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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: >Turns out that Blue Cross and Blue Shield have negotiated, through >enormous buying power, daily rates of about $700 a day. (These >numbers come from my memory of a "60 Minutes" report a few years >ago. Details and current figures may vary.) Sounds like what you really want is to be able to buy through these companies without buying the insurance. This would be a real easy service for them to provide because if they mark it up a little bit, it's basically free money. (They are doing the negotiations anyway, after all.) They don't even need to know your name until you show up wanting to use their health care network. The Emergency Room Scenario is a little more challenging. One way to deal with it is to wear some obvious signs of wealth like a $10,000 watch. In a pinch you can give them the watch. ;-) (Some of the nurses won't know what it is, but the doctors will, I am sure.) I'm pretty sure that if you are an unconscious wealthy looking person they don't turn you away. You really only need to survive until your lawyer gets to the hospital with a suitcase of cash. How do super rich people solve this problem? You can be pretty sure that Bill Gates self insures and protects his privacy at the same time. How does he do it? How does he solve the Emergency Room Scenario? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFjs2JaWtjSmRH/5AQH8bgf8CmUdMFs1Hzrx4wVhtAKVSDpaizFsA5c9 BuSlOGkVsFcpAWOWSYatZcpR/gx2AJgSFk1oJGWulh89L7QpQ06pNpLaNQUrx39n Y2PT00ljNShmVE2IEmHrhSwPaEs0XDT03M1TFBpg/N2XK939qnrl32ObNidE7f4/ joQlGlX2n11jJFXFJmKps0nA3s0IpxALBByBcXa7Zxrkuj5R1PpqHQaakBkHZSS1 krRF0ztDiSvV0bn1VWhLj2upvC7TALFmifACFZ29QLgRqk1k8Kp9VqRHO4+ZQENN Y4Ljk+qEjG/ej57CisWZyu2w5EIO44R1+y1jSNdOfrsevLo9vZn2QQ== =PFfW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alan Olsen wrote: >Actually, the real "sucker rates" are the amounts small businesses >pay for insurance. > >The big businesses (who can buy in bulk) get a pretty reasonable deal >for what they get. The smaller companies who cannot bargain the >price down get screwed. (The rate my wife's employer was paying was >close to double what my insurance costs and it covered ALOT less.) You can improve the situation by purchasing high deductible policies. It is astonishing how quickly the rates fall when you are willing to pay the first few thousand yourself. Also, many small business owners seek out other small business owners and purchase their insurance collectively. I have heard this works fairly well, although it gives each participant less discretion, just like if they were employed by a large company. >I seriously doubt that most people could afford to self-insure at the >going rate. (Not unless they have some serious income they want to >get rid of.) I'd guess there are a lot more people who can self insure than you think, but their net worth should be $200,000+. I'm not convinced that disaster medical care is all that expensive. Consider AIDS. I've heard that it costs about $30,000 to care for somebody with this disease. After ten years that's only $300,000. Yet, this is often put forth as a problem which causes insurance companies great trouble and causes rates to increase significantly. Does anybody know what the odds of hitting $300,000 are? I'm just guessing, but the odds are probably higher that you would die in some other way. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFjmAJaWtjSmRH/5AQEKlwf+M/LejU8uHDxrl4Q8K61CVSymGZjC1yPd QvTEOGHJZb8+g5MypHByJcyQTfUwf5oxFJJHsqM7RCVfYaNOnH/2V5TM0O7+B8Tq wT05ybZEbMY4XOcROccKjHj1spgpNinIQpYRvCQ6yf0t5RNo9ouhyx6dkK0VkUv2 FGk0/XeynCJO41OXvkVp031PO3d3G1alk/wO5SjB3KDzScsKHHdFQP4RP5Zv65WI ucWUO5aC9ArciVrI066s+D+B8lBJGZJoMAP0tkIEJnkWy7OlYshpp6n208ZdrAow YbCh7JDT/so0pX5hdsnC4PV+9WF0Cqu6rwHls8RyES7Cts+5/Bkebw== =awBK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[FWD] Re: Burnore preworthily larine circumgyrate (Who Care?)