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swastika
by Harmon Seaver 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Ah, now I finally understand why the PRC is so down on the Falun Gong. 8-) http://www.falundafa.org/eng/falun.htm -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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by Adam Lydick 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

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Re: FW: [IP] FBI Issues Alert Against Almanac Carriers
by Freematt357＠aol.com 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

In a message dated 12/30/2003 10:36:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com writes: > My first thought on reading this was that it was from > The Onion, but its real. > > I guess being well-informed is now a cause for suspicion, > as it was in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. > > Peter Trei > You know if the "terrorists" didn't know they could use an almanac to plan attacks, they do now. Regards, Matt-

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FW: [IP] FBI Issues Alert Against Almanac Carriers
by Trei, Peter 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

My first thought on reading this was that it was from The Onion, but its real. I guess being well-informed is now a cause for suspicion, as it was in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Peter Trei -----Original Message----- From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave@farber.net] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:03 PM To: ip(a)v2.listbox.com Subject: [IP] FBI Issues Alert Against Almanac Carriers FBI Issues Alert Against Almanac Carriers December 29, 2003 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 7:43 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI is warning police nationwide to be alert for people carrying almanacs, cautioning that the popular reference books covering everything from abbreviations to weather trends could be used for terrorist planning. In a bulletin sent Christmas Eve to about 18,000 police organizations, the FBI said terrorists may use almanacs ``to assist with target selection and pre-operational planning.'' It urged officers to watch during searches, traffic stops and other investigations for anyone carrying almanacs, especially if the books are annotated in suspicious ways. ``The practice of researching potential targets is consistent with known methods of al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations that seek to maximize the likelihood of operational success through careful planning,'' the FBI wrote. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the bulletin this week and verified its authenticity. ``For local law enforcement, it's just to help give them one more piece of information to raise their suspicions,'' said David Heyman, a terrorism expert for the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. ``It helps make sure one more bad guy doesn't get away from a traffic stop, maybe gives police a little bit more reason to follow up on this.'' The FBI noted that use of almanacs or maps may be innocent, ``the product of legitimate recreational or commercial activities.'' But it warned that when combined with suspicious behavior -- such as apparent surveillance -- a person with an almanac ``may point to possible terrorist planning.'' ``I don't think anyone would consider us a harmful entity,'' said Kevin Seabrooke, senior editor of The World Almanac. He said the reference book includes about a dozen pages out of its 1,000 pages total listing the world's tallest buildings and bridges but includes no diagrams or architectural schematics. ``It's stuff that's widely available on the Internet,'' he said. The publisher for The Old Farmers Almanac said Monday terrorists would probably find statistical reference books more useful than the collections of Americana in his famous publication of weather predictions and witticisms. ``While we doubt that our editorial content would be of particular interest to people who would wish to do us harm, we will certainly cooperate to the fullest with national authorities at any level they deem appropriate,'' publisher John Pierce said. The FBI said information typically found in almanacs that could be useful for terrorists includes profiles of cities and states and information about waterways, bridges, dams, reservoirs, tunnels, buildings and landmarks. It said this information is often accompanied by photographs and maps. The FBI urged police to report such discoveries to the local U.S. Joint Terrorism Task Force. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-FBI-Almanacs.html?ex=1073745956& ei=1&en=04d038b602802322 Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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by Harmon Seaver 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

Hmm, maybe Eric needs to undo his spam filter so people can unsub from lne.com. I just tried to, but it was rejected as undeliverable "spam". Tried sending it thru a remailer but don't know if majordomo will go for that. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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Microsoft publicly announces Penny Black PoW postage project
by Steve Schear 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3324883.stm Adam Back is part of this team, I think. Similar approach to Camram/hahscash. Memory-based approaches have been discussed. Why hasn't Camram explored them? steve BTW, Penny Black stamp was only used briefly. It was the Penny Red which was used for decades. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)metzdowd.com

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by John Washburn 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

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Re: Singers jailed for lyrics
by Tyler Durden 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

