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Bernstein hearing reminder: THIS Friday 11:45AM, SF Federal Building
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When: Friday, September 20, 1996, 11:45AM (hearing starts at Noon) Where: Federal Building, 450 Golden Gate Avenue, San Francisco; Judge Marilyn Hall Patel's courtroom upstairs. (two blocks east of Van Ness Avenue and Golden Gate Avenue, in the Civic Center neighborhood) What: Dan Bernstein's case to declare the export controls unconstitutional will hold a hearing in which the judge will cross-examine both Dan's lawyers and the government's lawyers, to decide whether to strike down the ITAR and AECA as unconstitutional, throw out the case, or do something in between. Who: me, Dan's lawyers, NSA & State & Justice dept lawyers, the press, and as many cypherpunks and friends-of-encryption as will show up. Don't forget your costume! Formal dress is strongly recommended; you're going to court, remember! Why: To see justice in action; to hang out with your friends; to be there while cryptographic history is made; to get your picture in the Feb '97 Wired Japan. PS: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:30:29 -0700 (PDT) To: gnu(a)toad.com Subject: I've got "go ahead" from my editor From: Rika <rika(a)well.com> ... I have read about "cypherpunk dress up day" and found it a good oppotunity to let Japanese reader of Wired know about law suit and circumustance of encription exporting, as well as actual activity of cypherpunk people. So far, "cypherpunk" is more like just a image/notion than actual living people to Japanese. If I can take a couple of group pictures after the court, I can develop an article for their Feb '97 issue. I hope it is ok with you and lots of lots of people show up this friday! Rika ... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ $B3^86(J $BMx9a(J $B")(J183 $BEl5~ETI\Cf;TGr;eBf#6(J-13-13 Rika Kasahara POBox 25427, Los Angeles, CA 90025 Voice:+1-310-478-0653 Fax :+1-310-478-0493

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Re: Workers Paradise. /Political rant.
by craigw＠dg.ce.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>And this? Mr. Green hardly advocated an authortarian regime, quite the >contrary, he simply advocated one which refused to hand out money to every >outstretched hand. and the hands are usually those of a forgein government anyway...not the "starving masses". Not only is the money I pay as tax be used for funding the country I am in...but also the military in others. > In article <Pine.3.89.9609152124.A20702-0100000@netcom9>, > Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Dale Thorn wrote: > > > Just a comment: "The world population really should go back to around > > > one billion", etc. And how could we achieve that without severe govt. > > > oppression, one wonders? > > > > Quite simple. End all food and medical aid to developing countries paid > > for with money stolen at gunpoint from our citizens. Or make Norplant > > implants the condition for financial/in kind aid. Both US and > > abroad. > >And this? Mr. Green hardly advocated an authortarian regime, quite the >contrary, he simply advocated one which refused to hand out money to every >outstretched hand. ,'~``. \|/ ,'``~. (-o=o-) (@ @) ,(-o=o-), +--.oooO--(_)--Ooo-----oOO-(_)-OOo-------oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ | | | Soon, we may all be staring at our computers, wondering | | whether they're staring back. | | | | [Network Admin For WPA Business Products. aka doshai >;-) ] | | .oooO http://pip.com.au/~doshai/ Oooo. | | ( ) Oooo. .oooO ( ) | +-----\ (----( )-------oooO-Oooo--------( )--- ) /---------+ \_) ) / \ ( (_/ (_/ \_) Key fingerprint = 2D F4 54 BB B4 EA F1 E7 B6 DE 48 92 FC 8D FF 49 Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key. (if I want to give it to you)

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no internet gambling
by Jüri Kaljundi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From todays Baltic News Service newswire (my free translation): According to the ministry of finance of Estonia, they will not give any licences or permission to organize Internet gambling or lotteries in Estonia. The reason given was, that arranging lotteries on the Internet would take the activity outside from Estonia. According to the news, the only Internet gambling licences given out are in Liechtenstein and Ahvenamaa (part of Finland). My question is: how easy it is to get a licence for Internet casino in either Liechtenstein or some off-shore country (Belize, Bahamas etc) ? I believe Belize was one of the first to sign legislation on Internet gambling, does anyone have more information about the costs and requirements? Jüri Kaljundi AS Stallion jk(a)stallion.ee

