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Re: the best justice money can buy --Lessig (fwd)
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) wrote: >So do I, and I bet both our incomes combined doesn't add up to 15 minutes of >Bill G's and it won't. Of course not, because Bill has jackbooted copyright enforcers to subsidise his corporation. Without them his income would be dramatically reduced. >From a market perspective we're flies on the back of >great elephant. Please be so kind as to describe how and why this marketing >mechanism (copyleft) will succed? Uh, I said copyright should be abolished, you said noone would write software, I said that Linux disproved that claim. How is this relevant to that discussion? Of course it's not going to take over when companies can get billions of dollars of subsidies in the form of copyright enforcement, but it clearly shows that without copyright people will produce better software than Microsfot has ever written. >I've been using and supporting Linux since >1993 (SSZ is listed as a source site in the back of 'Running Linux' since >day one) in this manner neither I or anyone else has gotten rich. Exactly. So tell us how Bill would have become a billionaire without copyright? >It's copyrighted in the important sense in that it uses the copyright to >enforce its conditions. That is just as important as the marketing decisions >made by it. All it enforces is source-code distribution (and I've yet to hear of a single case where it's ever been used). That's important to the developers, but not to the average user. The situation would be little changed in a world with no copyright, because if anyone did try to keep their source secret anyone who got a copy could freely distribute it. I'm truly amazed to find all these pro-copyright views on the list, when cypherpunks have been at the forefront of creating technologies to make it unenforceable and obsolete. Mark

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by eureka＠eureka.abc-web.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Laptop TEMPEST (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Laptop TEMPEST > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:07:23 +0000 > From: Markus Kuhn <Markus.Kuhn(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> > Jim Choate wrote on 1998-02-09 06:57 UTC: > > Doesn't the FCC have to test the RF emissions of all laptops as well as > > monitors for sale as Class A and Class B in the US? Shouldn't that material > > be available? I searched the main site, www.fcc.gov, but didn't find > > anything regarding this. > > I suspect that FCC material is not helpful with regard to Tempest. As to calculating a realistic estimate of range to intercept, I disagree strongly. > Results of such EMI tests only measure the general power spectrum > emitted by a device. Of interest for Tempest purposes however is > not the power spectrum, but the spectrum of the cross-correlation I am aware of how to do Tempest in practice as well as in theory. The process goes something like this. The first target is the vertical retrace. This signal is usualy the strongest because the voltage required (and hence the dv/dt) is the largest to sling that e-beam from the lower right to the upper left. It usualy resides in the 50-70Hz range. The next target is the horizontal retrace. It slews the beam from the right edge of the display to the left in order to start another trace. You can use this signal to syn both the vertical retrace steps (in order to move the beam down verticaly to start another trace) as well as the ramp that is required to slew the beam across the screen to write the pixes. Once these 4 signals are aquired and fed to the appropriate control terminals of a CRT you are ready to begin decoding the actual trace data for each line of the display. This is the hardest since the actual modulation of the e-beam is done via a screen grid (who said tube theory was out of date?) and that signal is quite small and generaly has a cardoid emission pattern aligned axialy along the central axis of the CRT tube. So if given a choise you want your antenna to be behind the viewer in line with the display. It is of some import to note that larger displays are easier to aquire usable signals from since the distances the e-beam is slewed and as a result the control voltages are much larger. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Washington on the verge of being nuked?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David Honig <honig(a)otc.net> writes: > The water supply systems of LA are easy targets for causing civil > disruption, too. Don't know about LA, but New York City gets its water supplies from open reservoirs upstate - a terrorist's dream. > > Lewinsky for President '2012 Vote for Monica - get a free blow job. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: rec.guns et.al. blocked by censorware
by Animal Protection League 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:22 PM 2/8/98 -0800, Tim May wrote: >At 3:02 PM -0800 2/8/98, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >>rec.games.mecha Giant robot games. (Moderated) Quest/Illegal/Gamble >>Violence/Profanity Intol > >Perhaps the strategy should be to post material to other newsgroups to get >them blocked as well. (Though I expect the blocking is not being done using >robots to monitor for illegal words, as rec.guns would not have been >blocked this way. Rather, the cyber nannies are probably using their "PC >judgment" to block groups they don't like. You need to consider that rec.games.mecha is primarily a dumbed down alt.flame and includes postings from that obnoxious avowed 300 pound communist bisexual converted jew Camille Klein (she claims she is down to 275 lbs.). I wouldn't my kids to read her garbage posts.

