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Re: Questions...
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12.12 PM 7/27/96 -0400, Alan Horowitz wrote: >> Hello, I would rather I not be too blunt, but despite my generous >interest in computer > hacking cracking, and other such related topics, I >have come to be confused by the > mailer, can I ask any questions that I >wish, or am I limited by some type of header > subject? > > > >Shaun, let me explain. There's a committee of seven people. Me, Tim May, >David Sternlight, some assination-politics guy, some guy named Vultis or >somesuch, and so on. > >Only if we're in unanimous agreement on the outcome of an issue, may you >start a thread on a new topic. which then continues till the first >posting which calls someone a Nazi. And if they *don't* like your suggestion, you get killed and they move on to the next guy's suggestion of how to split up the available issues so that each cypherpunk gets a fair share of ranting. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo ga sukoshi dekiru) ---------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu PGP public key 0xD37692F9 -----> finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or keyservers 0xD37692F9 Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 Do you know who's reading your email? ---> http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/pgp/ Is it a forgery? --- I have PGP signed all email and news posts since May 1996. =============================================================================== "Relax. It's not a real alarm. They can't crack _Pentagon_ codes. Can they?" :p -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMfqXpBguzHDTdpL5AQHkjQQAoLcf75f6TcKCGUaoq0c1JiL+seDFgw2l LQNHY+P/coI8KmQeEpeZgdAVEmts+BNbhGfHSaHTFtyAoUP24OfRDyVr7Mn4d0gF 1wuDp4aVNtGAEMCVkg9dXL6Klf38NeglU1EH2522loYo6g6/ANiTdPX729KrMNMO 3iPydVCu0aI= =NhSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "privatizing" phones?
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 04.11 PM 7/26/96 -0700, Eric Murray wrote: >It's a 46mhz analog model, newer phones use frequencies >in the 900mhz range and/or digital encoding. >The 900mhz range is one of those 'blocked' in most newer radio >scanners, this is required by law as of a few years ago. >Many scanners can have some or all of the locked-out >ranges restored by suitable modification (i.e. removing >a resistor). Many of these mods are posted on the net. One of my friends has a Radio Shack scanner (the cat. # of which I do not recall) which does pick up the 900MHz range. We tried (unsuccessfully) to modify it according to an internet posting. I don't know how old it is. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo ga sukoshi dekiru) ---------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu PGP public key 0xD37692F9 -----> finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or keyservers 0xD37692F9 Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 Do you know who's reading your email? ---> http://www.arc.unm.edu/~drosoff/pgp/ Is it a forgery? --- I have PGP signed all email and news posts since May 1996. =============================================================================== "Relax. It's not a real alarm. They can't crack _Pentagon_ codes. Can they?" :p -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMfqQkRguzHDTdpL5AQFCuQP+ILE3NAbjEZ2p6d6WDIhoi9yNYafQOiSv u00hink6Ylz8pQGP1xhQ9Bsn5pLyrS9Mck/UJ4Qw6omJBrE2LkgNy5Du8xdkqlQu 9MZaVqPXYphnGdAJ+oORXhvSkI9G0qYZPJjByypMd4Da92vqmDogrdTJFKgK21vh OeTNyh8i+zQ= =55JX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Feinstein wants controls on Internet, Books
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From <http://cnn.com/US/9607/28/clinton.speech/index.html>: > The president said he has invited congressional leaders to meet with the > head of the FBI on Monday. > > The leaders will discuss bills that would expand wiretaps and allow for > chemically "tagging" explosives, which could help track terrorist acts. > Such legislation is needed to "increase the protection of the American > people," Clinton said. > > Both measures were taken out of an anti-terrorism bill Clinton signed > into law earlier this year. He also said that a spate of recent acts of > political violence showed that law enforcement needed such powers. > > "As strong as the bill was, it did not give our law enforcement officials > some of the powerful tools I had recommended," Clinton said. and from a similar article on AOL (from Reuters): > ``We will ... do whatever is necessary to give law enforcement the tools they need to find >terrorists before they strike and to bring them swiftly to justice when they do,'' he said. > [snip; same as the cnn story] > > The expanded wiretap authority would allow law enforcement personnel to listen to all >communications devices used by a given person, including a home phone, mobile phone and >pager. At present, authority is given over a specific phone number, rather than for a >specific person. > > The second measure would require explosives makers to insert a chemical fingerprint >in their products that would help authorities narrow their search for a bomber. The White House web page does not have a transcript of the President's speech; in fact, under "Today's Top Issue" was 'President Clinton's Call for a National Community Policing Number', dated July 23rd. -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems <mailto:mclow@mailhost2.csusm.edu> "We're not gonna take it/Never did and never will We're not gonna take it/Gonna break it, gonna shake it, let's forget it better still" -- The Who, "Tommy"

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Re: Twenty Bank Robbers -- CLARIFICATION
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:33 PM 7/25/96 -0700, Jeremey Barrett wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Assuming "perfect" intelligence on the part of the robbers (i.e. they will > follow deterministic behavior and do the "right" thing), then here's what > must happen IMO (1 being the first guy and 20 being the last): [...] > If 2 are left (19 & 20), 19 gets all the money. So 20 will vote for whatever > 18 says, which MUST include 20 in the deal. But here we run into the paradox, that it is not in each persons self interest to pursue is self interest. Example; Suppose only two are left: Then No. 19 get everything, and No. 20 gets nothing. So if only three are left, it will maximize 20's return to vote for a proposal by number 18, that number 18 gets 19,999,999 dollars, and number 20 gets one dollar But suppose that number 20 announces in advance that he considers an unequal division morally wrong, and will always vote against any unequal division. If this threat is credible, which it is, number 18 will have no choice but to propose an equal split, so number 20 now gets 6,666,666 dollars, instead of one dollar. Now if number 20 had threatened to vote against any proposal that did not split the money equally between himself, and number 18, thus going for ten million instead of six million, this threat would be less credible, and he would very likely have wound up with one dollar. This is a particular example of the various well known paradoxes of utilitarianism, that utility is maximized by a firm and credible promise to utterly disregard utility maximization. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Game Theory and its Relevance to Cypherpunks