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German providers continue to censor XS4ALL network
by Felipe Rodriquez 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Released by: XS4ALL Internet BV Date : 17-september-1996 Author : Felipe Rodriquez (felipe(a)xs4all.nl) *** PRESS RELEASE *** GERMAN PROVIDERS CONTINUE TO CENSOR XS4ALL NETWORK German providers have continued their ip-filtering actions against dutch provider XS4ALL. These ip-filtering actions where started after the German Authorities ordered the providers to block access to a specific document on the XS4ALL website. The document is not illegal in Holland, and is the property of one of XS4ALL's customers. So far German authorities have not contacted XS4ALL, no official requests where made to remove these documents from our server. Xs4all customers are prevented from communicating with German internetusers, because Email is not passed through a number of German internet routers. Xs4all customers are prevented from accessing German websites. Therefore German providers, particularily EUnet Germany GmbH, are violating article 10 of European Convention on Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information an ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers." They are preventing our Xs4all subscribers to execute their rights of free expression. Some of our customers have terminated their account at Xs4all, because of these restrictions, that were imposed by German providers, after an order from the German government. These restrictions have caused a major disruption on the business interests of XS4ALL Internet BV.

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Re: [Long] A history of Netscape/MSIE problems
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In case anyone's interested, I've finally found the source I used for the claim that RC2/RC4 were exportable if the details were kept quiet: "Details about them [RC2 and RC4] have not been published (including by patenting) in order to maintain their special export status". -- RSA FAQ, version 1.0, draft 1e, 14 September 1992, p.40. This makes sense - the NSA wouldn't want the details published to stop non-US non-crippled versions appearing, and I can't really imagine RSADSI volutarily not patenting a new algorithm. Peter.

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radikal update 17-9-1996
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

URL of the main radikal-site has changed: ********************************* * http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal * ********************************* We need more mirrors to stop Germany censoring the radikal and the internet. As you can see, free speach is not a gift, but something you have to fight for. Join the struggle ! If you got a mirror up and running let it know. Send your url to: tank(a)xs4all.nl *********************************************************************** ** Radikal Mirrors ** ** *********************************************************************** Receive Radikal 154 by email: Send a empty message to radikal(a)xs4all.nl and you receive issue 154 by mail. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Read the radikal by calling the netherlands (25 numbers). All telefonnr. are listed at the end of this mail. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Download the radikal archive: http: http://www.xs4all.nl/~bslash/radikal.tar.gz Radikal-site unix http://www.xs4all.nl/~bslash/radi.zip Radikal-site dos-zip archive ftp: ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl/pub/replay/pub/incoming Radikal 154 in plaintext ASCII http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal/radi154.tgz Radikal 154 unix http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal/radi154.zip Radikal 154 dos-zip If you got your mirror up and running let us know +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Special mirror: de.soc.zensur de.org.politik.spd http://www.altavista.digital.com usenet-search for radikal.zip +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Radikal-sites: 1.http://www.xs4all.nl/~radikal 2.http://burn.ucsd.edu/%7Eats/RADIKAL/ Arm the Spirit statement "Radikal Mirror Site At ATS WWW Page" 3.http://www.jca.or.jp/~taratta/mirror/radikal/ 4.http://www.serve.com/~spg/ 5.http://huizen.dds.nl/~radikal 6.http://www.canucksoup.net/radikal/index.html 7.http://www.ecn.org/radikal 8.http://www.well.com/~declan/mirrors/ 9.http://www.connix.com/~harry/radikal/index.htm 10.http://www.ganesa.com/radikal/ 11.http://www.denhaag.org/~radikal 12.http://www.knooppunt.be/~daniel/radikal 13.http://emma.unm.edu/radikal 14.http://www.tacacs.com/radikal/" 15.http://www.dsvenlo.nl/~vvd/radikal/ 16.http://www.why.net/home/static/radi 17.http://users.abcs.com/dockmstr/mirror/radikal/index.htm 18.http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeroenw/radikal/ 19.http://home.ipr.nl/~radikal/ 20.http://www.dreamy.demon.co.uk/occam/ 21.http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/live_free/ 22.http://zero.tolerance.org/radi/index.htm 23.http://www.meaning.com/library/radikal/ 24.http://www.xs4all.nl/~irmed/radikal/ 25.http://www.walli.uwasa.fi/~tviemero/radikal 26.http://www.sko.it/~sfede/radi/index.htm 27.http://www.bart.nl/~sz/index.html 28.http://bellp.med.yale.edu/index.htm 29.http://www.euronet.nl/users/funest/radi/index.htm 30.http://fine.com/~rsr/radikal 31.http://www.lab.net/radikal 32.http://www.charm.net/~gbarren/radikal 33.http://login.datashopper.dk/~pethern/radikal/ 34.http://www.interlaw.com 35.http://hyperreal.com/~rich/radikal/index.html 36.http://www.citinv.it/iniziative/info/radikal/ Phone: Call and login as "new". So first dail the international number +31 (hollands international code) and than one of these numbers. Amsterdam Zoetermeer Maarssen 020 5350535, V.34 079 3611011, V.34 0346 550455, V.34 020 4223422, UUCP 079 3600800, ISDN PPP 0346 553613, ISDN PPP 020 6265060, ZyXEL 079 3630569, ISDN X.75 0346 555285, ISDN X.75 020 4229700, ISDN PPP 020 4206782, ISDN X.75 Hoorn Geleen Leeuwarden 0229 212177, V.34 046 4789478, V.34 058 2157815, V.34 0229 219717, ISDN PPP 046 4230555, ISDN PPP 058 2130910, ISDN PPP Goes Assen 0113 252900, V.34 0592 331531, V.34 0113 270110, ISDN PPP 0592 331278, ISDN PPP Willemstad Deurne 0168 472472, V.34 0493 323344, V.34 0168 476472, ISDN PPP 0493 351566, ISDN PPP

