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[SURVEY] pgp5.x / pgp2.x users
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fill out and email me, and I'll tabulate results, and post here and on ietf-open-pgp: ==============================8<============================== mini straw poll on pgp2.x and 5.x usage: 1. What are you currently using for everyday use: 2.x or 5.x [ 2 or 5 ] 2. What proportion of people you use PGP to communicate with are using 5.x [ x / y ] 3. How many of the 5.x users you communicate with are cypherpunks [ z ] ==============================8<============================== The question has come up on ietf-open-pgp as to how important it is for the OpenPGP standard to support backwards compatibility with pgp2.x. The tension arises because 2 of the 3 cryptographic algorithms used in pgp2.x are patented in some parts of the world. (IDEA being patented in Europe, and US; and RSA being patented in the US and Canada). The IETF generally likes to steer clear of patented algorithms as MUSTs in standards. This encourages implementations, etc. (Personally I'm pretty keen on this point, though I would like more backwards compatible pgp5.x implementations -- I've already received emails I can't read without resorting to the pgp5 command line app, which doesn't work with my mailer integrated system.) So the question arises, just how many pgp2.x users are there. PGP Inc are pointing to the ratio of RSA keys to DSA/EG keys on keyservers as showing that pgp2.x users are in the minority. However that ratio is something like 20,000 to 75,000, and I'm sure we've heard statistics in the past about there being literally millions of pgp 2.x users. One suspects that either many pgp 2.x users aren't using keyservers (I know several cypherpunks who have something against key servers and avoid them for perceived security or privacy reasons), and/or the pgp2.x user base is exaggerated. Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) wrote: >No, it doesn't - your definition of democracy is a simplistic if not >childish view intended to cast democracy in the worst possible light >imaginable. I don't need to cast dumbocracy in a bad light; one look at the news does far more than I ever could to show the evils of government. >Obviously there is nothing in the definition of a democracy that prevents >those founding the democracy from stating: >"Congress shall make no law respecting ..." Indeed. And such statements are almost totally worthless; the US Constitution includes such statements, yet it is rapidly becoming the world leader in repression and spreading that to other countries as fast as it can. The best such limits can do is slow the spread of government, not stop it. Perhaps you should try a few games of Hofstadter's 'Nomic', which is based around this problem? >Grow up. I have grown up; I come from a strongly socialist family, yet I soon learnt that my and my family's political beliefs were wrong. Most people just continue to parrot the same beliefs all their lives. I could live with a libertarian minarchy, or even the US Constitution if it were upheld, but neither society would be as stable as anarchy. >You've proved nothing except your a priori dislike for democracy because you >want to convince others you are an angel. Sorry? I have no desire to govern others, so I don't have to be an angel. Indeed, the fact that there are no angels is another strong argument for anarchy over government. If power corrupts, then eliminate the power. If self-rule is good, then government is bad. If you believe in both self-rule and government, you've proven nothing but that your beliefs are contradictory. Mark

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Did It Really Happen? Did The Holocaust Really Happen?
by cary＠t-1net.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May ('>') wrote: >> This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed >>upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions >>of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose >>to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding >>to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation >>of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny. > >Excuse me, but this modern notion that protesters get to "make a deal" >about the fines they'll eventually pay is bogus. If they're trespassing, >they're trespassing. They don't get to take over Intel's factory, chain >themselves to the Evil Factory doors, and then make a deal to pay some >token fine. I think you're overreacting here (or I am misreading the above '>>'). If the sentence is life, with a chance for parole after 15 years, or if the sentence is death, that is what all those who practice civil disobedience should face -- what the actual sentence is. Applying pepper spray directly to eyes of _non-violent_ demonstrators is "cruel and unusual punishment", not just normal arrest procedures. (Violent demonstrators must deal with the consequences of their actions, including death.) [as usual -- just my own views...] ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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RE: PGP Employee on MKR
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Scenario #2: employee quits jon in a huff, refuses to divulge >passphrase, lots of queued encrypted email -- what now? Or lots of encrypted old email that contains useful information. Especially in a larger corporate environment, where an email system is deployed that uses a proprietary message store (like Microsoft Mail or Microsoft Exchange), people tend to use the mailboxes as storage containers. It gets worse if these isn't a way to get the messages out of the vendor's message store conveniently -- if you want to keep old messages around, they _have_ to be stored in the vendor's message store. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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RE: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>You can improve the situation by purchasing high deductible policies. >It is astonishing how quickly the rates fall when you are willing to >pay the first few thousand yourself. This is almost a necessity nowadays, as many employers don't start your health coverage until you have been employed for 6 months. A high deductible makes self-insurance (at least for engineers) affordable when in-between corporate health insurance policies. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: Remailer hating Nazis (was Re: The BIG Lie (Jesus Confesses))
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) wrote: > > The remailer hating Nazi called Patrick Oonk wrote: > > >At least I don't hide behind a remailer. I'll bet he wears a badge with his full name, street address, and home phone number when he walks down the street so as not to "hide behind" his otherwise anonymous clothing! <g> (Everyone is entitled to know the identity of everyone else, right?) > > If so, then burn in hell, Nazi scum-sucking weasel! > > > Ditto for Paul Pomes and Gary Burnore. I'm familiar with the role of Gary Burnore <gburnore(a)netcom.com> and that of his DataBasix associates Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com> and Billy McClatchie (aka "Wotan") <wmcclatc(a)primenet.com> in getting the Mailmasher and Huge Cajones remailers shut down. Jeff Burchell posted a public expose' of their harassment to Usenet back in June, apparently catching the DataBasix folks off-guard. But what's the story with Paul Pomes? What has he done? Perhaps the best thing that can be done with people like Burnore is to put together an FAQ about their tactics, similar to what his "fans" have done for the "Rev." Steve Winter. Then when Burnore tries to stir up trouble by first fabricating anonymous "abuse" and then demanding that it either be stopped and the culprit(s) identified (knowing in advance that's impossible), or else that the remailer be shut down, someone can forward that FAQ to the remailer's upstream provider, or whoever is being pressured to pull the plug. And if Paul Pomes engages in the same dishonest tactics, that needs to be done with him as well. -- "I cannot convince myself that there is anyone so wise, so universally comprehensive in his judgment, that he can be trusted with the power to tell others: 'You shall not express yourself thus, you shall not describe your own experiences; or depict the fantasies which your mind has created; or laugh at what others set up as respectable; or question old beliefs; or contradict the dogmas of the church, of our society, our economic systems, and our political orthodoxy.'" - Jake Zeitlin

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Re: Killing those who need killing (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:21:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Mix <mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> > Subject: Re: Killing those who need killing > Tim May wrote: > >Don't any of you get any ideas here, but in California it is > >ridiculously easy to get someone committed for a 72-hour observation > >period. All one has to do is convince one of the various agencies > >that a person is a possible danger to himself or to others.... > > >...Worst of all, the mere fact of having been committed, regardless > >of the eventual outcome, can mean a complete loss of rights to own a > >handgun, rifle, or shotgun for a long period (10 years, I > >think). Failure to let the Thought Police in for a look around one's > >home is almost ipso facto grounds for committment. > > Use of remailers lessens this and other risks. Ok, Monty, explain how my use of remailers is going to help me when my son-in-law (for example) decides that he wants my property and decides to have me examined? The mere fact that he can prove I use anonymous remailers will only boost his assertion that I am a paranoid. If my hard drive is encrypted that is further proof of my 'illness'. Swords cut both ways. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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