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Re: Put up or shut up!
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:22 PM 10/6/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: > It turns out that I would save nothing in taxes by moving some of my liquid > assets to some particular coral atoll. (Unless I lie on my 1040, which is > always an option.) Hmmmm.... --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Can somebody unsubscribe cyberpromo from CP?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:43 PM 10/7/96 -0400, Simon Spero wrote: >On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Timothy C. May wrote: > >> At 10:23 AM -0800 10/7/96, jim bell wrote: >> >I think somebody subscribed that Cyberpromo organization to the Cypherpunks >> >list. It needs to be unsubscribed... >> >> "I have a solution." >> > >[Looks through pockets] - 7 Zlotys, 1.5 DM, and 1.20 GBP says October >21st, in the library, bludgeoning to death with 20lbs of junk mail Your code name is "Col. Mustard." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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What's the deal with EUB.com?
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are two servers that EUB.com uses. 1> That provides information and blurbs and pretty pictures. This is near D.C. 2> That provides secure connections to the bank for account information and transactions. This is in the islands. Again, this was adopted to get around expensive bandwidth uses by idle and casual browsers. I believe, though I am not sure, that I mentioned this when EUB first "went net." -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li

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Re: Can somebody unsubscribe cyberpromo from CP?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:43 PM 10/7/96 -0400, Simon Spero <ses(a)tipper.oit.unc.edu> wrote: >> >I think somebody subscribed that Cyberpromo organization to the Cypherpunks >> >list. It needs to be unsubscribed... >> >> "I have a solution." >[Looks through pockets] - 7 Zlotys, 1.5 DM, and 1.20 GBP says October >21st, in the library, bludgeoning to death with 20lbs of junk mail I tend to prefer 16-ton weights, myself.... "Safe!" >If I can get my key back, it's Key Recovery >If you can get my key back, it's Key Escrow If I can get my key back, it's a Spare Copy I Stashed Somewhere. If you can get my key back, it's Wimpy Encryption. If you've already got my key, it's Key Escrow. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk Imagine if three million people voted for somebody they _knew_, and the politicians had to count them all.

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Re: Voice Stress Analysis of Debates? [NOISE]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As far as the technical issue, can you use digital signal processing to insert/delete the features that the VSE is looking for? Sure, if you know what the VSE product is looking for. (And you can crank up the bass while you're at it.) Doesn't matter if you call it microtremors, it's a characteristic well-defined enough that an $89.95 retail hardware device can detect, so it's a characteristic you've got a not-terribly-complex model for. If all the popular VSEs use the same algorithm, or if you know what brand the TV Networks were convinced to use, you're fine. (If you don't know, that makes it tougher, but you can experiment....) Or you can distribute a cheap software-based VSE program, with hooks that let you feed it "Truth" or "Lying" overrides :-) At 11:28 AM 10/7/96 -0800, jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> wrote: >I think it's particularly revealing that the TV networks don't try to use >it. They're supposed to be looking for an edge, something to make the news >seem more interesting. The political establishment would see the >publicizing of this as going beyond an unwritten limitation on the media. I've never seen the TV networks use handwriting analysis to spice up their news reporting either, and the only "news" shows I've only seen mention people's astrological signs were the Entertainment-Tonight types. (I'd rate VSE as slightly more scientific than graphology, and both of them somewhat above palm-reading and astrology, and a bit below polygraphs.*) They get more market asking what kind of underwear the candidates wear. Besides, what would they do with it - subtitles "He's Lying" or "He Seems To _Believe_ This Nonsense?" or "He Doesn't Really Care What The Teleprompter's Telling Him To Say"? You'd need to leave at least one of them on during the whole Bipartisan Establishment Debate**, and you don't need any piece of hokey machinery to If they actually _wanted_ to make the shows more interesting, the networks could have reporters ask the candidates real questions. But they wouldn't get invited back next election.... And if they ask questions like "How could you possibly expect us to believe _that_, Mr. President?"***, they'd get thrown out immediately. [*VSE and Graphology have some chance of a causal basis, though polygraphs have the extra advantage that the people administering them get to intimidate the victim while doing the test, which is more likely to get results than running VSE on a speech somebody's practiced and is reading off a teleprompter, even if interpretation of both weren't pretty much subjective anyway.] [**And they'd have to interlace the subtitles with the fnords.] [***Did you ever notice how much George Bush _sneered_ when he was lying? Clinton's polite enough to smile when he's talking.] # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk Imagine if three million people voted for somebody they _knew_, and the politicians had to count them all.

