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Re: Anonymous phone calls (was: What is the EFF doing exactly?)
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:03 PM 9/7/96 CST, roy(a)scytale.com wrote: >In Minneapolis, USWest has Telecard phones everywhere, and vending >machines with bill accepters. The calls are also flat rate at $0.25. ... >Can Telecards be audited for usage? If a TLA black-bags my $25 Telecard >from my wallet, can they reconstruct what calls I made with it? Easily. They get the card number off the card, and then check their long distance records for calls made with that card number. With some cards, you can recharge the card instead of getting new ones, if for some reason you want to increase the audit trail substantially. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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TWA flight 800, surface to air missles, conspiracypunks
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Brock N. Meeks <brock(a)well.com> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)eff.org> Surface to air missles do not need to make contact to explode. They have a proximity system that explodes the missle if it gets within range. Of course, sometimes the missle does hit; there is a famous story -- documented -- of an SA-2 (an old Soviet SAM) hitting an RF-4 during Viet Nam. The missle didn't explode but stuck in the plane like a dart; the pilot flew the plane back to the airfield and was told to ditch the plane when the air traffic control noticed it stuck in his plane. -- Brock

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Re: talker
by pjb＠ny.ubs.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sure sounds like it. is it possible that there could be two such as this? -paul > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Sun Sep 8 03:04:36 1996 > X-Authentication-Warning: jekyll.piermont.com: Host perry@localhost didn't use HELO protocol > To: doom13(a)juno.com (Floyd W Odom) > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: talker > Reply-To: perry(a)piermont.com > X-Reposting-Policy: redistribute only with permission > Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 23:40:18 -0400 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Content-Length: 255 > > > Floyd W Odom writes: > > I am doom13. If there is anyone out there who is a hacker or > > would like to be one you can talk to me and find out stuff like cracking. > > Just drop a message at doom13(a)juno.com. > > Are you the same jerk who was posting a week ago? >

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:35 AM 9/9/96 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: >Stephan Schmidt wrote: > >| One thought : How many of you would support terrorist >| web server (say Oklahoma, TWA, Iran, Lybia, RAF, IRA, ...) ? > >I've given support to at least two terrorist organization, probably >closer to five in the last year. I can't see supporting one more >would do any more harm. > >Adam And I support a terrorist organization (the US Government) every year whether I want to or not. The US was convicted of a major violation of international law (akin to terrorism) in the International Court of Justice back in the '80s for air sowing mines in Nicaragua's main harbor. DCF

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CATO terrorism conference -- tomorrow @ 8:30 am, free
by declan＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More info on tomorrow's terrorism conference at CATO is at: http://www.cato.org/events/calendar.html This is especially timely given the report that the Aviation Safety and Security Commission (chaired by Gore) sent to Clinton with 20 recommendations. One is to enact "automated passenger profiling" of all domestic travellers, which would include airline access to FBI/CIA databases. This $10 million project bans anonymous air travel and, needless to say, raises significant privacy questions. -Declan >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:23:13 -0400 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: declan(a)well.com (Declan McCullagh) >From: Solveig Bernstein <sberns(a)cato.org> >Subject: Terrorism Conference > >Cato's Conference, *Combatting Terrorism, Preserving Freedom," scheduled for >Tuesday, September 10, 1996 is now > > >* FREEEEE* > >That's right, the registration fee of $50 has been WAIVED!!! > >Come listen to Nadine Strossen, Dorothy Denning, David Kopel, and many >others discuss terrorism, foreign policy, civil liberties, and the >telecommunications infrastructure. > >Please redistribute freely. > >Conference begins at 8:30 at 1000 Mass. Ave. > > >- Solveig >********************************************************************** >Solveig Bernstein, Esq. >(202) 789-5274 >(202) 842-3490 (fax) > >Assistant Director of Telecommunications & Technology Studies >Cato Institute >1000 Mass. Ave. NW >Washington, DC 20001 >

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Re: Kiddie porn on the Internet
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn wrote: > > "News" stories are now circulating on radio about child pornography on > the Internet, and how an organization called "Save The Children" is > working very hard to identify the trafficers and their accomplii. > > Save The Children is complaining that they can't find all of the dirty > dealers of kid-porn, since much of the traffic is encrypted! > > So who is Save The Children? First, since they're an international > organization raising funds in the U.S., they obviously operate at the > pleasure of the State Department. Ho hum. Remember the incidents at the > Denny's restaurant chain where Denny's was sued for discrimination > against minorities? Did it seem a little bizarre for the 1990's? I'm trying to work out just what sort of confused idea is going on here. Save the Children is an international charity that is based in the UK. It is ultra respectable, Princess Ann being its president and very active in that role (ie not merely titular). Its also a-political which it has to be for tax reasons and because otherwise the royals couldn't have anything to do with it. Their main mission is sending food to Ethiopia and other famine areas, development work etc. It is ultra-worthy stuff. I think that a more rational explanation of the Dennys case is that being weasels the Dennys management decided they needed some good PR before the judgement brought them bad PR. >*** The recievers of the porn should not be punished for the photographers >action, the same as if I would complain that someone burglarized my home becuase >i left the door open. It was their ignorance that caused their loss. Its the consumers who create a market. If someone burgals your house and I knowingly buy the stolen goods its a crime. Phill

