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Is "alt.cypherpunks" the best choice?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: alt.cypherpunks) At 2:49 PM -0600 2/12/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >It is too late to stop alt.cypherpunks, but if I had to make a >prediction again, I would predict that soon posters will BEG to help >them create comp.*.cypherpunks, because of spam and alt.flamage. Perhaps some will, but I've been a reader of many alt groups for many years, and have not found them to be unusable. Alt.religion.scientology, for example, has been a robust forum for discussion (and argument, of course!) about Scientology. My fear about using a "well respected" name is that the usual calls for moderation may end up with it being moderated! And the well respected domains are often plagued with threats by various participants that _others_ are being "off topic," with threats to send letters to sysadmins advising them that one of their users is debating an off-topic subject. I have a fair amount of respect for Igor, so my comments here should not be taken the wrong way. To wit, I recall that shortly after the "moderation" thing began on Cypherpunks(a)toad.com, Igor called for Sandy to start blocking "libertarian rants" and "crypto anarchy" discussions, apparently feeling these are not proper Cypherpunks topics. It could be that a "sci.crypt.cypherpunks" group, for example, would result in pressures on sysadmins to discipline those who post "off topic" things. (Again, I'm not saying Igor himself would do this. But there would be a temptation for some to do so.) For me, I can easily scan even a high volume group like alt.religion.scientology for threads of interest (I use "NewsWatcher YA," a good Mac-based threaded newsreader, with even support for anonymous remailers built in). If I can read a.r.s., I can read a.cp without any trouble. It works for me. --Tim May -- Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: New group
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Paul Bradley wrote: > > Well despite the obvious problems of propogation I thought it was time > > someone actually did something to get us a new home, even if it`s only > > temporary. So I have created alt.cypherpunks... See you all over on > > usenet!... > I pressed the URL alt.cypherpunks and my Netscape server said > "no such thing" or words to that effect. The control message may take a few more hours to propogate, either that or your newsadmin has rmgrouped it. The charter was clear and concise and explained the issues so I don`t see why it should have been rmgrouped. Can you mail me if it hasn`t been created by the time you get this email and I`ll re-issue the cmsg. However, I`m sure it was OK as Robert Hettinga (sp?) found it on his news server today... Seeya Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: List for discussing many majordomos
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:46 PM -0800 2/11/97, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 06:59 PM 2/11/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > >>We can coordinate our efforts. Actually, we can even have a mini >>mailing list for people who want to participate in the distributed >>cypherpunks experiment. If there is any interest, I can create such >>a list. > >Yes, this is a good idea. One of the proponents of the "many majordomos" >project apparently has plans to impose his own ideas about intellectual >property on the project, and this seems like a pretty serious thing for a >setup that's allegedly going to prevent censorship. We need a place to >discuss this. I've noticed the same thing, and this is part of why I'm so skeptical of the "many majordomos" notion. Some of the proponents have their own notions of who is fit to be in their system, and which topics are appropriate. If alt.cypherpunks gets wide propagation, I expect that'll be where I post the bulk of my stuff. By the way, several people have stepped forward to offer to host "the list" (?) on their Linux boxes, or spare CPU cycles they have somewhere. It's important that such offers be weighed carefully in terms of how serious the commitment is, and how long the service might last. (For you old-timers, we wouldn't want to have a repeat of the situation where a remailer went down because "I took my laptop with me on vacation to Spain.") --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Spamming the list
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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CAPI 2.0 beta!
by anand abhyankar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi guys, anybody used the Microsoft CAPI 2.0? anand....