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary L. Burnore <gburnore(a)netcom.com> whined: > Funny. Of course, databasix.com has been DOWN SINCE AUGUST BECAUSE OF A > MOVE. The shit you see abouve comes from the anon asshole trying to see > if Burnore and DataBasix and other keywords are being blocked by anon > remailers. I've seen it before. I'm sure Ron Guilmette (who you've accused elsewhere of doing this) would be smart enough to know that it doesn't take dozens of posts every day containing those keywords to detect blocking, if any. OTOH, the fact that the "abuse" does seem to fit such a nice, tidy pattern does imply that an easy way to stop it would be to block any anonymous posts that mention Gary Burnore, DataBasix, etc. Could that be the real purpose of this nonsense? Do you know anyone who'd like to see all anonymous posts that mention Gary Burnore and/or DataBasix blocked? Perhaps someone who chronically refers to remailer users as "anon assholes"? Of course, the databasix.com domain being down is irrelevant. You still have sufficient Internet access through Netcom to do what's being done, so your alibi is meaningless. > Such an amazing coincidence that the software given freely by > mai1to:rfg@monkeys.com (aka mai1to:support@e-scrub.com and > mai1to:sales@escrub.com) makes the above output possible. It's even more amazing that you'd just happen to know what sort of software was being used to generate the messages, isn't it? And if it's "freely available", as you say, then even you could have obtained a copy. You certainly seem to be familiar with its capabilities. Why would Ron allegedly have to use this special software just to test a few keywords (especially if using his own software would implicate himself)? And if he is supposedly using the remailers for "harassment", why would he do something designed to get them shut down? I don't recall him posting anti-remailer tirades and harassing remailer operators (such as Jeff Burchell) as you've done. Or could it be that you're trying to flood the search engines with references to certain keywords so that it's difficult to search for posts related to you, DataBasix, and your tactics? And did you insert all of those "mail to:" URLs into your post to get Ron Guilmette spam-baited, or did you hope I'd quote them verbatim and thus get my post blocked by some automated filter mechanism? -- Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind. -- General William Westmoreland

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Re: Burnore preworthily larine circumgyrate (Who Care?)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

trailblazer(a)sk.sympatico.ca (Stephen K. Goguen) wrote: > Does anybody really care who is spamming who? > I don't think so. I am not a spammer BTW! > These messages are a waste of valuable band width! > If you have a problem with a spammer take it up with them, spare the > rest of us from this boring carp! > > > On Sunday, 26 Oct 97 20:01:02 PST, nobody(a)neva.org (Neva Remailer) > wrote: > > > >An atumble Henrician. Intramastoid the cutted refight. DataBasix > >androgen. Allochroite syndesmosis. You might want to direct your comments to the author of this spammage, Gary L. Burnore <gburnore(a)databasix.com>, CEO of DataBasix, who still appears to be on a vendetta against the anonymous remailers. This particular spam campaign appears to be designed to accomplish two things: 1.) Get people upset at the anonymous remailers by posting this spam through them, and; 2.) Saturate the news search engines with matches on his name and that of his company so that any search on these words yields a vast majority of false matches. Just look at some of the Subject: lines he's posted over just the past few days: DataBasix cajoler Burnore Elamite the juxtaposit parciloquy ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Autoceptive DataBasix sugary bultow ^^^^^^^^^ A Amoyan planula hoboism Burnore guestling ^^^^^^^ Burnore undutiful unavouchably ^^^^^^^ Perocephalus Wotan wine murder Burnore Akiyenik ^^^^^^^ Wotan votive DataBasix manglingly ^^^^^^^^^ Burnore dowery crants sla throneless ^^^^^^^ Instillator a dene meethelper orach Burnore acoine ^^^^^^^ A sith hove DataBasix cradlesong commercialist hebete ^^^^^^^^^ Unangelical visual DataBasix nonempirical ^^^^^^^^^ Burnore preworthily larine circumgyrate ^^^^^^^ Interfertile pomade outhue and Burnore cancrophagous ^^^^^^^ DataBasix preapperception ^^^^^^^^^ -- "I cannot convince myself that there is anyone so wise, so universally comprehensive in his judgment, that he can be trusted with the power to tell others: 'You shall not express yourself thus, you shall not describe your own experiences; or depict the fantasies which your mind has created; or laugh at what others set up as respectable; or question old beliefs; or contradict the dogmas of the church, of our society, our economic systems, and our political orthodoxy.'" - Jake Zeitlin

