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(Fwd) NaiF Meeting on Data Mining - MONDAY 11/17
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thought this might be of interest to some of you in the Puget Sound area. .. Blanc > NORTHWEST ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE FORUM > >WHEN: Monday, November 17th, 1997. > No-host dinner: 5:30 - 6:30 p.m. > Social hour: 6:00 - 7:00 p.m. > Training: 7:00 - 8:30 p.m. > >WHERE: The College Club, 5th Avenue & Madison Street, > in Seattle. (Directions later in this notice.) > >TOPIC: Data Mining and KDD: An Introductory Overview > >SPEAKER: Usama M. Fayyad, Ph.D., Microsoft Research > >COST: Public $10, NaiF members free. Complimentary parking > until 9 p.m. for all attendees in the College Club garage. > >ABSTRACT > >Knowledge Discovery in Databases (KDD) and Data Mining are concerned with >the extraction of high-level information (knowledge) from low-level data >(usually stored in large databases). Dr. Fayyad will give an overview of >this rapidly growing area, define the goals, present motivation, and give a >high-level definition of the KDD Process and how it relates to Data Mining. >He will then focus on data mining methods. These methods have their origins >in statistics, pattern recognition, learning, visualization, databases, and >parallel computing. Basic coverage of a sampling of methods will be >provided to give a feel for what the methods are about and how they are >used. > >He will outline the research challenges and opportunities posed by the >problem of extracting models from massive data sets (i.e., much larger than >main memory). Operating under such scalability constraints poses interesting >problems for how models can be built and what methods are practical. He >will use an application in astronomy, done at JPL/Caltech, to motivate the >need for dealing with large databases, to illustrate problems of >classification and clustering with verylarge data sets, and to illustrate >how these techniques can offer powerful novel solutions to significant >problems. > >BIOGRAPHY > >Usama Fayyad is a Senior Researcher at Microsoft Research >(http://www.research.microsoft.com/research/dtg/fayyad) ><http://www.research.microsoft.com/research/dtg/fayyad)> . After receiving >the Ph.D. degree in 1991, he joined the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), >California Institute of Technology, until 1996. At JPL, he headed the >Machine Learning Systems Group where he developed data mining systems for >automated science data analysis. He remains affiliated with JPL as a >Distinguished Visiting Scientist. Dr. Fayyad received the 1993 JPL Lew >Allen Award for Excellence in Research, and the 1994 NASA Exceptional >Achievement Medal. >He was program co-chair of KDD-94 and KDD-95 (the First International >Conference on Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining). He was general chair of >KDD-96, is editor-in-chief of the journal "Data Mining and Knowledge >Discovery," and co-editor of the new MIT Press book (1996) "Advances in >Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining." His research interests include >knowledge discovery in large databases, data mining, machine learning, >statistical pattern recognition, and clustering. > >DINNER & AI > >NaiF members and non-members are invited to come early and order your own >dinner from the College Club's delicious and economical menu. The College >Club offers free beer and some soft drink selections to Club members and >their guests (that includes all NaiF program