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by R. A. Hettinga 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:01:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 4:43 PM -0400 6/13/04, Daniel Nexon wrote: >The quotation marks here, I assume, are a disclaimer. Liberalism is not >Marxism. Nor, for that matter, is support for social democracy. There *you* go again. :-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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by R. A. Hettinga 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:01:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 4:43 PM -0400 6/13/04, Daniel Nexon wrote: >The quotation marks here, I assume, are a disclaimer. Liberalism is not >Marxism. Nor, for that matter, is support for social democracy. There *you* go again. :-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CIA intelligence info
by Rich Byrne 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

can you order the consumer's guide to intelligence if it is still available? thx http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1996/01/msg00084.html -- Rich Byrne Executive Resource Director, CAFC2S Serving the Nation Through Technical Excellence And Strategic Partnerships

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[Fwd: CIA intelligence info]
by Nancy A. MacLeod 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Is this something we can order for Rich? using the same project number? Nancy

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9/11 Legislation Launches Misguided Data-Mining and Domestic
by Gregory Hicks 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Surveillance Schemes Reply-To: Gregory Hicks <ghicks(a)cadence.com> From the EFFector 17.45 (21 Dec 04) 9/11 Legislation Launches Misguided Data-Mining and Domestic Surveillance Schemes On Friday, President Bush signed into law the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (IRTPA), launching several flawed "security" schemes that EFF has long opposed. The media has focused on turf wars between the intelligence and defense communities, but the real story is how IRTPA trades basic rights for the illusion of security. For instance: ~ Section 1016 - a.k.a. "TIA II" ~ A clause authorizing the creation of a massive "Information Sharing Environment" (ISE) to link "all appropriate Federal, State, local, and tribal entities, and the private sector." This vast network would link the information in public and private databases, posing the same kind of threat to our privacy and freedom that the notorious Terrorism Information Awareness (TIA) program did. Yet the IRTPA contains no meaningful safeguards against unchecked data mining other than directing the President to issue guidelines. It also includes a definition of "terrorist information" that is frighteningly broad. ~ Section 4012 and Sections 7201-7220 - a.k.a. "CAPPS III" ~ A number of provisions that provide the statutory basis for "Secure Flight," the government's third try at a controversial passenger-screening system that has consistently failed to pass muster for protecting passenger privacy. The basic concept: the government will force commercial air carriers to hand over your private travel information and compare it with a "consolidated and integrated terrorist watchlist." It will also establish a massive "counterterrorist travel intelligence" infrastructure that calls for travel data mining ("recognition of travel patterns, tactics, and behavior exhibited by terrorists"). It's not clear how the government would use the travel patterns of millions of Americans to catch the small number of individuals worldwide who are planning terrorist attacks. In fact, this approach has been thoroughly debunked by security experts. (See <http://www.schneier.com/essay-052.html>.) What is clear is that the system will create fertile ground for constitutional violations and the abuse of private information. The latest Privacy Act notice on Secure Flight shows that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) still doesn't have a plan for how long the government will keep your private information, nor has it mapped out adequate procedures for correcting your "file" if you are wrongly flagged as a terrorist. ~ Section 6001 - a.k.a. "PATRIOT III" ~ Straight from the infamous "PATRIOT II" draft legislation leaked to the public last year comes a provision that allows the government to use secret foreign intelligence warrants and wiretap orders against people unconnected to any international terrorist group or foreign nation. This represents yet another step in the ongoing destruction of even the most basic legal protections for those whom the government suspects are terrorists. ~ Sections 7208-7220 - a.k.a. "Papers, Please" ~ Just as EFF, the ACLU, and a number of other civil liberties groups feared, IRTPA creates the basis for a de facto national ID system using biometrics. Driven by misguided political consensus, the law calls for a "global standard of identification" and minimum national standards for birth certificates, driver's licenses and state ID cards, and Social Security cards and numbers. It also directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish new standards for ID for domestic air travelers. Identification is not security. Indeed, the 9/11 Commission report revealed that a critical stumbling block in identifying foreign terrorists is the inability to evaluate *foreign* information and records. Yet we are placing disproportionate emphasis on domestic surveillance, opening the door to a standardized "internal passport" - the hallmark of a totalitarian regime. For this piece online: <http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/002172.php> For the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (IRTPA): <http://news.findlaw.com/usatoday/docs/terrorism/irtpa2004.pdf> If you care about preserving your privacy and basic constitutional freedoms, help us fight the good fight by joining EFF today: <https://secure.eff.org/> ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as eugen(a)leitl.org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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[IP] 9/11 Legislation Launches Misguided Data-Mining and Domestic
by David Farber 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Surveillance Schemes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Reply-To: dave(a)farber.net Begin forwarded message:

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[Politech] Senate backs away from Real ID Act [priv]
by Declan McCullagh 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

