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Hacker group battles child porn [c|net News, 2/2/98]
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hacker group battles child porn C|NET News.Com News Story: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,18717,00.html?st.cn.fd.tkr.news CNET Radio Interview: http://www.news.com/Radio/Index/0,55,,00.html?st.cn.fd.tb.ne By Courtney Macavinta February 2, 1998, 1:10 p.m. PT A secret society that hunts the Net to reveal the identities of alleged pedophiles and child pornographers has a message for those who think there's too much media hype about the problem: Believe what you hear. Members of a group called Ethical Hackers Against Pedophilia (EHAP - http://www.hackers.com/ehap/index2.htm) are using their high-tech cracking talents to find out the identity and physical location of people they say post child pornography within newsgroups, chat rooms, and Websites. The 17-member nonprofit group also says it tries to determine the sources of video streaming sites that feature children being sexually assaulted in real time. "The pedophiles that are distributing child pornography online are skirting the law by remaining anonymous. We decided to use the skills that we possess as hackers, engineers, and teachers to educate the public that hackers aren't all bad guys, and to help law enforcement in apprehending the child pornographers," said EHAP's secretary, "Oracle," who asked that his real name not be published. "As long as the people are arrested and the kids aren't hurt anymore, every one of us is willing to accept responsibility for our actions as long as one kid is helped," he added. EHAP may go so far as to dig up the Social Security numbers of people it suspects are producing and distributing child porn on the Net. Under the guise of a confidential informant, EHAP then passes on these details to various law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI. It's virtually impossible to know if EHAP's tips have led to any investigations or arrests, though the group says its information has been put to work. Still, its vigilante tactics raise privacy concerns, as well as serious questions about law enforcement's possible use of information that could have been obtained illegally. According to the FBI, the Net increasingly is being used to lure children to physical meetings, which could lead to abduction or abuse, and there has been a boom in child pornography being trafficked online. These acts violate federal law. During two congressional hearings last year, FBI officials told lawmakers they are working to stop the rise in these illegal acts through the bureau's Crimes Against Children initiative. "The FBI has investigated more than 70 cases involving pedophiles traveling to meet undercover agents or officers posing as juveniles for the purpose of engaging in an illicit sexual relationship," Stephen Wiley, chief of the FBI's violent crime and major offenders section, testified in November before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime. The FBI has launched other special programs, such as Innocent Images, in which agents go online and portray themselves as children and crack down on those who solicit encounters with them. The program, which is run by the Baltimore, Maryland, FBI field office, also serves as a clearinghouse for tips and information regarding suspected online crimes against children. The program was started in 1994 after local agents uncovered an online child porn ring while searching for an abducted boy. The 13-year-old boy, George Burdynski of Prince Georges County, Maryland, has never been found. But the program has lead to more than 90 arrests as well as the development of online crime fighting techniques. For instance, in October, three Californians were collectively sentenced to 60 years in prison for running the so-called Orchid Club, an international service that used the Net to distribute child pornography to its members. Despite growing efforts by the FBI and organizations such as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, EHAP says its private campaign is vital, as these agencies don't have the full-time resources to combat online child pornography. EHAP also readily admits that it would be unconstitutional for law enforcement to use some of its methods. "We're extremely careful about who we hack. There are so many people trading child porn out there, but we go after the people who are producing the material. That's who we hunt," Oracle said. "Law enforcement are restricted in ways we're not--but I'm not saying that we break the law." EHAP is not the first group to use its own devices in an effort to assist law enforcement in tracking down people who they suspect use the Net to perpetrate crimes. For example, a worldwide network of Internet users known as the CyberAngels provide online safety tips and work with law enforcement to stop the trading of online pornography. Other Net users have been known to shut down chat rooms or flame those who they deem pedophiles or sexual predators. CyberAngels doesn't support the electronic harassment of others. EHAP keeps its methods confidential. "Although we would appreciate any information these individuals may have, to violate the law to get the information is not acceptable," said George Grotz, a spokesman for the FBI's San Francisco office. "But how many pedophiles would come to us and say their site had been broken into?" Still, the FBI and other child protection agencies say they need all the help they can get. "Here in the San Francisco office, we have neither the time or resources to surf the Net looking for child pornography," Grotz added. "That said, we do respond aggressively when information is brought to our attention from outside sources, or if we develop information during the process of another investigation." The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is supported by the Justice Department, also expanded its efforts to encompass online activity. As announced in December at the White House-endorsed Children's Internet Summit in Washington, the center will launch a Web site on March 1 to collect tips regarding online child porn and suspected crimes against children. "It's a huge problem that is as new as the Internet. For law enforcement, it's not easy to handle," Todd Mitchell, program advocate for the exploited child unit, said today. "Parents can't leave their child in front of a computer for hours and hours where they can stumble upon pornography or be solicited in a chat room. They have to teach their kids some safety guidelines," he said. Regarding private citizens' groups such as EHAP and CyberAngels, he said there are legitimate concerns, but that community activism is needed. "If they work in conjunction with law enforcement, it can be something that is a nice partnership between law enforcement and the community. If they take the law into their own hands, it could do more harm that good," Mitchell said. [EOF] -- For more information about EHAP, go to http://www.hackers.com/ehap/index2.htm or send email to ehap(a)hackers.com Regards, TATTOOMAN Vice President of Ethical Hackers Against Pedophilia http://www.hackers.com/ehap/ ehap(a)hackers.com http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/