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:49 AM 9/9/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >I don't worry overmuch about a few thousand or even a few million people >dying as a result of something we have had an influence on developing, >anymore than the developers of many technologies need to worry about how >others use their technologies. > >And the net effect of crypto anarchy is to destabilize and marginalize >central governments, which is a net positive effect. If some eggs get >broken in the process, the biological imperative will generate more eggs. >No big deal. Particularly since governments murdered 160 million in the last 100 years while we civilians have only managed to murder a paltry 20 million or fewer. A savings of 160 million deaths leaves a lot of room for a non-harmful increase in private murder. We could increase the private murder rate by 8 to 10 times and still break even. Note too that most terrorism is aimed at governments (even if practiced on civilians). In the absence of government, terrorist incentives may be reduced. DCF "I don't know if we ought to trust governments with the Net, they might use it to nuke Hiroshima or conquer Europe or something."

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L.A. Times articles, etc.
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm sure everyone is familiar with how newspaper articles are not necessarily "pure" news, i.e., they're often slanted toward a particular point of view. Go back a few years, maybe 20 or more, and look at the front page of the L.A. Times (or probably any big-city paper). Many or most news pieces written by UPI, AP, etc., now 100% are written internally. What y'all might want to think about is not just slanting and bias, but how certain people and organizations can actually *plant* a phony story on page one of a major paper like the L.A. Times. Go back a few months and check out the front-page article on real estate prices in the Calif. "Ventura Keys" area. Totally false. Story alleged that prices were "skyrocketing"; prices actually were absolutely flat, after having fallen by 35% or more in the previous couple of years. Whoever authorized this story, if they didn't get a big kickback or gain some points for some future operation, then I can't imagine why they would print such a thing. I hate to suggest anyone become more cynical than they already are, but, the front page(s) of a big-city newspaper are some of the most valuable real estate in western civilization, so do the math....

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Re: Test...sorry about this - Reply - Reply
by Barbara Gamble 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I subscribed just once, real name. Yep, the Welcome msg is ReallyTrulyFine[M]. I reallytrulyread it. High-traffic, though, is relative. In light of Z.B.'s post , I thought that maybe I , too, had a mail probem. Seriously, thanks for the info. >>> Jean-Francois Avon <jf_avon(a)citenet.net> 09/09 2:26 pm >>> On 9 Sep 96 at 11:10, Barbara Gamble wrote: > I got it too. And since I am a new subscriber, I thought it might > be the normal traffic. The Welcome msg *did* say the list is > high-traffic. Still, I was aghast--300 all at once, another 100 > just in the last hour. Is that typical? (Please forgive such a > question from a newcomer to the list.) Usually, between 35 and 100 posts a day, most of which I delete. Did you subscribe twice or three times under slightly different names (but identical e-mail adresses)? RTFine Welcome Message, it explains everything you have to know Hope you'll stay with us. Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultant physicists, technologists and engineers PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Re: Court challenge to AOL junk-mail blocks
by Will Rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >If you know a valid email address on the spammers system you can always >bounce each message back to them. If enough people turned the messages >back on them it might give them the opportunity to experience first hand >what its like to receive tons of mail you don't want or need... > Ah, but they never do. Why not? Because spammers _invariably_ forge the return addresses to keep exactly that from happening. Indeed, Cyber Promo claims it "had an understanding" with AOL that it could use AOL boxes or bogus adresses to keep bounced messages from coming back at them and crashing their server. Deliberatlely forging addresses, Cyber claims, is entirely legal. AOL says it's fraud. Interesting footnote: AOL, of course, is able to trace a lot of the spam it gets. It has sent back thousands of messages at once to Cyber which, in turn, has gotten it bumped from several ISPs once their servers crashed as a result. Tough business, huh? Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjSGvTqp6Cc7rRIJAQHCEQP/fZwhp/GTSwj9Emusgh9QFnAlafpOL2qI ces6RqwSoZfmbAmhREh836sakjS2d+mHdYK84FH7WdXWnuzMlDAPCls7OO8AU4t8 oMN7koLM3cpgwlavt/Lw8NJp3wC5OnRnrqNeunkBvNEBs8aaJ+C6isH/zrErgbt5 0QL9cYlEyq8= =EW/y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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