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Interview with the man who creamed Bill Gates
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Interview with the man who creamed Bill Gates Is at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1733,00.html -Declan

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Godin Interview - Bill G's pie in the eye [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/textonly/1,1035,1733,00.html > Today's News Let's pie! Let's pie! Nincompoop guys! > by Hugues Henry February 9, 1998 > > Until last week, Noel Godin was relatively unknown in the United > States. A 52-year-old Belgian author, film historian, actor ("The > Sexual Life of the Belgians"), writer ("Cream and Punishment") and > "entarteur" (a Godin coinage that roughly translates as "encaker" or > "pie-er"), Godin led the gang that gave to Bill Gates what so many of > us only dream of: a big wet pie in the face. The attack took place at > the entrance of Le Concert Noble on Arlon Street in Brussels and was > widely reported in the press. > > Godin doesn't own a computer and didn't even know what a URL is. > His girlfriend, however, uses a PC. (This interview was conducted and > translated by Hugues Henry.) > > The Netly News: Who are you, Noel Godin? > > Noel Godin: I'm part of a gang of bad hellions that have declared the > pie war on all the unpleasant celebrities in every kind of domain > (slogan: "Let's pie! Let's pie! Nincompoop guys!"). We began to act > against "empty" celebrities from the artistic world who were thinking > they were the cat's whiskers. Then we attacked the TV news business in > France, for instance, Patrick Poivre D'Arvor [a famous French TV > presenter]. Then it became political with Philippe Douste-Blazy in > Cannes, the French minister of culture, or the other French minister > Nicolas Sarkozy last year in Brussels. > > NN When did you first pie someone? > > Godin: In November 1969, with French writer Marguerite Duras, who > represented for us the "empty" novel. > > NN Why did you choose Bill Gates? > > Godin: Because in a way he is the master of the world, and then > because he's offering his intelligence, his sharpened imagination and > his power to the governments and to the world as it is today -- that > is to say gloomy, unjust and nauseating. He could have been a utopist, > but he prefers being the lackey of the establishment. His power is > effective and bigger than that of the leaders of the governments, who > are only many-colored servants. So Bill Gates was at the top of our > lists of victims. The attack against him is symbolic, it's against > hierarchical power itself. Our war cry was explicit: "Let's pie! Let's > pie the polluting lolly!" [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rec.guns et.al. blocked by censorware
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>That the "cyber nannies" are blocking it (and other similarly nonsexual, >nonprofane newsgroups) is exactly what was expected. These cyber nannies >become tools for political correctness. > >Perhaps the strategy should be to post material to other newsgroups to get >them blocked as well. (Though I expect the blocking is not being done using >robots to monitor for illegal words, as rec.guns would not have been >blocked this way. Rather, the cyber nannies are probably using their "PC >judgment" to block groups they don't like. These companies are attempting to provide the services desired by their customers. These are generally cautious, conservative parents who want to allow their young children access to the internet without them stumbling over dangerous or disturbing information. Like it or not, many parents are very protective of their children. We have no right to force our own views of childrearing on them. The filtering companies are filling a legitimate need in the marketplace. They are not evil and they are not trying to prevent adults from viewing the material they desire via their own personal accounts. They give concerned parents a sense of safety in allowing their children to use the internet, and in that way allow young people access to the net who would not otherwise be allowed to use it.

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New Security Paradigm Workshop '98 Call For Papers
by Mary Ellen Zurko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

