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- 130025 discussions
[Politech] Anti-drug attorney's critique of police using "drug dogs" to invade privacy [priv[
by Declan McCullagh 05 Jul '18
by Declan McCullagh 05 Jul '18
05 Jul '18
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Drug dogs curbed by state supreme court after US supreme court
let dogs out
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:12:52 -0500
From: rex <rexy(a)ij.net>
To: <lawyer(a)rexcurry.net>
Florida's Supreme Court let stand restrictions on drug dogs, after the U.S.
Supreme Court loosened leashes. http://rexcurry.net/drugdogsmain.html The
nation's top court let cops take dogs fishing for drugs in Illinois v
Caballes. Florida allows other avenues for relief in Florida v Matheson
http://rexcurry.net/drugdogsflorida.pdf (3-3-05) and the very libertarian
decision at http://rexcurry.net/drugdogs2dca.pdf (the appellate case
below).
I am the attorney who argued the original motion to suppress for Matheson.
Drug dogs are covers for lies. Here's how -
1. Cops tell drivers that they should consent to a search of their car
because radio dispatch "has a drug dog on the way over." It is often a lie
told to induce drivers to consent to search. There is no dog on the way.
2. If a dog is or is not "on the way," cops add additional lies to make
drivers think that there will be a long wait and that the driver must stay
until a dog arrives. Cops rely on driver ignorance of the fact that
evidence will be suppressed if drivers are detained longer than it takes to
complete the traffic stop (e.g. write the ticket). Drivers are induced to
consent to search to avoid a long wait based on lies.
3. If a dog is enroute, cops let drivers think that they are obliged to
stay
even when the cop has no reason to detain drivers any longer. The cop's
rationalization is that drivers loiter roadside with cops for no apparent
reason or because drivers enjoy waiting for dog sniffs. Cops take advantage
of drivers who are too stupid (or too meek) to ask if they are free to go,
so that drivers "consent" to unwarranted detention by not leaving.
4. Cops lie about how long it is taking to write a ticket or to obtain a
radio response on a driver's license or tag check. If a dog is actually on
the way, the cops will make sure that the ticket is written very slowly,
until the dog arrives.
5. After the dog arrives, cops will lie and say that the dog alerted, even
if it didn't. In that sense, it doesn't matter whether or not dogs are
well-trained or accurate, because dogs are often ruses for lies to violate
constitutional rights.
6. If a dog alerts and nothing is found, then cops will never record
that as
an error, but will claim that the dog detected lingering odors of
contraband
that were recently present. Cops will testify that dogs never make
mistakes, never have and never will, and that apparent errors are skillful
detections of lingering (residual) odors of contraband.
Government's attitude toward your liberty is like a dog at a fire hydrant.
It is a reminder of the police-state tactics in the infamous Goose Creek
videotape of the government school in South Carolina where children were
forced to the floor in handcuffs and terrorized by dogs and cops with guns
drawn. Nothing was found.
In other government schools, classes have been interrupted and the children
were marched out and lined up to be harassed by a dog.
yours in liberty,
Rex Curry
Attorney At Law
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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Moxie Marlinspike
<moxie(a)thoughtcrime.org> wrote:
> However, my position is that Google Chat is currently more secure than
> CryptoCat. To be more specific, if I were recommending a chat tool for
> activists to use, *particularly* outside of the United States, I would
> absolutely recommend that they use Google Chat instead of CryptoCat.
> Just as I would recommend that they use GMail instead HushMail.
>
> The security of CryptoCat v1 is reducible to the security of SSL, as
> well as to the security of the server infrastructure serving the page.
> Any attacker who can intercept SSL traffic can intercept a CryptoCat
> chat session, just as any attacker who can compromise the server (or the
> server operator themselves) can intercept a CryptoCat chat session.
Are you equating passive attacks with active attacks? If I understand
how CryptoCat works correctly, it is resistant against passive
interception attacks, whereas Google Chat stores cleartext on Google
servers, which are easily accessible to law enforcement. Active
attacks against SSL can be mitigated by pinning CryptoCat
certificates, so you are left with what, compromise of server
infrastructure? That requires LE jurisdiction where the servers are
located, domain expertise, and dealing with the risk that the
compromise is detected. All that vs. Google servers, which, if I
remember right, provide a friendly interface to user accounts once
served with a simple wiretapping order (and as has been already
mentioned, Google is a multinational corporation, subject to a
multitude of jurisdictions, and is known to bend over for whoever is
in charge).