participants) during their >happy hour" from 5 to 7 p.m. Why not come directly from work (please arrive >by 5:30 p.m.) and join the NaiF Board, NaiF members and friends in a great >dinner before the evening program? To aid in their planning, the College >Club requires a count of the NaiF dinner participants. >R.S.V.P. for the dinner only to Dave Ault (DAAult(a)Brigadoon.com ><mailto:DAAult@Brigadoon.com> , or 206-783-2917) by Noon on Wednesday, >November 12th, 1997. > >SOCIAL HOUR > >Come early (or join us after dinner) and network with other AI professionals >and enthusiasts during our social hour from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m. NaiF provides >complimentary coffee and sodas during the social hour and program >presentation. > >DIRECTIONS TO COLLEGE CLUB > >FROM THE SOUTH - >* Take the Madison Street exit from I-5. >* Turn left (west) at the light onto Madison St. >* Turn left (south) at the second light onto 5th Avenue. >* Turn left immediately into the garage under the College Club. > > FROM THE NORTH - > >* Take the Union Street exit from I-5. >* Turn left (south) onto 5th Avenue. >* After Madison St. turn left into garage under the College Club. > > > NaiF BOARD & OFFICERS > > Dave Ault, Ph.D. > Frank Christopherson, Ph.D. > Paul Gianattasio (President) > Robin Gianattasio (Secretary) > Al Leichner, C.P.A. (Treasurer) > Rae Mackay > Dan Mahler (Vice President) > Mike Michaels, Ph.D. > Philip Murphy, Ph.D. > Brian Weisbrod > > > NaiF ACTIVITIES > >* To volunteer for NaiF activities please contact NaiF President Paul >Gianattasio at <Topper(a)Halcyon.com <mailto:Topper@Halcyon.com> >. >* NaiF gives AI practitioners a forum to share their experiences and >results. Interested? Contact Program Director Dr. Dave Ault at ><DAAult(a)Brigadoon.com <mailto:DAAult@Brigadoon.com> >. > >For additional information on NaiF's activities please connect to our WWW >Web Site. > >CONTACTING NaiF > >P.O. Box 181 >Bellevue, WA, 98009-0181 > >World Wide Web Site: > http://www.halcyon.com/topper/naif.htm ><http://www.halcyon.com/topper/naif.htm> >If you know of others who would like to be included on NaiF's e-mail >distribution list, with their permission, please forward their name and >e-mail address to the sender of this message. >David A. Ault, Ph.D. <DAAult(a)Brigadoon.com ><mailto:DAAult@Brigadoon.com> > >P.O. Box 31864 >Seattle, WA 98103-1864 (206) 783-2917 > > > >

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The Illusion of Freedom
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Kent Crispin wrote: >On Thu, Nov 13, 1997 at 05:59:51AM -0000, [Nerthus] wrote: >[...] >> >> "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, >> or give me death." -- Patrick Henry >> >> What is life without liberty? Abject slavery. Any sane man would rather >> die than be a slave. > >It makes nice rhetoric, but this is simply not true, you know. Most >people correctly evaluate that you have no chance for freedom at all >if you commit suicide, whereas a slave *does* have a chance. Assuming he recognizes that he *is* a slave. Most people are oblivious to this fact. >But of course we know from game theory that being completely >predictable can be a weakness. So having a certain percentage of the >population who will behave irrationally is probably necessary for the >health of a society. But if too many people act irrationally, >society will disintegrate. (By "irrational" here I am referring to >behaviour clearly contrary to your own survival.) 