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Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:08:06 -0800 > From: Steve Schear <azur(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd) > No amount of deaths are adequate cause for suspending the constitutional > rights of our citizens. If the Feds can't adequately protect our citizens > from criminal activities w/o trampling on our rights then its time for us > to reorganize into different geo-political structures which may. No, it is time WE take responsibility back for our actions and control our own lives and quit abrogating it to some asshole who will promise anything to get us to give them money for nothing (ie taxes). > Once > solutions offered from D.C. include suspension of our civil rights its time > to put allt he options on the table, including considering the abandonment > of the entire compact. If we abandon democracy then we are admitting that ALL social systems are a failure. Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural Addr ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 08:27:55 -0600 > Subject: Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd) > Well THANK YOU Jim for joining forces with the Government NewSpeakers in > bastardising the language. Military and Police actions by governments is > NOT Terrorism!! Yes, Bill it is. *ANY* use of violence for anything other than IMMEDIATE SELF-DEFENCE is terrorism. Simply being on the *winning* side does not make your actions any less terrorist. Any use of violence except in immediate self-defence is in effect saying "do what I say or I kill you". THAT is the definition of terrorism. > Everything bad that happens is NOT Terrorism!! Just > because it is politically expediant to call somthing Terrorism does not > make it so! If you have a point then do so and let it stand on it's > merrits rather than trying to win brownie points by stealing emotional > value from an established lable. This is a shallow debating technique of a > weak mind. Bill, I have never done anything but been willing to let my views stand on their own two feet. > Exactly how many have died from Terrorist acts?? I contend that it is > below 10,000 in the past ten years and more than likely closer to 2,000. > Even at 10,000 we are only looking at most 50-100 Americans a year!! Well, if we look at Jan. 1, 1900 as the starting date for our accounting I would estimate that somewhere between 2 to 5 BILLION poeple have died due to terrorist acts. It doesn't make it right whether it is the Khmer Rhouge, SOG, Shinning Path, The SLA, CIA in Laos or Columbia, Ruby Ridge, KAL 007, TWA 800, IRA, SDS, Black Panthers, or some old lady in Ill. who wants to committ suicide. When you kill or threaten somebody for what they believe or what they are you are committing terrorism. > The whole point of my orriginal message that you seem unable to grasp ("no > suprise") is that 50-100 deaths/year does not justify turning this country > into a police state!! *NOTHING* justifies turning a democracy into a police state, that is the WHOLE point to democracies in the first place; NOTHING justifies a police state. Go back and read the Declaration of Independance again, you missed something in previous readings. If anything Bill, *you* are the one who has unwittingly (I hope) swallowed their jism. If you yank on a dogs chain and it bites you, it isn't the dogs fault. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Got an IRS horror story?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> >> >> <B>Republicans launch Web site to gather "horror stories'<P> >> WASHINGTON (AP) ã Got a story about the Internal Revenue Service? >> House Republicans opened a new Internet site Wednesday "to collect >>IRS horror stories from the American people." >> The new site is on the House Republican Conference's World Wide Web >>page. It's aimed at giving "the American people the opportunity to share >>the frightening experiences they have had when dealing with the IRS as >>Congress prepares to pass significant IRS reform," GOP lawmakers said in >>a statement. >> The Web site also contains a short poll on the IRS and tax reform, >>with questions such as "Do you think the IRS abuses its power or uses it >>responsibly?" >> ããã >> The site is http://hillsource.house.gov. >> APTV-10-29-97 1907EST >>

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White House reiterates support for censorware