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mail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <cypherpunk=
s(a)cpunks.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4963"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-=
size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5198"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4963"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-=
size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5198"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</=
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edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
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ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4963"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-=
size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5198"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"><br><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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an" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div>
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_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
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ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4963"> <div style=3D"font-family: Helvet=
icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-=
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uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
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ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
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09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"><br><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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an" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div>
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></b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e=
du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6738"><br></div> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
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icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-=
size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4962"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4961"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5198"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"><br><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div>
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</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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an" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div>
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=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3911" style=3D"font-weight:bold=
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></b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e=
du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>=
>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.e=
du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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to:cypherpunks@cpunks.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:cypherpunks@cpu=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
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icaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-=
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5109502_5198"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14428251=
09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4965"><br><div id=3D"yiv5844945283"><div id=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts
Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com=
), and Ahmed Kosba =C2=A0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I've found a refe=
rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=C2=A0 =
"The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=C2=A0=C2=A0 Perhaps y=
ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=
lar subject. =C2=A0I called it "Assassination Politics". =C2=A0cryptome.org=
/ap.htm . =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4958">Your paper: <a href=3D=
"https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&so=
urce=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwi=
F_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-conte=
nt%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpublic_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmH=
TOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zCi016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cG=
U" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_8900">https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt=
&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drj=
a&uact=3D8&ved=3D0CCsQFjACahUKEwiF_b_E7IfIAhWQmIgKHc_tAuY&url=
=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.arijuels.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2Fpubli=
c_gyges.pdf&usg=3DAFQjCNHOBvCYwJ5Aq0CmHTOY53sGdRs5Sw&sig2=3DL_lh-zC=
i016f7Y3jbKVKlQ&bvm=3Dbv.103073922,d.cGU</a></span></div><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4959" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
825109502_8941">Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, </span></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5059"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5057">Once you read my essay, I think you will understand my concer=
n about the motivation for your research, and its potential consequences. &=
nbsp; Superficially, and certainly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assa=
ssination Politics essay), I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed benef=
icial to try to prevent the construction and operation of "criminal contrac=
ts". One problem that I see, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "cri=
minal" may mean no more than "what the government wants to ban" rather than=
an actual victim crime. Worse, governments are powerfully motivated =
to prevent developments that will someday likely destroy them.</span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_5503" class=3D"">I suggest that you study the analyses of Bob =
Vroman <a href=3D"http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.t=
cl?msg_id=3D009ape" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5754">http://www.green=
spun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D009ape</a> , &n=
bsp; <a href=3D"http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@min=
der.net/msg02068.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6269">http://www.ma=
il-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated@minder.net/msg02068.html</a> &n=
bsp; and of Bob Murphy, </span><span style=3D"font-size: small;=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1442825109502_5851" class=3D"">www.anti-state.</span><wbr style=3D"font-s=
ize: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5853" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: small=
; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1442825109502_5855" class=3D"">com/murphy/</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2=
0.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5857" class=3D"">murphy17</span=
><span style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: arial, sans-serif; line-heig=
ht: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5859" class=3D"">.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size: small; font-weight: bold; font-family: arial, sans=
-serif; line-height: 20.2222px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5861" cla=
ss=3D"">html</span> (although the Murphy essay might not be ava=
ilable, except as an archive.) as well as by R. Sukumaran  =
; <a href=3D"http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAss=
assinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442825109502_5597" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" cl=
ass=3D"">http://www.idsa.in/strategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinatio=
nandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket_rsukumaran_0404.html</a>. </div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr">Further, consider<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"> <a href=3D"https://github.com=
/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/master/content/anarchism/game-theory-=
anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-the-state.md" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
2825109502_6139">https://github.com/isislovecruft/patternsinthevoid/blob/ma=
ster/content/anarchism/game-theory-anarchism-ii-how-information-can-smash-t=
he-state.md</a></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=
=3D"https://c4ss.org/content/1157" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6418">h=
ttps://c4ss.org/content/1157</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282510=
9502_5058"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058" dir=3D"ltr=
"><a href=3D"http://archive.is/zYH0e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6562=
" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">series -- anti-state.com<=
/a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5058"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://www.red=
dit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrec=
tionist_ancapism/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6678">https://www.reddi=
t.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/2jo578/arguments_for_against_insurrecti=
onist_ancapism/</a><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr">There is=
a lot more where this comes from.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825=
109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_65=
95" dir=3D"ltr">Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, technologies s=
uch as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply did not exist=
. But today they do, or at least they soon will. And that, I consider=
to be an extremely good thing.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_=
6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6595" dir=
=3D"ltr">So perhaps you will understand that I consider that trying to prev=
ent _all_ "criminal contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dan=
gerous mistake. While I do not believe that such an effort can ever s=
ucceed, I think it would be best not to try.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
442825109502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109=
502_6595" dir=3D"ltr"> Jim Bell</div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6680"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
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09502_4964"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6555"><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_6554">From:</span></b> Ari J=
uels <juels(a)cornell.edu><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> <br><b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.com>=
;; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu> <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 2:32 PM<br>=
<b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5055"><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5054">Subject:</span></b> Re: Your pape=
r on criminal contracts<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" i=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4966">Dear Mr. Bell,</div>
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_4970">Thank you for your original not=
e and follow-up. We=E2=80=99re indeed planning to read your essay and cite =
it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come out in January=
).</div>
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an" face=3D"Calibri">Yours,</font></font></div>
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=3D"yiv5844945283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3911" style=3D"font-weight:bold=
;">From:</span></b> jim bell <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jdb10987@ya=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3519" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span=
></b> "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.e=
du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu">juels(a)cornell.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:juels@cornell.edu" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1442825109502_4991">juels(a)cornell.edu</a>>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>"
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" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>=
>; "<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.e=
du" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</=
a>" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.=
edu" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu<=
/a>>; Cpunks List <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mail=
to:cypherpunks@cpunks.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:cypherpunks@cpu=
nks.org">cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org</a>>
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1442033498384_3521" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</sp=
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45283yui_3_16_0_1_1440878565794_3913" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
/span></b> Your paper on criminal contracts<br clear=3D"none">
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Dear Professors Juels (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.arijuels.com/" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5046">h=
ttp://www.arijuels.com/</a>) and Shi (<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:runting@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:runting=
@gmail.com">runting(a)gmail.com</a>), and Ahmed Kosba <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:akosba@cs.umd.edu">akosba(a)cs.umd.edu</a> : I've f=
ound a reference
to your recent paper, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank"=
href=3D"http://www.initc3.org/publications.html" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144282=
5109502_5047">http://www.initc3.org/publications.html</a>. "The Ring =
of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime." Perhaps you are not=
aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very similar
subject. I called it "Assassination Politics". cryptome.org/ap=
.htm . Jim Bell</di=
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