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Re: Corrupted "From:" headers in my posts
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > > Here's one example for the problem I've been having: > : > A million monkeys operating under the pseudonym > : > "Thomas M. McGhan" <tmcghan(a)gill-simpson.com> typed: > : > : actually, there are only 5737 of us... > Do these appear to other people the same as above? I realized, recently, that the header problems could probably be resolved in a short period of time by consulting the person who has had to deal with this type of thing for many years, having hosted the CypherPunks list for quite some time. I emailed John Gilmore, asking his advice, and he informed me that he has run into this problem before, and would be happy to provide the solution, on one condition. He wants one million monkeys to send 5737 messages to the list, saying "John Gilmore is NOT a cocksucker." Then, he will provide the solution, and not a moment before. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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game theoretic analysis of junk mail
by Wei Dai 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The junk mail problem (also known as spam) is well known to just about everyone who receives e-mail. There has also been many solutions proposed. Noticeably, the idea of having e-mail senders include ecash payments with their mail has come up several times (I believe as the result of independent discovery). In order to evaluate the effectiveness of this proposal, I will construct a game theoretic model of the interaction between the sender and the recipient of an e-mail, and compare the solutions with and without the ecash payment option. The Model Players: A - Sender, B - Recipient A: Send mail? / \ no / \ yes / \ (0,0) B: Read mail? / \ no / \ yes / \ (0,0) B: Accept offer? / \ no / \ yes / \ (0,-c) (s,r-c) Assumptions: - sending the e-mail is costless to the sender - c (the cost of reading a piece of e-mail) is known to both the sender and the recipient. - s and r (the profit of the proposed deal to sender and receiver, respectively, both assumed to be non-negative) are distributed according to the probability density function f(s,r). The sender knows s and r before sending the e-mail, but the receiver does not learn s and r until he reads the e-mail. Solution of the game: To solve this game, we apply the method of backward induction. In the last stage of the game, B decides whether to accept A's offer. Clearly he always accepts since r-c >= -c. Therefore, in the next to last stage, B knows that the expected payoff if he reads the mail is the expected value of r-c, E(r)-c, so he will read if E(r)-c > 0. Finally, we come to A's decision. If A knows that B will not read, then he is indifferent between sending and not sending. However, if we assume that there is a small probability that B will read and accept irrationally, then we can conclude that A always sends the mail. Conclusions To summerize, if E(r) > c, B always reads the mail and accepts the offer, otherwise B never reads. A always sends regardless of the value of the parameters. Now we can see the outcome is not socially optimal. For example if E(r) < c, both A and B would be better off if A only sends when r>c. The above model is not very realistic. The most unrealistic assumption is that the sender knows the exactly value of his offer to the recipient. However I believe the model captures the essence of the junk mail problem. Next time I will analyze the proposed solution of adding the option of a pre-payment. For those who want to try it themselves, I give the game tree here: A: Send mail? / \ no / \ yes / \ (0,0) A: Decide pre-payment p | | | B: Read mail? / \ no / \ yes / \ (-p,p) B: Accept offer? / \ no / \ yes / \ (-p,p-c) (s,r-c)

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A new classical cipher
by klimt gustav 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If answer please mail to : alexandermail(a)hotmail.com A new classical cipher by Alexandre PUKALL : This crypto is in Normal Pukall's Cipher mode 1 ( NPC mode 1 ) Try to break it ! ORISI / DERME / LOEEE / RNDNO / EEPRA / ITSUL / SEUOC / ELEDE / OSEGE / IRUEU / LTUUA / LEARP / RACLO / ROPRA / IETST / AUDEN / EUSMO / ROTTN / NNREF / NLEID / FEERE / EISNE / ROTO / This crypto is in Enhanced Pukall's Cipher mode 1 ( EPC mode 1 ) Try to break it ! REHUA / AVRLL / CELYU / CAICC / ATNOP / TGBEX / RMETE / LLSDO / SEEQE / MACVD / EDFVE / ESENE / MLMPL / EICPU / TEIEM / NCPAP / ELEHT / OPNRU / CAUEA / DFSNS / REANC / CCDLE / RISEU / USESA / EIDTS / MLTOA / MIOGF / ULORD / STHUA / LEUSU / CANIL / AOMUP / IEALS / BNXLD / RIUEI / EECOE / EITDN / GCLDE / JENKE / GOEAP / ESLTD / IEZOR / SEELM / AO / --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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by Site Builder Network 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Confirmed Usenet Faggots 1.01