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: > -- Promoted a "family friendly" Internet: President Clinton has >worked to make cyberspace a safe place for children by cracking down >on illegal content on the Internet and encouraging the private sector >to develop software that can screen out content that is inappropriate >for children. -Declan **************** White House Fact Sheet on 'Starbright World' NETWORKS FOR PEOPLE: CLINTON-GORE AND THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY October 30, 1997 "And I challenge the private sector tonight to start by connecting every children's hospital as soon as possible, so that a child in bed can stay in touch with school, family and friends. A sick child need no longer be a child alone." -- President Clinton, State of the Union Address, February 4, 1997 Today, President Clinton and Vice President Gore will unveil and demonstrate Starbright World, an on-line computer network that enables seriously ill children to meet, play and verbally communicate with one another.. Starbright World meets the President's State of the Union challenge to the private sector to help connect seriously ill children in hospitals across the country. They will be joined in launching this program by Starbright Chairman Steven Spielberg and Starbright Capital Campaign Chairman General H. Norman Schwarzkopf. President Clinton and Vice President Gore have made promoting the Internet and other information and communications technologies a top priority. They believe that the Internet is an engine of economic growth and job creation, and a powerful tool for educating our children and expanding access to health care. Below are just a few of their accomplishments: -- Created an "e-rate" for schools, libraries and rural health clinics: As part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, President Clinton fought for an "e-rate" which will provide more than $2.5 billion per year in discounts for schools, libraries and rural health clinics to connect to the Internet. -- Proposed a $2 billion Technology Literacy Challenge Fund: To put the future at the fingertips of our children, President Clinton believes we must connect every classroom to the Internet by the year 2000, increase the number of multimedia computers in the classroom, give teachers the training they need to use technology effectively, and promote the development of high-quality educational software. To help states and local communities meet these goals, President Clinton has proposed a 5-year, $2 billion Technology Literacy Challenge Fund, with more than $400 million in funding in his FY98 budget. -- Promoted a "family friendly" Internet: President Clinton has worked to make cyberspace a safe place for children by cracking down on illegal content on the Internet and encouraging the private sector to develop software that can screen out content that is inappropriate for children. -- Supported grassroots efforts to bring technology to our schools: President Clinton and Vice President Gore have been active participants in volunteer efforts like "NetDay" and "U.S. Tech Corps." -- Invested in the Next Generation Internet: President Clinton has launched an initiative to connect more than 100 universities at speeds that are 100-1,000 times faster than today's Internet, and to develop the next generation of applications, such as telemedicine. This will ensure that the United States remains at the cutting-edge of Internet technology. -- Developed a strategy to foster global electronic commerce: In July 1997, President Clinton unveiled a strategy to eliminate the barriers to global electronic commerce, which will create instant access to global markets for America

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Whitehouse Seige Ends Peacefully!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] THE BARTENDER at the Coal Dust Saloon announced earlier today that the seige of the Whitehouse by armed CypherPunks ended peacefully today, when the occupants were knocked down with Teflon-coated, hollow-point Destructor bullets the size of drain plugs. Chief CypherPunks Spokesperson, [Your Name Here], was pleased to announce that the Whitehouse occupants, including the late Director of the FBI, "are SAFE, now."

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Rules for a successful society
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Q: Don't want to get shot? A: Don't break into my house, try to assault me, or steal my car. Q: Don't want to be beaten about the head and shoulders with a large club? A: Stay off my property unless invited. The PRIMARY rule of a successful society: Treat others the way you want to be treated, NO EXCEPTIONS. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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