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Llywarch Hen wrote: > > > What Timothy May espouses is not the appearance of craziness but actual > > > insanity itself. James A. Donald wrote > > if you organize your nuclear forces so that any > > serious war is likely to escalate uncontrollably into the battle of > > armageddon, regardless of your intentions and desires, which is how > > the American government organized its nuclear forces in Europe, > > then you can pretty much guarantee you will not have to face a > > serious war. At 03:09 PM 7/27/96 -0700, Jon Leonard wrote: > This was, of course, the logic behind the alliances before World War I. > It was obviously suicidal to start a war with any of the major powers, > but it happened anyway. Your history is false: War was romantic and a big vote winner before World War I, and after World War I and before world war II the "intellectuals" were still big fans of war, just as they are still big fans of communism and socialism today, though World War I was sufficient to kick sense into most normal people. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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BOMB PLANS
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, The Sunday San Francisco Examiner had an article about how simple it is to make a pipe bomb. It was syndicated from the Dallas Morning News. In the article a "federal bomb expert" opined: They're probably one of the more common explosive devices that are encountered. That's because the pipe not only provides a container, but fragments into sharapnel." ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Now I don't know what takes to qualify one as a "bomb expert," but the standards must be pretty low. The reason hand grenades look like pineapples is because it's very difficult to get metal to fragment unless it is scored or otherwise predisposed to come apart in little pieces. What I've been told is that a pipe bomb just peals open at it's weakest place and otherwise stays in one piece. Don't know, but that's what I've heard. Makes sense to me. To put the fear of god in the readers the article dutifully chants the following mantra: Detailed instructions for making pipe bombs and other explosive devices are available for sources as varied as anti-government publications [what about GOVERNMENT publications?], pamphlets sold at gun shows and the Internet. Are we surprised? S a n d y P.S. On an odder note, the same paper had an article entitled, "Two-headed baby born in Tijuana." The article reported, "...the child (sic) had been born with two spinal columns and two heads" One of the more bizarre statements was, "It's not clear whether un-named girl--or girls--are Siamese twins." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: E-Cash promotion idea
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:15 24/07/96 -0500, Matt Carpenter wrote: >getting change from the merchant. Ian Goldberg pointed out that >with the current ecash protocol, accepting change not only eliminates your >anonymity, but that you also have to go online to make sure you aren't being >cheated. I'm sure it should be possible for the merchant to electronically give you an "IOU" for the amount of change s/he owes you, no matter how small, without loss of your anonymity. Next time you go to the same merchant, the IOU could automatically be adjusted against the new purchase. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: your favorite poison recipes
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: cjs(a)netcom.com, jimbell(a)pacifier.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sun Jul 28 21:12:49 1996 You forgot 2oz of Grand Marnier(sp). Also the Creme should be Irish. Lou Z. > While > > I recommend: > > 2oz Kahula > 2oz Vodka > 2oz Creme > > Mix this with some ice in a glass, garnish with a cherry. > > If you use Midori instead of Kahula, it turns a really cool > shade of green. > > Drink. > > If ya don't like my poison, pick ya own. =) > > Christopher > > Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMfweNstPRTNbb5z9AQEikwf/ZuyH2o7oip3C8Tt14mi5Vkc2yLhndlM8 q6m6/+AmsyaS0wrba+Dc52mPsmDLRraalYBY+IX5rFW/WRbSYoFqSrydxNr6XH7x PFRmKr2eYHy4lia2jc2CyUahfu4HXn4kr9rJdEBb2mr/LOkrZJKnrFBgORvvbxMv bHBGWILa2EgAb7fBEXNgeoJlZbyOfj296SAw/bI5dkb3R+A53DouvUi6cTF7ZgKx nfZVRbb34qwH3oi6ey6S3buZBnEHjsl6sIBCEKxkM/blVafX2XiLwN6k7nmH7ZRh AXvvoNMi8JlGJMQGqZUzyZqMm9IRd27oPT19qVITOzcuUwYryZY1+w== =VFom -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMIN
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Obviously this was someone trying to be anoying and someone that wasnt too serious.

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SET in Java
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:40:33 -0700 From: tedg(a)doppio.Eng.Sun.COM (Ted Goldstein) To: set-discuss(a)commerce.net, bjueneman(a)novell.com Subject: SET in Java Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-MD5: nhtCOgaiveb2ol2V4sPdow== Sender: owner-set-talk(a)commerce.NET Precedence: bulk +----------------------------------------------------+ Addressed to: set-discuss(a)commerce.net +----------------------------------------------------+ JavaSoft is developing a SET implementation as part of the Java Electronic Commerce Framework (http://java.sun.com/commerce) For more information, feel free to contact me. Thanks, Ted Goldstein Chief Java Commerce Officer, JavaSoft, Sun Microsystems Inc. (408) 343-1675 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message was sent by set-discuss(a)commerce.net. For a complete listing of available commands, please send mail to 'majordomo(a)commerce.net' with 'help' (no quotations) contained within the body of your message. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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