'Tis true. War is a perfect example of what happens when too many people act irrationally. I'm interested in avoiding war without becoming a slave in the process. Anyone else? Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGz3tuFWwZe05jcJAQFkDQf+L2Xv0bL8zIT6aKZDkPSYYcLnDD1Ky8d8 F6/1NMid0ZSsn/d6QtMH+ToZDHIuXsY2H12RZqmjSxLnaOm6BPsdGvxviuPoMKT2 1OFEszVgCbx0R+6mcZSjHtkbPr03s1+YgfEShdp7HRymmFsKkb71lPGj3naj1Yle p9k6qqJ2r4AMR6tlop6MjC9IgzJxzCDinOAcn2l1+pDkfj3N8KXIJgauPAtVd+zS sbDpNwL4NCuMpmTOeYhfiaD4ODD0LfU4yfYQFSac1OwPq3hG4vt0HmGrh77WvLSF yG1Lm1uSr8InLj1g4Zhkx0H+e7Ut9YgMFLWtfGVHiRb/73t1l0U2/Q== =0zEn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Announcing a disposable remailer
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Announcing a disposable remailer
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Announcing the Woodwose Remailer! Instructions for Use: Point a web browser to: http://mailexcite.com/ Use the name woodwose and password jaguar7. The buttons for operating the mailer page are clearly marked--I won't bore anyone with trivia. Since the username and password for this account have now been publicly posted, anyone can use this account to send/receive email. Obviously anyone who can log in can read replies to your messages, and delete them too. PGP encrypted replies are highly recommended, and don't count on getting replies too much. The name under which this account was created is not my real name. This is my nym-persistence key: - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 mQENAzRgm1kAAAEIAKuDuhI2L3bR4InCJxzaiPLtLHU+tFaD8NeVWAh+XiYme5Cp aH5oKDUVzPFoSTidYC11xB5VIXRX6yCnjk5MqX3VlKJ+hVv/4vY20ZlVBaDc8IZ5 GvrEc8+iify3OdOkh3p4FuUbT2rgV/QO8n1UPOfwpzPAF/cqznqgUHuupB6+/k1n 7y6vCMQp1GmOZP9LO6MqZOKmtzKbrBNwio+Yp+vGFv0/HDW1ZD1bIIQL+ZhEXVR7 0Px5u8yeGUer6vdmz8S44s76JPnYPGU5z7vprndc5QHMIjQY9ZUWxlvsR43s1RuZ 0r+1f35f4LhxCOyf2FLV6+hI9Rjd9Uu3rrYNJeEABRG0HFdvb2R3b3NlIDxXb29k d29zZUBkZXYubnVsbD6JARUDBRA0YJtZ9Uu3rrYNJeEBAcLbB/90co6BJRGtIrNZ 2BqiA8+VrsGQMzUfCl4cas4i+G0aKigkemW/TlbSUEF7YIk7bh/ZQ49eAGucrfM5 NICAqSSzNQx+3h2pzYn/uN5+55QOLho4PwwJw+qr31o+weuIgyoMuECNb2IZUtGn fwfC3MZtZrqwfSzoXpJRZNQCrj+lZKUc14VEJ9kcw1Vt93+E6dTPd+GgyAlcbZ9v 6thY86iTmccCDMv5tPvrAQ/buPHZif1mFs3Ii2pBZ06gpypj2vVTJ63wp5tfASZL RwfXJT3CmjiCQFpHQIGNDwZmc4YaFaFUGobI47nEJXksdTrE8o1f9ISwrDc2RZIX +VP1+pyo =7OWl - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- This one is included for fun & entertainment: - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 mQENAzRuCjkAAAEIAL/9Rybwp3um7n1fuyasj35/cy9mO4eZEAzamx3wIQkwYoEX jb2soJ5khlksI9lugtYBvSltDO6OmyiP2YRBI9vEh/GSAefvDIka4wtif9YkW9Rx 4lO4tFcWVdoRWkbDVxipp0t9tniWrnpJTNDORBjOmsNQBftqcId8/3E61L6A0iT1 dL/U186h/iBpnmpM1/iPfu1Jj+oD0DIIcNOIUo4QAZ2z3h8LZQnQIkPelboupe6h dNhYHomsN9CUwP50eV2brX3xm9s6vaFWSYzUtB5HksBIxd4zuo210JFgmUn2afjS HbNGzn7XV8NpuHz7ixWYHH4poD1bTBkFV1HV2dcABRG0J0N5cGhlcnB1bmtzIExp c3QgPEN5cGhlcnB1bmtzQGRldi5udWxsPokBFQMFEDRuCjpMGQVXUdXZ1wEBeYsI AJ/VLm2vHLpMhVqRuwaRgI9KDAxPOinLxbXKCGdAXEZeNrUCgcHE7DqoZv/B9R+/ XAiNXyCMZb0fw0XGlsV8OTRaYr7fQj6zZO5TPBksmgwxPoF8oKqUjO4kE7CCIpA2 Gsy4ZDCgKhwxxDVjKlwrRHCYCPYY5Tm6mbia9Ix3HVBOPxUCG8b9c3zTGyqFpgII +a8jn4QOidX5llZDejLMe3E/67Mqv6/n2P2cjDmDhN2V00cpvMHwV8WHh/MebvYp MY1xRTH8Nj5F1o5kWC5dLeGCM0Zgg4N6MluZE6ifOsd2/3PwDwlCMsNuFkzJhnsv bS4G8rUv9I0pQlThE78A78Y= =OcKK - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG4RTfVLt662DSXhAQFpaggApc9R6CnTYzTA8BJd+kq94kfQeoK/sNU+ J+CI2t+PXLY+IcjK/qjH4J6h60PNVvHQXtK8mwjj4CgjvnGSsqj8snsSh4AGujyd N/ZXcU0g+KpZhI5XWqNqj9B4I7uosgEd63CrnyEUAFB4Rd4w/+xPa4Hsq06Y7yGO IBwqGQXtXHaolvDFQb4tDLuSiG4YzmjvnAVwWTVMOmv2ZzD/4+vNBvylq4cdbJ8j P1f1GmDcZBXXKijXyIFbdWhbGL5Q47Zmpbflhgt+WjKUhg1d23NbRlelzi/R2ykz VFUGztzyBkRN+QT7Ei2GRD31bzprwYXy7QcmjuE6CjBsE+lQ2aZwPQ== =6lXj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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The Illusion of Freedom