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Re: Put up or shut up! (fwd)
by William Knowles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Mr Unicorn replies to what snow wrote: > > Mr. Unicorn wrote: > > > I suggest that you just walk into a bank in Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, > > > perhaps in Switzerland and compare the experience to doing the same in the > > > United States. It may be a bother to get to a real bank, but the > > > difference in service, attitude, and skill can be substantial. > > > You get what you pay for in sweat too. > > > > Yeah, but the walk to the bank in Liechtenstein is a real bitch in > > winter. > > You get what you pay for. I thought I said that? > Many banks open accounts by mail. I tend to recommend against this > because I think it's important to face to face with your bankers. Being that I totally agree that you get what you pay for in banking, and have had the opportunity of using a small private bank for business some time ago. What would be your list of best offshore banks to do business with, Keeping in mind the ease of opening an account but still getting top notch service? Bank of Ireland??? Cheers! William Knowles erehwon(a)c2.net -- William Knowles <erehwon(a)c2.net> PGP mail welcome & prefered / KeyID 1024/2C34BCF9 PGP Fingerprint 55 0C 78 3C C9 C4 44 DE 5A 3C B4 60 9C 00 FB BD Finger for public key -- Vote Harry Browne for President -- http://www.HarryBrowne96.org

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Re: Missionaries (was: "Mormon Asshole?" re: GAK)
by craigw＠dg.ce.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > that statement is profound in more ways that in religion! why > > would any rational individual espouse ANY cause he thought was > > wrong! > > For the money. > for sex, prestige, because no matter how rational most of us have times we do not think first.... The list is endless Craig ,'~``. \|/ ,'``~. (-o=o-) (@ @) ,(-o=o-), +--.oooO--(_)--Ooo-----oOO-(_)-OOo-------oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ | | | Soon, we may all be staring at our computers, wondering | | whether they're staring back. | | | | [Network Admin For WPA Business Products. aka doshai >;-) ] | | .oooO http://pip.com.au/~doshai/ Oooo. | | ( ) Oooo. .oooO ( ) | +-----\ (----( )-------oooO-Oooo--------( )--- ) /---------+ \_) ) / \ ( (_/ (_/ \_) Key fingerprint = 2D F4 54 BB B4 EA F1 E7 B6 DE 48 92 FC 8D FF 49 Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key. (if I want to give it to you)

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(fwd) RSA on GAK
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