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Re: META: Censorship is Going Way too Far
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And I was very surprized to see this posting in the flames trash can!! Tim is just calling the Cypherpunks to task. Tim, what have you done to deserve such treatment? What agenda is it that makes it seem as if the machine hosting this mailing list will be in the wrong hands? Like the shadow government? Sorry they are giving you the Dr. V. treatment! >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Feb 11 05:57:27 1997 >Fellow Cypherpunks (of the virtual community, even if not part of any >particular version of the list(s)), Articles are dated: > >* 2/7/97, 1:46 p.m. PST > >* 2/7/97, 1:59 p.m., PST > >* 2/7/97, 3:03 p.m., PST > >* 2/7/97, 9:46 p.m., PST otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Network of majordomos (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:33:03 -0800 > From: Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> > Subject: Re: Network of majordomos (fwd) > Yes, I installed INN and ran a few hundred test messages through it last > night. My machine will be on the net full-time Thursday or Friday. Will yours > be ready then, too? The mailing list was ready yesterday. Currently I have about a dozen subscribers who are testing it. Igor has his list up and I expect that we will begin the cross-subscription process on Saturday or Sunday. I sent a 'who is here' message to cypherpunks-hosts(a)algebra.com and have not received any replies. > If you need some help setting it up, let me know. It can be a little tricky > if you haven't done it before. Thanks, I'll factor that into my equation. I, however won't be acting as a mail-to-news gateway at this point. What I would like to see would be a news site which sent a copy of each incoming message to a mailing list and would have an email address where each new submission to the mailing list would get sent to. To make it really interesting would be to use two seperate remailers, one for each traffic path. Had you thought of taking your news that far? Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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alt.cypherpunks created
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to DejaNews, Mike Duvos has also issued a newgroup for alt.cypherpunks: >Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.cypherpunks >From: mpd(a)netcom.com (Mike Duvos) >Date: 1997/02/11 >Message-Id: <mpdE5GMA8.ABH(a)netcom.com> >Sender: mpd(a)netcom12.netcom.com >Control: newgroup alt.cypherpunks >Organization: Netcom On-Line Services >Newsgroups: alt.cypherpunks > > > >alt.cypherpunks is an unmoderated newsgroup, needed as a replacement >for the high volume Cypherpunks mailing list, which is being evicted >from its longtime home at toad.com due to creative differences with >the site owner, John Gilmore. > >For your newsgroups file: > >alt.cypherpunks Technological defenses for privacy > >Some background on Cypherpunks, snipped from the mailing list welcome >message, follows... > >Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. >Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for >themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, >faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. >Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for >centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. >Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their >experiences or their opinions. > >The most important means to the defense of privacy is encryption. To >encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy. But to encrypt with weak >cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for privacy. Cypherpunks >hope that all people desiring privacy will learn how best to defend it. > >Cypherpunks are therefore devoted to cryptography. Cypherpunks wish to >learn about it, to teach it, to implement it, and to make more of it. >Cypherpunks know that cryptographic protocols make social structures. >Cypherpunks know how to attack a system and how to defend it. Cypherpunks >know just how hard it is to make good cryptosystems. > >Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key >cryptography. They love to play with anonymous and pseudonymous mail >forwarding and delivery. They love to play with DC-nets. They love to >play with secure communications of all kinds. > >Cypherpunks write code. They know that someone has to write code to >defend privacy, and since it's their privacy, they're going to write it. >Cypherpunks publish their code so that their fellow cypherpunks may >practice and play with it. Cypherpunks realize that security is not built >in a day and are patient with incremental progress. > >Cypherpunks don't care if you don't like the software they write. >Cypherpunks know that software can't be destroyed. Cypherpunks know that >a widely dispersed system can't be shut down. > >Cypherpunks will make the networks safe for privacy. > >-- > Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ > mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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CAPI 2.0 beta!
by anand abhyankar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi guys, anybody used the Microsoft CAPI 2.0? anand....

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Re: META: Censorship is Going Way too Far
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And I was very surprized to see this posting in the flames trash can!! Tim is just calling the Cypherpunks to task. Tim, what have you done to deserve such treatment? What agenda is it that makes it seem as if the machine hosting this mailing list will be in the wrong hands? Like the shadow government? Sorry they are giving you the Dr. V. treatment! >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Feb 11 05:57:27 1997 >Fellow Cypherpunks (of the virtual community, even if not part of any >particular version of the list(s)), Articles are dated: > >* 2/7/97, 1:46 p.m. PST > >* 2/7/97, 1:59 p.m., PST > >* 2/7/97, 3:03 p.m., PST > >* 2/7/97, 9:46 p.m., PST otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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