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RE: Workers Paradise. /Political rant.
by Dustbin Freedom Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: >> By spreading the risk you minimize the cost. <...> >Canada has a single payer system Translation: a more palatable term for "socialised medicine" >and we spend about two thirds as much as the >U.S. on health care as a percentage of G.N.P. We manage to insure all Canadians >while about 35% of people in the U.S. have *no* health insurance. So why in the world do those crazy Canadians keep coming here for medical care, when they can get it from your compassionate bureaucrats? What could be their compulsion to spend money they don't need to spend? Charitable impulses toward our impoverished medical profession? BTW, looking at historical costs of medical care and the level of government involvement, it is safe to say that the US has too much socialism in our medical system right now, and that it what's making the best system (ours) so expensive when it would not be otherwise. >Yes, the insurance premium is not optional. True. >Yes, it *is* cheaper. *False.* It is cheaper for _SOME_, and more expensive for others (in terms of either money, or waiting with pain, or both) and has an _ultimately high cost [the death penalty] for still others, who are forced to wait for the "compassionate" bureaucrats [who naturally know more about what patients' bodies need than the patients do themselves] to give them permission to get medical care they would otherwise purchase before death.

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Re: Assassination Politics, was Kiddie porn on the Internet
by Michelle Thompson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: kwheeler(a)intellinet.com >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:54:35 -0500 >X-Sender: kwheeler(a)intellinet.com >To: Michelle Thompson <mthompso> >Subject: Re: Assassination Politics, was Kiddie porn on the Internet Interesting information from a friend of mine- >An american can not serve for pay for a position in another military >that could be filled by local populace. I may have my jurisdiction >wrong tho, this could be an international law not a US law. >Basically, you can't go be a grunt or an assasin in another country, >because they can find their own, but one can, however, fly P-40 Warhawks for >China in 1941 because there were no chinese planes/pilots. Guys from soldier >of fortune (tho they do volunteer work) could be hired as 'experts' at >whatever, removing mines, etc... It's very touchy. But, the worst thing about >it all, is that the geneva convention doesn't protect mercenaries....so awful >things could be done to them, and the world wouldn't see that as war crimes. > >-Keith I believe that with the breakdown of the traditional sense of sovereignty, mercenary activity, whether military or commercial in nature, will increase. Engineering seems to be quite mercenary already, and very international. Marketing and advertising, to a novice (me), seem to be going the same way. Hence my interest in cryptography. Data security is essential in international engineering projects. Michelle Thompson

