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RE: [Noise] was Re: Giving 6 year old kids Uzi's
by Bill Olson (EDP) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry E. Metzger writes: > > >"Bill Olson (EDP)" writes: >> I don't care if it takes my son 6 years to get through 2 grade levels, >> anyone who allows there kid to pack a gun (or a rifle?) should get their >> head examined > >Why? What, objectively, is wrong with allowing, say, a twelve year old >to go plinking with a .22? Lets not hear vitriol -- lets just hear >cold hard reasons not to allow it. > >Myself, I'd say that it appears that there is no good objective >reason. > >Perry I find nothing wrong with plinking. Hell, I'm from Montana--we used to go shooting all the time. But when the shooting was done, the guns were put away. What I find disturbing is that a child is taking it to school, or just carrying it around. I say that any parent who thinks their child is mature enough to carry a gun for non-recreational reasons is less mature than the child. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are a danger to their own children. I guess I don't really have to worry too much, though. It is illegal for children to possess such items publicly, and any parent who condones it is simply breaking the law. I don't blame the child, I blame the moronic parent who let's it happen.

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Re: Bare fibers
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:56 PM 7/23/96, Bill Frantz wrote: >At 12:30 AM 7/23/96 -0500, Douglas R. Floyd wrote: >>Not really sure how. I have had heard of ways to tap a fibre optic link >>noninvasively, but its not related to Van Eck or anything like that. > >You could break the fiber and add a repeater (if you know enough about the >light protocol). Plastic fiber can be cut with a pocket knife, glass >requires a machine which will make a square cut and polish the end. Those >machines are not yet cheap. Fibers can be tapped noninvasively, and without cutting them, by placing detectors in direct proximity to the fiber. That is, touching the glass or plastic. For fibers relying on total internal reflection at the fiber boundary, the waves actually partly exist beyond the boundary (with an imaginary component). Another fiber or a detector placed near this boundary can make this imaginary component become "real," and hence detect the wave. This is "tunneling," of course. (A simple demonstration is done with a glass prism reflector, a reflector relying on total internal reflection. If a symmetrical prism is placed up against the first prism, the "total reflector" ceases to be.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DES-busting Javanese pagers and TVs
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 23 Jul 96 at 15:53, Timothy C. May wrote: [..] > A while back I proposed one approach: a brute force "screen saver" for > Windows machines. Other platforms, maybe, but the most cost-effective thing > to do is to go after the Windows market only. How about applets for java-aware pagers or tv-sets that will supposedly show up in the near future? When a crack is found, you can call a toll-free number, give them the code, and win a prize (ala Chinese-lottery). Would it be better to have them all try random keys rather than use assigned keyspaces? Can't keysearches be shorted by half (not that it's that significant, 2^55 rather than 2^56) using complement keys? First thing one should check are the weak and semi-weak keys (a good implementation will avoid them, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't check for them). [..] > Acquiring chunks of keyspace remains an issue, but I think we resolved a > while back that a probabalistic method works OK: people just pick chunks at > random, and the decreased efficiency as compared to perfect scheduling is > something like a factor of a couple (I have the numbers I calculated > somewhere, and I recall Hal Finney made the same estimate). > > Some means of communicating results--especially wins!--is still needed. > This is where Perry's idea of a Java program is a good one. Rob --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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by SOMSER BBS 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: passphrase and Diceware [was Re: Length of passphrase beneficial?]
by reinhold＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The author of the Diceware system is Arnold G. Reinhold and can be contacted to reinhold(a)world.std.com >He has three pages: The Diceware Passphrase home page (html), The Diceware >WordList (ascii) and a text with the technical rationales behind the list >(ascii) >I don't remember the URL, sorry >Greeting, >Jean-Paul > >~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- >Jean-Paul et Micheline Kroepfli >eMail: JeanPaul.Kroepfli(a)utopia.fnet.fr The Diceware Passphrase home page: http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.page.html The Diceware WordList: http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.wordlist.asc Technical rationales behind the list: http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.txt Other stuff that may be of interest, including a survey on PGP passphrase usage and a rant on why p=?np has nothing to do with crypto: http://world.std.com/~reinhold/papers.html Regards, Arnold G. Reinhold reinhold(a)world.std.com