======================================================================== Call For Papers New Security Paradigms Workshop '98 A workshop sponsored by ACM 22 - 25 September 1998 ======================================================================== Paradigm shifts disrupt the status quo, destroy outdated ideas and open the way to new possibilities. This workshop explores deficiencies of current computer security paradigms and examines radical new models that address those deficiencies. Previous years' workshops have identified problematic aspects of traditional security paradigms and explored a variety of possible alternatives. Participants have discussed alternative models for access control, intrusion detection, new definitions of security, privacy and trust, biological and economic models of security and a wide variety of other topics. The 1998 workshop will strike a balance between building on the foundations laid in past years and exploring new directions. To participate, please submit the following, preferably via e-mail, to both Program Chairs (Mary Ellen Zurko and Steven J. Greenwald) by Friday, 3-April-1998. 1 - Your Paper You should submit either a research paper, a 5 - 10 page position paper or a discussion topic proposal. Softcopy submissions should be in Postscript or ASCII format. Papers may besubmitted in hardcopy. To submit hardcopy, please mail five (5) copies to Program co-chair Steven Greenwald. Please allow adequate time for delivery. The hardcopy deadline is 27-March-1998. Discussion topic proposals should include a description of the topic to be discussed, a pro and con position statement on the topic, identification of the parties who will uphold each position, any assurances that the participants agree to attend, and any other information that the proposer thinks would support their proposal (such as who will moderate). One potential topic for discussion is "Is there a current security paradigm?". 2 - Justification You should describe, in one page or less, why you think your paper is appropriate for the New Security Paradigms Workshop. A good justification will describe which aspects of the status-quo security paradignm your paper challenges or rejects and which new model or models your paper proposes or extends. 3 - Attendance Statement You should state how many authors wish to attend the workshop and should indicate whether at least one author will be able to attend for the entire duration of the workshop. The program committee will referee the papers and notify the authors of acceptance status by 12-June-1998. We expect to be able to offer a limited number of scholarships. More information will be provided on-line as it becomes available. 4 - The Workshop The workshop will offer a creative and constructive environment for approximately 25 participants. It will be held at the Boar's Head Inn in the vicinity of "historic" Charlottesville, Virginia. Steering Committee Bob Blakley, Mary Ellen Zurko, Steven J. Greenwald, Darrell Kienzle, Hilary Hosmer Workshop Co-Chairs Bob Blakley IBM 11400 Burnet Road, Mail Stop 9134 Austin, TX 78758 USA e-mail: blakley(a)us.ibm.com voice: +1 (512) 838-8133 fax: +1 (512) 838-0156 Darrell Kienzle MITRE, Mail Stop W422 1820 Dolley Madison Blvd. McLean, VA 22102 USA e-mail: kienzle(a)mitre.org voice: +1 (703) 883-5836 fax: +1 (703) 883-1397 Program Committee Co-Chairs Mary Ellen Zurko The Open Group Research Institute 11 Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142 USA e-mail: zurko(a)opengroup.org voice: +1 (617) 621-7231 fax: +1 (617) 225-2943 Steven J. Greenwald 2521 NE 135th Street North Miami, FL 33181 USA voice: +1 (305) 944-7842 fax: +1 (305) 944-5746 e-mail: sjg6(a)gate.net Program Committee Alfarez Abdul-Rahman, University College London Steven Cheung, University of California, Davis Shaw-Cheng Chuang, University of Cambridge John Dobson, University of Newcastle, UK Heather Hinton, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Canada Tom Lincoln, RAND Masahiro Mambo, Tohoku University Catherine Meadows, Naval Research Laboratory Ruth Nelson, Information System Security Thomas Riechmann, University of Erlangen-Nuernberg Marvin Schaefer, Arca Systems, Inc. Cristina Serban, AT&T Labs Anil Somayaji, University of New Mexico Brenda Timmerman, University of Southern California / ISI Ian Welch, University of Newcastle upon Tyne John Michael Williams Local Arrangements Chenxi Wang (University of Virginia) +1 (804)982-2291 Scholarships Hilary Hosmer (Data Security Inc.) +1 (781) 275-8231 Publications Marv Schaefer (ARCA Systems) +1 (410) 309-1780 Publicity Daniel Essin (University of Southern California) +1 (213) 226-3188 Treasurer/Registration Dixie Baker (SAIC) +1 (310) 615-0305 ACM-SIGSAC Chair Ravi Sandhu (George Mason University) +1 (703) 993-1659

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VanEck, Noise, & Palmtops...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Palmtops are noisy, this is bad for Van Eck. Van Eck relies on the fact that the device is emitting display signals significantly above the noise floor or that there is a method to pull that signal out of the noise. Considering the power draw of palmtops, while they are noisy they are also very low power. My guestimate on emitted rf is in the micro-watt range. That means for a succesful intercept the receiver would need to be in most situation within feet of the device. It'd be much simpler to simply ask to see the PDA because you were thinking of buying one than lugging all that obvious equipment around... If you want to defeat Van Eck you want either very quite or you want lots of noise smoothly distributed across the rf spectrum. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The obvious is sometimes false; | | The unexpected sometimes true. | | | | Anonymous | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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