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BULK EMAIL FOR PROFIT
by tulii＠ak.planet.gen.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Bush Gang Suspected In Assault On Presidency
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Mon Feb 2 22:33:28 1998 > > Anonymous <remailer(a)htp.org> writes: > > > dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) writes: > > > > > Also laRouche has a math ph.d. as does Ted Kachynzki. Do you know any > > > other kookie math PhDs around here? > > > > I heard a certain Dr. Vulis <spit> got his degree in mathematics. > > You heard right. And you know what oranization is by far the biggest > employer of math phds... The Neurotic Society of Assholes. ---guy [Vulis replied to himself (what a loser!), I couldn't help myself]

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Bork
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Jim Bell Update
by ghio＠temp0207.myriad.ml.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Bell wrote: > "I think that one last (temporary) hope for government is to delay AP. > Chances are good that the "think tank" decided thatt the best way to delay > AP is to discredit me, its author. It was a desperate gamble, particularly > because the act of harrassing me automatically gives AP more publicity. > That's the reason they will fail; the more they try to "get" me, the worse > it will be for them." The government already has plans for dealing with AP (what do you think all those secret service guys in DC are supposed to be doing?) Whether AP is inevitable or not, if people don't know where you are, they can't come kill you. This is why privacy is so important in the digital era. Of course, there are still nukes, but as has been pointed out already many times, the use of a nuclear weapon is likely to kill more friends than enemies.

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Re: Memory Management (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:01:16 -0600 > From: Stu Green <stugreen(a)bga.com> > Subject: Re: Memory Management > > > I would imagine that the OS would keep a disk map in memory and > > > mark it with a flag to indicate if it's been paged into memory. > > > > This is a function of the "Look Aside Buffer" and the actual operation is a > > bit more complicated. > Jim - I'm familiar with the 'translation look aside'buffers > on > RISC chips, especially on the MIPS where it provides a > method > of managing cache flushes and reloads on writes and does act > like a page fault to intiate the writes. I haved seen TLBs > associated with disk operations, but that don't mean shit to > a > tree. It turns out, I've been doing more reading on vmm on NT, that the model that's implimented in NT is a hybrid of the MIPS 4000 model and the 386 model. That rationale is that this allows the actual code in the HAL to be much smaller by taking advantage of the different hardware aspects of the cpu architetures (this means speed). Don't know if I am going to get this right since I still haven't figured out all the intricacies. But this is what I *think* is going on (in NT)... The TLB (Translation Lookaside Buffer) is used in NT to determine if the page frame is currently in memory or swapped out. It does this by marking a frame 'invalid' if it's swapped out and listing it's actual page frame number if it's a valid page. Invalid does *not* mean that it can't still be in memory. The reason is that each process has a 'Page Frame Directory' which lists all the valid Page Table Pages for that process. Each of these Page Table Pages lists where each Page Frame Page is within that processes memory map (and that's a whole nother issue with various parts being pageable and non-pageable as well as system or user level). Each Page Frame Page knowns where the individual pages are (ie in memory or swapped out). There is a rather tedious mechanism that translates the virtual addresses to PFD's, PTP's, and finaly to PFP's. That's what I'm trying to get a handle on now. Now these various page related structures get quite big and themselves need to be swapped out. So there is a level of recursion in here. There is also a Page Table Page structure called a 'Prototype PTE Address' (a PTE is a Page Table Entry - ie a valid page frame, these things seem to have several different names making it confusing to follow at times) which is used to allow processes to share a PTE across PFD's. Once we get to a PTE we actualy have a 4k chunk of code or data that a cpu can operate on/with. So, there is where I'm at right now... Hope that makes it clear as mud. Naslajdyatciya! ps. I am enjoying my Toshiba 445CDX, it's a pretty cool machine. Anyone got any suggestions on a PCMCIA ethernet card? pss. Next Saturday is the 1st Saturday in Feb. so the Dallas 1st. Saturday Sale will be going on. Anyone interested? It's basicaly about 20 sq. blocks of computer equipment of every make, model, and age imaginable as well as lots of other stuff (time before last some guy had Cobra Helicopter IR cameras for $500 ea., would make a great IR telescope.). We usualy leave Saturday morning around 2am and get there a bit before 7am. The sale usualy starts about midnite Friday nite and goes until Saturday evening. The best deals are early Saturday morning (my experience over about 5 years of going anyway). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Airline ticket information -- help
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Just as an example, call USAir at 1-800-428-4322, press 1 for automated > service. It will give you options to check scheduled flights and > departure times. After you find the flight number, select the option to > confirm your reservation or select a seat. It will ask for your frequent > flyer account number, but if you don't enter one, the helpful computer > will let you enter the passenger's last name instead. I figured you could probably BS such info out of a helpful customer service agent, but this is just too fucking easy. Now I know why Kaczynski wanted to bomb all those airlines and computer companies. I wish he'd gotten these idiots.

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Exon oxen gored
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Exon and his ilk have loose bowels and bladder control problems. They shit all over the populace and urinate all over the Constitution.

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by Mail Delivery Subsystem 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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