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RE: [Noise] was Re: Giving 6 year old kids Uzi's
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:54 PM 7/23/96, Bill Olson (EDP) wrote: >I find nothing wrong with plinking. Hell, I'm from Montana--we used to >go shooting all the time. But when the shooting was done, the guns were >put away. What I find disturbing is that a child is taking it to school, >or just carrying it around. I say that any parent who thinks their child >is mature enough to carry a gun for non-recreational reasons is less >mature than the child. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are a >danger to their own children. > >I guess I don't really have to worry too much, though. It is illegal for >children to possess such items publicly, and any parent who condones it >is simply breaking the law. I don't blame the child, I blame the moronic >parent who let's it happen. I'm _still_ missing the reference here? Just who *seriously* is proposing that 6-year-old children carry guns to school? (I emphasize "seriously* because there is a big difference between seriously proposing this and obviously making a joke, a la "I say we issue them guns after a basic safety class in Kindergarten." And I think someone's (maybe Brad Dolan's, if I remember correctly) point that his daughter carries a gun at school was followed immediately by mention that she is home-schooled, i.e., at his home.) I can imagine certain circumstances in which children could be armed--attacking terrorists on a ranch, Indians, etc.--but no public school in the United States, and probably not any private schools (K-12), allow loaded guns to be carried to schools. I'd love to see this "stupid gun thread" (to use Ernest Hua's term) die, but it keeps living on because some here are mischaracterizing the claims of others. Look, handing out guns to kids playing cops and robbers at age 6 or 8 or even 10 is probably a bad idea, but training kids at even a very young age to respect guns and to understand their dangers and limitations--and their advantages--is proably a good idea. In any case, the hoplophobia of some parents is not adequate reason to stop other parents from training their children under carefully controlled conditions. Getting a carry permit is not easy in any state in the U.S., so the fears that 6-year-olds are openly carrying guns to public schools is unfounded. (Young kids carrying guns to schools _secretly_ is of course a problem. Many of them carry crude guns out of fear that other kids are carrying guns. The proper solution for a kid committing a serious crime with a gun is to severely punish the child--I see no reason why a 14-year-old who murders someone should not get the brand of justice I favor, namely, a fair trial, no appeal except on substantive grounds, and a quick execution if determined to be guilty of first degree murder.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Decrypt Unix Password File
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:46 PM 7/23/96 +0800, Jerome wrote: >How can I decrypt Unix password file? Get the source for a a Unix-compatible password encryptor, reverse it to make it a decryption program, take the line for a user from the password file, decode it from printable-ASCII format to the binary value, and enter the user's password. If you've written your programs correctly, you'll get the original secret value*. If this secret value is less than exciting to you (:-), try lots of things that might be the user's password, and one of them will work. Exercises for the reader: 0) What's a "shadow password file"? Does it affect the methods described above? 1) Since you know the secret value, you could try using your existing Unix password software and seeing if you get the correct encrypted value when you put in the correct password. 1A) Does this suggest some more useable algorithms? 1B) What does the Unix manual page for crypt(3) say about it? 1C) Can you implement a program that does this successfully? 1D) How many tries do you think it will take? 1E) Does anybody on your system use wimpy passwords? 2) Are there any books or papers describing how the Unix Password System works that would help you understand? 2A) Where would you look for them? 2B) Are they on the Web? How would you find out? 2C) Which of the following famous authors of Unix wrote important papers about the topic: Dennis Ritchie? Ken Thompson? Brian Kernighan? Rob Pike? Fred Grampp? Bob Morris Sr.? Jr.? The Brahms Gang? Bill Joy? Matt Crawford? How would you find out? Did they write anything else interesting? 3) Has anyone else implemented any Unix password cracking programs? What countries with very cold weather would have them on popular ftp sites? Are they more effective than your implementation in 1C)? Why? 4) If you're trying to crack passwords on a System V Unix system, why should you always try to crack root's password? [* hex 0000000000000000, I think. ] In a later message, Jerome Tan also wrote: > What is the code of password file of Unix? I have them but don't > know how read them. Any file converter or viewer for that? A) The code is "RTFM" B) The code is "Ask the user" # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Confuse Authority!

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RE: SHI_fty
by Bill Olson (EDP) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vinnie Moscaritolo writes: <snip> >>>Uh I think apple had that for a while, it's called cyberdog >>>http://cyberdog.apple.com screw this ole fud. >> >>Very true. But once again, it is not the technology that molds the >>world, but the exploitation thereof. Welcome to capitalism. >>> > >so shit floats...whats your point? Let me spell it out for you: M-O-N-E-Y. Shit floats. Apple doesn't... don't kill the messenger.

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Public briefing on NRC Cryptography Policy Report in...
by CRYPTO 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: Public briefing on NRC Cryptography Policy Report in Boston, August 7 Please post widely.... Cryptography's Role in Securing the Information Society A Public Briefing in Boston, Massachusetts Wednesday, August 7, 1996, 10:00 am to noon There will be a public briefing Boston, Massachusetts by the National Research Council on the report. The briefing will be held at the Gardener Auditorium in the State House in Boston on Wednesday, August 7, from 10:00 AM to 12:00 noon. Check http://www.tiac.net/biz/bcslegal for current information. Authoring committee member Elliot M. Stone will be among the presenters at the Boston briefing. Dr. Herbert Lin, study director and senior staff officer of CSTB, will be present. The Boston Computer Society Legal Group, the Boston Bar Association and the Information Technology Division of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts are co-hosts for this event. Questions from the audience will be entertained, and a limited number of pre-publication copies of the report will be available at that time. For further information, please contact Dan Greenwood at (617) 973-0071 or DGreenwood @ state.ma.us. The event is open to the press and the public. If you have suggestions about other places that the committee should offer a public briefing, please send e-mail to crypto(a)nas.edu.

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RE: No more stupid gun thread ...
by Bill Olson (EDP) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ernest Hua writes: > >Ok. This thread has gone on long enough and covered just about every >point except the one which I originally made in my first response, >which is that I abhor the idea that kids should carry weapons (of any >sort) to school as standard equipment. In fact, I abhor the idea >that kids should carry weapons at school for any reason. > >Enough said. > >I do not care to discuss: > >1. Should kids have any weapons at any time? > >2. Should kids have guns (specifically guns)? > >3. Should kids know how to operate weapons of any sort? > >If any of you really really have to discuss this issue, let's spare >the rest of the list and send me E-Mail directly. > >Thanks! > >Ern Who died and left you in charge?

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