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Kent Crispin wrote: >On Thu, Nov 13, 1997 at 05:59:51AM -0000, [Nerthus] wrote: >[...] >> >> "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, >> or give me death." -- Patrick Henry >> >> What is life without liberty? Abject slavery. Any sane man would rather >> die than be a slave. > >It makes nice rhetoric, but this is simply not true, you know. Most >people correctly evaluate that you have no chance for freedom at all >if you commit suicide, whereas a slave *does* have a chance. Assuming he recognizes that he *is* a slave. Most people are oblivious to this fact. >But of course we know from game theory that being completely >predictable can be a weakness. So having a certain percentage of the >population who will behave irrationally is probably necessary for the >health of a society. But if too many people act irrationally, >society will disintegrate. (By "irrational" here I am referring to >behaviour clearly contrary to your own survival.) 'Tis true. War is a perfect example of what happens when too many people act irrationally. I'm interested in avoiding war without becoming a slave in the process. Anyone else? Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGz3tuFWwZe05jcJAQFkDQf+L2Xv0bL8zIT6aKZDkPSYYcLnDD1Ky8d8 F6/1NMid0ZSsn/d6QtMH+ToZDHIuXsY2H12RZqmjSxLnaOm6BPsdGvxviuPoMKT2 1OFEszVgCbx0R+6mcZSjHtkbPr03s1+YgfEShdp7HRymmFsKkb71lPGj3naj1Yle p9k6qqJ2r4AMR6tlop6MjC9IgzJxzCDinOAcn2l1+pDkfj3N8KXIJgauPAtVd+zS sbDpNwL4NCuMpmTOeYhfiaD4ODD0LfU4yfYQFSac1OwPq3hG4vt0HmGrh77WvLSF yG1Lm1uSr8InLj1g4Zhkx0H+e7Ut9YgMFLWtfGVHiRb/73t1l0U2/Q== =0zEn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: (Fwd) Victory For Microbroad
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 at 21:45:14 -0800 Steve Schear quoted himself as having written: > "I've been wondering lately about the jurisdictional limits > of the FCC vis-a-vis the Article(s) of the Constitution from > which they derive their authority. My understanding is that > the FCC is empowered under the Fed's interstate commerce > clauses. If so, how valid is their jurisdiction over low > power and/or millimeter wave transmissions. It seems a case > can be made that such transmissions represent little or no > possibility of interstate transmission." Oh dear! If interstate commerce is indeed the constitutional excuse, er, basis for the FCC (and I don't know that it is), then current doctrine would probably recognize the following as providing FCC jurisdiction over micropower stations: * Transmitter/components acquired in Interstate Commerce * Electricity used was generated in part in another state * Station owner deemed to have moved interstate to set up * Air breathed by staff moved across state lines * "Ether" inseparably integral with ether of other states Once they assert that stuff, bashing a fellow radio station employee with a burned-out klystron will be a federal crime. Come to think of it, this might be a good time for anyone in danger of being in a bar fight to make sure they are wearing clothes manufactured entirely in the same state and to drink only locally produced adult beverages. The way things have been going the entire law enforcment and criminal justice system could be co-opted by the feds, making local police just deputized body-collectors for the federal meat grinder. Freeh's wet dream, I suppose.