by Pittsburgh Admin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, aga wrote: > On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 00:32:19 EST > > From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > > To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > > Subject: Re: Is Thomas Lee Another Homosexual Net-Terrorist? > > > > (Back from WashDC, not Phila) > > > > "Dr. Jai Maharaj" <jai(a)aloha.com> writes: > > > > > One Thomas Lee has been complaining that he has trouble > > > with my posts in certain newsgroups (he will not say which > > > posts in which newsgroups) and has caused one or more > > > others to terrorize my ISP with false, unfounded > > > complaints. When I asked this Lee character directly > > > about this, he answered: > > > > > > Thomas Lee <tfl(a)psp.co.uk> wrote at 04:49 pm on 2/16/97: > > > > > > > > In message <3.0.1.32.19970216062849.007a7860(a)aloha.com>, > > > > "Dr. Jai Maharaj" <jai(a)aloha.com> writes: > > > >> . . . I will attempt to help you understand if you will let me know >> > > > as to which posts in which newsgroup you are referring to. > > > > > > > Sorry Jai - If you don't know which groups you are off topic in, > > > > I'm sure not going to help you. > > > > Please stop mailing me. > > > >-- > > > > Thomas Lee > > > > tfl(a)psp.co.uk > > > > > > Evidently, Lee cannot substantiate his claims -- a behavior > > > typical of many other members of the homosexual Lynch Mob > > > which attempts to terrorize the Net. > > > > I hope he dies from AIDS like Jason Durbin and all other Usenet faggots. > > > > --- > > > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM > > Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > > > > Thus we see that what is needed is a permanent list of -confirmed- > Usenet Faggots to be kept up and updated periodically. So when you > update this list, please do it by single digit increments, so that the > next list is "UseNet Faggots 1.02" etc. > > ====================================== > Confirmed Usenet Faggots 1.01 > > Peter Berger > Jason Durbin > J.D Falk > Tim Skirvin > Hardrock Llewellyn > > ====================================== > > note these are *confirmed* Usenet Faggots. > please add any more confirmed faggots that you know about. > > thank you, > aga.admin > UseNet Freedom Council > ufc(a)pgh.org > > post to: > alt.censorship, alt.fan.karl-malden.nose, alt.god.grubor, alt.underground, soc.culture.usa, news.groups, alt.usenet.admin, news.admin.censorship, mail.cypherpunks, alt.webgod, alt.wired, soc.men, news.admin.misc

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Re: [OFF TOPIC]Comments about CFP '97
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > At 08:55 PM 3/25/97 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: > >At 4:07 PM -0800 3/25/97, Bill Stewart wrote: > > > >>>--Tim May, who was comped into the conference and who only paid for one > >>>night at $130, preferring to drive in from elswhere and use the saved money > >>>for something permanent, a new Stihl chainsaw. > >>Just in case the Assault Rifle and pistols aren't enough? :-) > Stihl chain saws are *the best*. Stihl chainsaws are the choice of serial killers from Texas to Xenix. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Corrupted "From:" headers in my posts
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:27 AM 3/26/97 -0600, Toto wrote: |I emailed John Gilmore, asking his advice, and he informed me that |he has run into this problem before, and would be happy to provide the |solution, on one condition. | | He wants one million monkeys to send 5737 messages to the list, saying |"John Gilmore is NOT a cocksucker." | Then, he will provide the solution, and not a moment before. OK, John, count me in. #1! "John Gilmore is NOT a cocksucker." Alec -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMzkeTSKJGkNBIH7lAQHI3QP8DgE91P6O1jF00rBJkv0h2KiXwBf72sXo xrrwRg36PLnYK0+6se5Ldh3mro4J25a7pNdErOlMCEEnkuLz2HHDApgF+bikzEw4 WvZa/3OlSAd1o54/HbMuHnfmZBfsLiEiYIzGGDVJsqTzjiUdqvYJpH3Caq605qT5 5uN7A3fhACc= =Rh5N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Anonymous mail as spam?