RSA Optimistic on User Benefits of Administration's Recent Key Recovery Initiative Announcement; Further policy change required for U.S. vendors to be competitive worldwide Source: Business Wire REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE) via Individual Inc. -- RSA Data Security Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Security Dynamics Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ:SDTI), issued the following comments on the administration's recent announcement of a Key Recovery Initiative: The administration's proposed Key Recovery Initiative is a positive step towards meeting the needs of individuals and organizations that buy and use products which utilize encryption. However, the proposal leaves significant competitive issues unresolved for suppliers who compete overseas. Modern encryption and authentication technologies are crucial to the growth of electronic commerce and the health of the future global electronic economy. The continued leadership of American computer and software firms in the world market depends on their ability to provide competitive solutions for consumers and businesses around the world. These consumers and businesses depend increasingly on encryption and authentication technologies -- such as those developed at RSA -- to provide solutions that protect the privacy of consumer purchases, personal medical information, sensitive corporate data, and electronic commerce and funds transfers as they travel over the global Internet. U.S. government agencies, however, have long insisted that they must have potential access to all encrypted information for law enforcement purposes, and have advanced several proposals toward those ends. To date, these proposals have met with little support from the user and vendor communities due to concerns about privacy and competitiveness. This new proposal from the administration, however, is a move in the right direction for users. One positive step is that the administration has indicated, for the first time in over six years of discussion, that it will lift all key size restrictions on the export of products which utilize cryptography, provided that manufacturers provide a viable means of key recovery for legitimate government access. In addition, under the administration's proposal, industry, not government, will develop and propose the actual key recovery mechanisms. This will result in more effective solutions to managing and recovering keys. Finally, the proposal addresses the concerns of users that any third party designated to hold user keys might improperly disclose those keys, thereby compromising a user's right to privacy. The administration has agreed that under certain circumstances, organizations would be allowed to "self-escrow" their own encryption keys. RSA is confident that industry can develop and gain approval for several excellent key recovery mechanisms that would be acceptable to government concerns. In fact, RSA has been a pioneer in this field with our RSA Emergency Access technology in its award-winning RSA SecurPC product. In the case of SecurPC, companies using the product can use Emergency Access keys with RSA's unique secret-splitting technology to gain access to critical information in the event of an emergency. The recently announced Key Recovery Alliance, of which RSA is a part, is chartered to provide a flexible, workable solution for users working within the government's proposed key recovery framework. Members of the group are working on technology which will allow users to maintain the privacy of their keys while allowing legitimate business or law enforcement authorities to recover keys when appropriate. It will also address challenges that arise when a user must comply with the differing encryption policies in countries around the world. The technology could allow products to provide the flexibility a user needs to take full advantage of the maximum privacy allowed in their locality, while maintaining interoperability and information exchange with other users regardless of location. It is not clear, however, to what extent the administration's proposal provides relief to U.S. software and hardware companies who must compete with foreign suppliers. These foreign suppliers, not subject to U.S. law, can provide strong, non-key-recovery encryption in their products. Today, most major computer and software solutions firms derive significant revenues from outside the United States. The government's proposal, while satisfying the U.S. government's needs, does little to enhance the competitiveness of American products overseas. Robust encryption products are already available from many overseas suppliers, and U.S. market share in encryption-enabled products is under siege. Under this proposal, it appears that U.S. companies will still be prohibited from selling non-key-recovery encryption solutions in overseas markets, creating a significant barrier to their competitiveness. RSA looks forward to additional announcements by the administration that specifically address this issue and provide competitive relief for the U.S. computer software and hardware industries. RSA Data Security Inc. RSA Data Security Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Security Dynamics Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ:SDTI), is the world's brand name for cryptography, with more than 75 million copies of RSA encryption and authentication technologies installed and in use worldwide. RSA technologies are part of existing and proposed standards for the Internet and World Wide Web, ITU, ISO, ANSI, IEEE, and business, financial and electronic commerce networks around the globe. The company develops and markets platform-independent developer's kits and end-user products and provides comprehensive cryptographic consulting services. Founded in 1982 by the inventors of the RSA Public Key Cryptosystem, the company is headquartered in Redwood City. Note to Editors: RSA Emergency Access, RSA SecurPC, BSAFE and TIPEM are trademarks of RSA Data Security Inc. All other product and brand names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective companies. CONTACT: For RSA Data Security Inc. | Patrick Corman, 415/326-9648 | corman(a)cerfnet.com [10-04-96 at 08:17 EDT, Business Wire] Contact: Business Wire

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ABC Newz on Dole Homepage
by Censored Girls Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ABC Newz has run the crack of the dolekemp page. However, even they have the story wrong, too! No wonder crypto stories are sometimes better off not reported. CarolAnne Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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RE: WINDOWS NT ????
by craigw＠dg.ce.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The machine CAN have a floppy...but it must NOT be bootable. If the floppy is able to be used to boot, than it is not C2 complient. Remember C2 is not out of the box. Being C2 certified means that the machine can be MADE to fulfil orange book requirements, not that it is automatically secure. A machine can have a floppy, but it must than subsequently be removed or unable to be booted before it is C2. This is not just floppies, but CD Rom drives etc as well. It must be configured to boot from ONLY the secured devices Craig > > Now. They used to claim C2 for a machine w/floppies. Now they don't. > ,'~``. \|/ ,'``~. (-o=o-) (@ @) ,(-o=o-), +--.oooO--(_)--Ooo-----oOO-(_)-OOo-------oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ | | | Soon, we may all be staring at our computers, wondering | | whether they're staring back. | | | | [Network Admin For WPA Business Products. aka doshai >;-) ] | | .oooO http://pip.com.au/~doshai/ Oooo. | | ( ) Oooo. .oooO ( ) | +-----\ (----( )-------oooO-Oooo--------( )--- ) /---------+ \_) ) / \ ( (_/ (_/ \_) Key fingerprint = 2D F4 54 BB B4 EA F1 E7 B6 DE 48 92 FC 8D FF 49 Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key. (if I want to give it to you)

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