"Neither is the United States, of course, where US citizens are free to join the Israeli army, and commit atrocities in the illegally occupied territories, but face prison for "terrorism" if they support the oppressed Palestinians and play paintball with their friends on weekends." No real argument here. Moreover, if I "support" (even if only verbally) Palestinian control over Israel, I'm "Anti Semitic" even though the Palestinians are semites, and the Ashkenazi only marginally semitic (they LOOK awfully European to me).* However, I doubt I'll go to jail...now. If Bush gets re-elected, then who knows. As for Germany, for me at least the same government that's forbidding swastikas today in an effort to eliminate "hate" may one day utilize that same power to warp & weave official history (like in Japan and their antics in China from 37 to 45), and all of a sudden everyone is seeing terrorists everywhere who are trying to "steal our freedoms", rather than understanding that if 10 men with families gave their lives to kill 3000 of us, it's at least fair to say that they're rather upset about SOMETHING... At the same time, remember that the Holocaust happened in Germany. And if you were German and realized that your own father was at least partially responsible for baking hundreds of Jews, well...let's just say that would probably weird you out a bit. -TD * I'd note that some of the most outspoken "Anti semites" in this category happen to be Jewish: Bobby Fisher, Noam Chomsky, Michael Albert and others. >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Re: Singers jailed for lyrics >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:19:27 -0800 (PST) > >Tyler Durden wrote: > > > Yes...because we Americans have only had one government, we tend to >equate > > "legality" with morality, and then assume the discussion is over. No >doubt > > that causes us to look at laws "over there" as being far more important >than > > they really are...at least some times. > >The laws "over there" would only lack importance if they were universally >ignored. > >But they aren't ignored, and they ruin peoples lives, and deprive them of >freedom >and property everytime someone in some protected class claims to have been >offended. > >When a Jew in Germany gives material support to Israel's reign of terror >against the >Palestinian people, and someone criticizes it, German law puts the person >criticizing >it in jail because he made the Jew feel bad. > >A civilized country would put the Beanie-Headed Land Grabber in jail, and >give the >critic a medal. > >Germany is not a civilized country. > >Neither is the United States, of course, where US citizens are free to join >the >Israeli army, and commit atrocities in the illegally occupied territories, >but >face prison for "terrorism" if they support the oppressed Palestinians and >play >paintball with their friends on weekends. > >Naziism is National Socialism. Neoconservatism is National Capitalism. > >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

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lne.com CDR to close
by Eric Murray 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

The lne.com CDR node will stop accepting new subscriptions on Jan 1 2004, and will stop forwarding cypherpunks mail on Jan 15. There are other nodes currently and hopefully more will announce themselves. I've learned a lot on the cpunks list over the last 10 years and I'd like to thank some of the people whose writing I've enjoyed: Lucky Green, Black Unicorn, Declan McCullagh, Tim May, John Gilmore. Eric

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RE: Singers jailed for lyrics
by Trei, Peter 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: >At 07:48 PM 12/26/2003 -0500, Michael Kalus wrote: >> >> Certain symbols (e.g. Swastika) are forbidden as well. >> > Are there exceptions for Buddhists and Amerinds? Moron. >>All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons >>(if not the reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D". >As Tim pointed out, the Swastika symbol had long use before the >Nazis picked it up. I remember going into a temple in Guangzhou China >which had three large Buddha statues with it on their chests, >and some of the Native American cultures prominently weave it >into baskets. In Asia it tends to be a sun symbol, >or sometimes a moon symbol depending on which way it's pointing; >in the Americas it tends to be a whirlwind symbol. Vaguely related.... I used to live in upper Manhattan. One of the subway stops I used was the 190th on the IND ("A" train). This burrows deep under Washington Heights, and has two entrances - a long tunnel which slopes *down* from the station to an exit near Broadway, and an elevator up to Fort Washington Avenue. This section of the line opened in 1932. The floor of the vestibule of the upper elevator lobby is laid with geometric patterns in red, white, and black terra cotta tiles, and when I moved there in the late 70's I was amused to note that the pattern included 4 swastikas, in black tiles against a white background, about 4 inches across. Sometime in the late 80's or early 90's, the swastikas where chisled out, and the square areas where they had been crudely filled with concrete. Ft. Washington Ave by that time had long been an area heavily populated by immigrant Russian Jews. I often wondered exactly what chain of events led to this vandalism. Peter Trei

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