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: > > At 10:49 PM -0800 3/25/97, snow wrote: > > > What would I do if I were a spammer? > > > Submit the _same_ coin to every mailing I sent out. It will pass > > >your coin filter, and so you see the message, but will fail when you try > > >to spend it, or clear it. What do I care, you've already seen the message. > > I should always try to clear your coin and if I like your message send you > > a new coin. If I can't clear your coin, then your message goes to > > /dev/null. > > This assumes a system where coins can be cleared in real time, and > that people read thier mail while online. At least the second is not an > assumption that can be bourn out. > > > I hope those public key operations are cheap. :-) > > Or at least less than 10 cents. I believe that the 'money-point' for UCE (unsolicited commercial email) spammers is somewhere around .02% for most of their offerings. In other words, they need to send out 10,000 emails and get a response just to break even. So, to make it unprofitable for them to spam god and everybody, it would only take a small surcharge. i.e. a penny or less. I don't actually object to the average Jane/Joe trying to use the 'new medium' to turn a buck, since I don't think that they should be denied the same opportunity as the mega-buck corporations. However, I would like to see the cost of operations for these types of activities be substantial enough that they will be forced to adopt a method of operations that will ensure that there is least a chance that I will be interested in what they have to offer. As things stand, I could buy some UCE/spamming software and send out my proverbial "How To Make $$$ Licking Your Own Dick" missives and probably make some money, since it would not cost me much to send my messages to a few million people. If it was actually costing me even a small sum to send each message, then I would no longer be able to afford indiscriminate spamming, but would still have the option to use hardwork and intelligence to narrow the field of recipients to only include those who might be interested in my offer, such as Bill Frantz, Jim Bell, and Bill Stewart. I truly believe that the InterNet should be left accessible to those without a lot of resources/cash, and that any effort to control abuse through cost should be so minimal as to not interfere with the ability of those who are currency-challenged to participate in its benefits. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: New WinSock Remailer Available; Compatible with Win95
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Joey Grasty <jgrasty(a)gate.net> writes: > You can now download the latest version (version ALPHA1.3B) of the > WinSock Remailer from my webpage at: > > http://www.cyberpass.net/~winsock/ ... > The WinSock Remailer is the Windows version of a cypherpunk remailer. > This version, ALPHA1.3B, runs under Windows 3.1 and Windows 95. > A version for Windows NT will be released shortly. ... > I need to know if you have success with any of the following untested > configurations: > > a) Windows NT (now known not to work) What exactly is the problem with NT (if any)? You might want to take a look at the source code to the cancelbot I published last year - it has some winsock calls that work fine under NT. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: [Proposal:] Revolving Web Mirrors
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > At 9:00 AM -0600 3/26/97, William H. Geiger III wrote: > > >>How does this actually provide any benefit to anyone? Search engines ala > >>Altavista etc. are entirely too unreliable and too slow to pick up on > >>these magical mirrors, especially if they are as dynamic as they would > >>appear to be. And if there's a central "come here and get all the > >>mirrors!" page, the Bad Guys can simply block that page too. > ... > >Does Altavista, ...ect accept notification of new URL's and if so what is > >the average lag time between receiving notice and the URL making it into > >the search engine? > > > >The problem that I am trying to address is that a determined State could > >block all static mirrors over a period of time. By making these sites > >dynamic it makes the job much more difficult for them. > > Why not have e-mail notification about mirrors? To whom? > (Like Raph's remailer list, where an e-mail version is sent out in tandem > with the Web site update.) > > Sure, some Big Mommy filtering services will block the Web sites, but they > probably are completely unequipped to try to interfere with e-mail. It's a piece of cake to scan all incoming e-mail and to see who's getting notifications of the new locations of the "banned pages". It doesn't matter if the "authorities" are the local gubmint or a corporation... If the incoming e-mail is encrypted then the authorities can scrutinize all incoming encryped e-mail and ask the recipients what's in it, why it's encrypted, and whether it's solicited or not. If the notofications of the "banned pages" locations are unsolicited, they have good grounds for a complaint to your ISP. If they're solicited... the recipient's in trouble. But if the notifications are a small part of traffic on a large- volume mailing list, like this one, then the recipient can claim that they've subscribed to the mailing list for the other content (like the ASCII art :-). --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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