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RE: Risk v. Charity (was: RE: Workers Paradise. /Politica...
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: RE: Risk v. Charity (was: RE: Workers Paradise. /Political rant) Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> >On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: >> Specifically, that anyone can "save for a rainy day" and still not be >> able to provide for events that can always happen: Heart attack, >> stroke, car accident, pinched nerve that leaves you in excruciating >> pain and unable to work for several years. > >Understand what it is you are saying. > >You are saying that everyone on the planet has a right to health > insurance and disability insurance whether they can afford it or not. > This is folly. The result is serious moral hazard problems. Almost, but not quite. I'm saying that within our two countries at least (Canada, U.S.) everyone could have access to medically necessary procedures because the *society as a whole* can afford it. I understand moral hazard and risk pool seperation. I also understand that the insurance bureacracy required to manage much of the U.S. health care system absorbs much of the money going into the system. Managing risk pool seperation proves to be expensive, or perhaps just very profitable. > Social safety nets prevent rioting by the lower classes, revolution and > general civil disorder because they appease the masses. Indeed this > is a form of health and life insurance for the middle and upper classes. Absolutely. And it is a scheme that many of the lower classes pay into. Since it is to our mutual benefit (yours and mine), I choose not complain about it. > Spreading the risk, by itself, does NOT reduce cost. > You must properly PRICE risk. Agreed. But there is a balance between accurately pricing the risk and minimizing the cost of the bureacracy that polices this pricing. There are also many ways to modify behaviour, not all of them direct. We only need a correlation here, not causation. For example, high taxes on smoking and drinking or spot checks for drunk driving. All of these correlate with a reduction in high risk behaviour and a reduction in health costs. Yes, there are people who will engage in high risk behaviour. Yes, they will still receive treatment. No, it is not worth tracking down all of these people. You may also get better privacy because no insurance company is collecting personal data in order to minimize their risk. A Suspicious Persons List is only one manifestation of this type of intrusion. This privacy issue may only increase as genetic screening becomes widespread. There is much potential for moral hazard when the PRICE for your insurance is affected by the accuracy of your disclosure. How will they ever know... Fact: Canada spends less than the U.S. per capita on health care, while covering more people in percentage terms. Ciao, James, qui pete les bretelles du Canada. And he brought the present unto Eglon king of Moab: and Eglon was a very fat man. [Judges 3:17] "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson

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Re: Workers Paradise. /Political rant.
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) writes: > > Crypto Anarchy means getting rid of deadwood the old-fashioned way. > > Starting with the lying old fart himself. The Vilus bot is at it again, I suggest a 2 line cypherpunks FAQ along the following lines: Q> What do it do when I join the list? A> Killfile *(a)bwalk.dm.net Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3ia mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az6JAJUDBRAy NwfvNkCBjDT0xHEBATQPA/9TORmN/UjNecj03q4anpvdyCLiez5sKuNbnYK50RiP Jj4QpWWvST3smyQ0A86DrZY/re056MXwQmARESx0rFZxdnD0oORICl5r8dJLIy3b j8rbA5olXwZwKz73/X5s13v/pvHYX4cIsbVK8NHXqh5llSKt6TBAuGgkIGF29z5k C4kAlQMFEDI3B9mdtf/umVkv7QEBcRYD/1FBteLqsUmr81euxqqnnrpLlyHb58B/ 9sdATuua4uSjX46hXDZ264YozspNrzSB4NEdrmXOWVX3fiE0ga6XkSSkIeF23V90 En37Z0BdbFzgF00FRYTFyTq8eezQrdg/+rBPUsZUmG5wpq3e12FKHQsX01i+1mB2 YmqqwCV5e95eiQCVAgUQMh8uSb5OPIRbv66xAQEqJwP/fxQyiCasjFcbDpsFfsYp put5cCC/9pOx6X3DlbKShPMpUOS+A9HsTEmJQN8Iawv1nSwPdtc2cR/GhW6ilVjW LSloGdMVLabm9pGpZZMkRaZlXFUkOv7VhfgsUiL+vIDryBCAwUZCzQiWycjt/cPi mUqFH41Z7NkyO8ZFdi5GGX0= =CMZA -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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