: Naziworld
by Dave Van Domelen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Which link? And which Naziworld are you referring to? There's lots out there in comics, fiction and gaming. Dave

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House Panel Questions FBI Implementation of Wiretap Law
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I doubt any of these revelations will come as a shock to list members. --Steve ------------------ Excerpt from ACLU News 10-26-97 House Panel Questions FBI Implementation of Wiretap Law FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, October 23, 1997 WASHINGTON -- Amid growing concerns about privacy implications and costs, a House subcommittee today questioned FBI implementation of a controversial 1994 law that forced telephone companies help law enforcement agencies gain access to digital phone lines for surveillance operations. During the four-hour hearing before the Crime Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, two Republicans -- Bob Barr of Georgia and Steve Chabot of Ohio -- were harshly critical of the 1994 law, has implemented it, saying it represents an enormous invasion of privacy and could lead to a system of ongoing government surveillance. Seconding those criticisms, the American Civil Liberties Union said that safeguards originally implemented in the legislation have failed to protect the American public. "The hearing today clearly revealed that the FBI is embarked on a scheme to undermine the privacy of every law-abiding American," said Donald Haines, a Legislative Counsel with the ACLU's Washington National Office. "From the very beginning, the FBI has flagrantly violated both the process and the requirements set out in the legislation," Haines added. "The FBI has repeatedly sought to coerce the telecommunications industry into changing its technology so that law enforcement agencies could increase their wiretapping." The 1994 telecommunications act is far from the only effort by the FBI to gain backdoor access to private communications. In another ongoing Congressional debate, the FBI is trying to impose restrictions on the use of privacy-protecting encryption technology. "Congress must squarely confront this persistent pattern of FBI and law enforcement intrusions into our privacy," Haines said. "Congress should act immediately to repeal the 1994 law, or, at an absolute minimum, refuse to fund any implementation activities."

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Re: The Digital Society Group
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From jalonz(a)openworld.com Thu Jan 8 02:19:34 1998 > Received: from openworld.com (www.openworld.com [205.157.133.52]) > by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with SMTP id CAA24973 > for <guy(a)panix.com>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:19:34 -0500 (EST) > From: jalonz(a)openworld.com > Received: by openworld.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 85256586.00285987 ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:20:43 -0500 > X-Lotus-FromDomain: OPENWORLD.COM > To: Information Security <guy(a)panix.com>, cyberpunks(a)toad.net Cyberpunks? You really know how to score points! > Message-ID: <85256586.00280ED7.00(a)openworld.com> > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:22:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: The Digital Society Group > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Status: R > > > ># SAN DIEGO DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. > ># > ># Computer Security - Provide computer security assistance in criminal > ># investigations. Tasks include data decryption, recovering erased > data, > ># password retrieval, data line monitoring, and protected system entry. > > > >Isn't that last item special? > > > >---guy > > > > And a possible reason for heading the other way. > > guy, > > tough noogies > > deal with it... > > Notice the words "criminal investigations"? God forbid talent could > actually be used for a good cause. The incidents in question were actually > quite serious (Chinese mafia money laundering via phony real estate deals) > and not at all like the porno bbs confiscation crap you'd be thinking of. > > :) > jqz Just curious what your reaction would be to that ambiguous statement. Having done DA support, I expect you are quite serious about heading the other way to give users security and anonymity. How do you justify both, since the "bad guys" would benefit? ---- It's the other stuff: that you flit around (people posting "Where are you Jalon Q. Zimmerman?"), that The Digital Society doesn't have its own domain, but is hosted by some other company called "OpenWorld", which has AOL contact addresses... Who is Mark Frazier, who owns OpenWorld, how long has it been in business, what is your relationship to them, what is your job description? Is OpenWorld another startup that is going to go <poof>? The OpenWorld pages read like any other company BS, and you've given yourself the lofty title "Director". Yeah, and we have Sir Timothy May, Dr. Dim Vulvis, etc. You're about 26, and full of hot air. ---guy You mean well. ;-)

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Apologies to Joichi Ito
by dabi-do＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Ito: Apologies for misspelling your surname. Ito-san was what I had in mind. Dabi-do dabi-do(a)juno.com

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Re: PGPsdk is now free for non-commercial use
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[I'm also posting this to coderpunks, but cypherpunks is probably a better place for discussions.] At 10:13 PM 11/15/1997 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: >At 1:06 AM -0800 11/15/97, phelix(a)vallnet.com wrote: >>Well, PGP has come to it's senses and is allowing non-commercial >>developers to use the sdk for free. I didn't notice anything too >>ominous in the license agreement, and they promise a new >>licensing/prices for shareware and small commercial developers. >> >>Perhaps nobody is buying the sdk at it's current highly >>inflated licensing price. > >Much more likely is that more than a few cypherpunks discussed >the issue with PRZ at the last SF Bay Area Physical meeting, >and that discussion is bearing fruit. I'm pleased to see PGP Inc. permitting development of freeware, but at leased from a first reading of the license, it's a _really_ restrictive definition of "freeware" - not only does the software have to be free, but it can only be used in extremely restrictively non-commercial activities. It's far more restrictive than RSAREF (though more precisely defined.) Here's an excerpt from the web page at http://www.pgp.com/sdk/sdklicencefree.html For purposes hereof, the term "non-commercial" shall mean that the application (a) has been distributed or otherwise made available at no charge (direct or indirect) and (b) is not used for any commercial purpose, which includes, but is not limited to, any activity engaged for the purpose of generating revenues (directly or indirectly). For example, a commercial purpose includes the use of the application within a commercial business or facility or the use of the product to provide a service, or in support of service, for which you charge. Commercial purpose also includes use by any government agency or organization. Examples of non-commercial purposes include use at home for personal correspondence, use by students for academic activities, or use by human rights organizations. First of all, it sounds like it can only be used by students at non-government-run universities, but not at Berkeley, and if Random MIT Student develops PGPwidget using the toolkit, students at U.C.Berkeley can't use it for academic use either, except perhaps on their PCs at home (if they live off-campus.) (Do any of the UK universities count as non-government-run?) But "within a commercial business or facility" is far more restrictive. I use a laptop for my home and work email, and carry it around. It sounds like I can't use PGPwidget or PGPsdk for encrypting personal email at lunchtime when my laptop is at the office, and perhaps not from a hotel (at least if I'm there on business)? I probably can't start PGPwidget at home and leave it running when I carry the laptop to work. I probably can't use PGPwidget when I'm reading my work email at home, though perhaps it's ok to use it on personal mail that someone sent to my work MSExchange, assuming it's not a widget that competes with a PGP product. This is frustrating - today, I can use PGP 2.6.2, and maybe 5.0, at work, though I can't sell it without a license, and it's not very clear whether I can run a commercial service without a license (I probably need a license from RSA, but not PGP, and non-RSA keys probably don't require that.) And I can certainly write programs that use PGP command-line interfaces to encrypt things without any restrictions on my code. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Exporting crypto from Japan
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Do you readJapanese import & export law book? If you don't read at yet,You must read it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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