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Hard To Read PGP 5.5 Key
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Benjamin Chad Wienke" <woodwose(a)mailexcite.com> posted a message with the PGP 5.5 key attached below. My Eudora 3.0.3 plugin couldn't find any PGP-relevant information, though I had no problem using PGPtray's Add Key From Clipboard. PGP 5.0 indicates it's an RSA key and doesn't show anything special about it like CMR :-) - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 mQENAzRgm1kAAAEIAKuDuhI2L3bR4InCJxzaiPLtLHU+tFaD8NeVWAh+XiYme5Cp aH5oKDUVzPFoSTidYC11xB5VIXRX6yCnjk5MqX3VlKJ+hVv/4vY20ZlVBaDc8IZ5 GvrEc8+iify3OdOkh3p4FuUbT2rgV/QO8n1UPOfwpzPAF/cqznqgUHuupB6+/k1n 7y6vCMQp1GmOZP9LO6MqZOKmtzKbrBNwio+Yp+vGFv0/HDW1ZD1bIIQL+ZhEXVR7 0Px5u8yeGUer6vdmz8S44s76JPnYPGU5z7vprndc5QHMIjQY9ZUWxlvsR43s1RuZ 0r+1f35f4LhxCOyf2FLV6+hI9Rjd9Uu3rrYNJeEABRG0HFdvb2R3b3NlIDxXb29k d29zZUBkZXYubnVsbD6JARUDBRA0YJtZ9Uu3rrYNJeEBAcLbB/90co6BJRGtIrNZ 2BqiA8+VrsGQMzUfCl4cas4i+G0aKigkemW/TlbSUEF7YIk7bh/ZQ49eAGucrfM5 NICAqSSzNQx+3h2pzYn/uN5+55QOLho4PwwJw+qr31o+weuIgyoMuECNb2IZUtGn fwfC3MZtZrqwfSzoXpJRZNQCrj+lZKUc14VEJ9kcw1Vt93+E6dTPd+GgyAlcbZ9v 6thY86iTmccCDMv5tPvrAQ/buPHZif1mFs3Ii2pBZ06gpypj2vVTJ63wp5tfASZL RwfXJT3CmjiCQFpHQIGNDwZmc4YaFaFUGobI47nEJXksdTrE8o1f9ISwrDc2RZIX +VP1+pyo =7OWl - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQBUAwUBNHAMZfthU5e7emAFAQG6kAH4zcbnumeZlyG6N5jP5TLPHVQYXM82P314 su1zAC/GnrlwtAnwgN8UtlYpr+Gkz8SkIK740DCgc+PRirzfF0K6 =c1lS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:00 AM 11/16/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >Hmm -- I've been robbed at gunpoint 3 times, pistol-whipped once. The >perpetrators were all minorities; none were ever caught. Possessing a >gun at the time wouldn't have made a positive difference in any of the >cases, incidentally. (I own several guns; I am quite familiar with >guns; I no longer really have a use for them, though.) I thought Kent was a liberal suckup shill, but now I realize he is merely a stupid jackass. Unless Kent walks around in a semipermanent state of rectal defilade, having a gun in his posession WOULD have made a significant difference in each case. A certain amount of situational awareness IS required to have your gun aimed at the punk(s) before the punks get the drop on you. Anyone unable to be aware of their surroundings deserves whatever they get--natural selection removing stupid genes from the pool and all that. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNG/tXPVLt662DSXhAQF89Qf+PDc57MywdPm+Fq3UxUekkbwRs9Ltp8bo 1owPCO2Ea3rBTm7+sWBklDNbNc2RXA0Id6BZv3PDxkJtKvimsMiaQ9jfxk/x+tts jNpZWSJnN3AJWdsqF1t9nD7A6cVl/MAS5gC6A16rNcG1IKVCB4Om6kD9e1Dc+d1W ynzUxEQ7y0xbs5YnZvZtDSHjTPSSGEIDThBQMkuhXVH8Uy7MCTbLMhG9Y3alF+ET ydxVqIPxZzKWV/vBC9DC9OkOymKoL/bAoZYk85qgUSk/B6Boj6SNizN9uYaUNB4n eNtW4FL/tSuPxjJyDDZhyEiMGvvkjD4TawTTtOXWMt4lPHeTnjKuoQ== =wGpo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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