So the U.S. Senate on Wednesday took a surprisingly anti-Real ID Act stand in a vote related to the immigration bill being debated this week. The proceduralia is a little complex: fans of Real ID tried to table (that is, kill) an anti-Real ID amendment sponsored by Baucus and Tester. That vote failed by 45 to 52. An article I wrote is here: http://news.com.com/2100-7348_3-6193735.html A list of the amendments with page numbers is here: http://politechbot.com/docs/senate.immigration.amendment.list.062707.txt You can see that the Baucus-Tester amendment starts on page 131, so go to that page in this PDF: http://politechbot.com/docs/senate.immigration.amendments.062707.pdf This is the underlying bill it's amending (search for Real ID, including in section 302): http://politechbot.com/docs/senate.immigration.bill.s1639.kennedy.specter.0… This is preliminary, true, but it's refreshing to see some skepticism about Real ID in what purports to be the world's greatest deliberative body. A press release follows. -Declan ---- June 27, 2007 BAUCUS, TESTER HALT IMMIGRATION DEBATE Senators' Measure To Get Rid Of REAL ID Stalls Sweeping Immigration Bill (WASHINGTON, D.C.) - Montana Sens. Max Baucus and Jon Tester brought the debate over immigration reform to a grinding halt today on the Senate floor. After opponents of Baucus and Tester's amendment to strike REAL ID requirements failed to muster a majority of votes, debate on the controversial immigration bill came to a standstill. Baucus and Tester's provision strikes language from the immigration bill that requires employers to check the eligibility of their prospective employees only using identification documents that comply with REAL ID, a federal mandate the Montana senators say amounts to a national ID system. Opponents failed to kill the Baucus-Tester amendment today on a thin 45-52 vote. It wasn't immediately clear what effect the vote will have on the underlying bill, but opponents have called the provisions a "deal breaker" as it relates to the whole immigration bill. Baucus said he thinks the vote is a "death knell to a bad immigration bill." Senate business, which was early slated to extend into Wednesday evening, halted for the night after the controversial Baucus-Tester vote. "We scored a major victory today in our efforts to protect privacy and defeat a bad immigration bill at the same time," said Baucus, Montana's senior U.S. Senator. "If Jon and I just brought down the entire bill, that's good for Montana and the country." REAL ID requires states to standardize their driver's licenses and build costly new databases that the federal government can access, essentially creating a national ID system. Earlier this year, the Montana Legislature unanimously passed legislation refusing to implement the program because it invades privacy and can expose private information to identity thieves, and because of its enormous cost. Tester, a member of the Senate Homeland Security Committee and a staunch supporter of privacy rights, said REAL ID isn't needed to toughen national security. "If by fighting to keep government out of people's private lives, Max Baucus and I stopped the senate from passing this flawed immigration bill, then this was a real victory for Montana and the American people," Tester said. Baucus and Tester cited several other reasons for their amendment: * Employers don't need REAL ID to verify the eligibility of their employees. They currently check eligibility using existing documents, such as birth certificates, a drivers license, or a passport. * More and more states are rejecting the REAL ID Act. Fifteen other states in addition to Montana have enacted legislation opposing or refusing to implement the program. * The immigration bill only authorizes $1.5 billion for REAL ID, although estimates put the actual cost for states as high as $23 billion. -30- _______________________________________________ Politech mailing list Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: Bitcoin And The Electronic Frontier Foundation
by TheGravitator 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Its not all i7's, only the i7-980X (extreme series) about $1000. Here's the benchmarks - see the AES256 results http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-phenom-ii-x6-efficiency,26… Of course, the i5 also had this, but it is still slower. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i3-530-overclock-lga-1156,2626-6.h… ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anon Mus" <my.green.lantern(a)googlemail.com> To: <or-talk(a)freehaven.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Bitcoin And The Electronic Frontier Foundation > Kyle Williams wrote: > > Coderman sent this to me, and I'm a little upset because the extra > > $60.00/month for 0 bitcoins is very annoying. I have since stopped > > trying to generate bitcoins, because it's just wasting electricity. > > More comment inline below debating this point. > > > > > > For those who are wondering if it's worth trying to generate bitcoins, > > here is something to think about. > > I've had a single Quad-Core (2.6GHz/core, 12MB L2 cache) server > > crunching on bitcoins for about 6 months now. About 2-3 months ago, > > it stopped generating bitcoins. > > Someone is out there with a lot of GPU's, crunching away at the > > bitcoin network and is hording/generating all the bitcoins. I say > > this because the amount of chatter on the bitcoin forums in regards to > > GPUs vs CPUs has exploded, and new GPU clients are being released. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Jeffrey Paul <sneak(a)datavibe.net <mailto:sneak@datavibe.net>> > > Date: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:22 AM > > Subject: Re: Bitcoin And The Electronic Frontier Foundation > > To: coderman <coderman(a)gmail.com <mailto:coderman@gmail.com>> > > Cc: Sarad AV <jtrjtrjtr2001(a)yahoo.com > > <mailto:jtrjtrjtr2001@yahoo.com>>, Eugen Leitl <eugen(a)leitl.org > > <mailto:eugen@leitl.org>>, > > cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net <mailto:cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > On 15 Nov, 2010, at 19:19 , coderman wrote: > > > > > > > > the cuda cards are killing bitcoin, why bother? > > > > > > (i suppose it is an interesting footnote...) > > > > > > > > Nothing could be further from the truth. Mining/Minting operations > > have little/nothing to do with the viability of the network itself. > > > > > > That's correct, it has to do with the number of operations per second > > you CPU/GPU can do. The network is based on the number of supporters. > > Apple's and oranges. > > > > > > It's a novel way of dealing with inflation, but, if anything, the easy > > availability of cheap and fast GPUs is accelerating adoption. > > > > > > You're twisting facts together here, again apple's and orange's. > > Inflation aside, GPUs will generate bitcoins much, much faster than a > > CPU. > > > > > > > > Opportunists will quickly drive the profit from generating down to > > almost exactly that of the power costs, but that's to be expected. > > > > > > No, the value of bitcoins starts to be cut in half as the more > > bitcoins are generated. > > > > "The number of blocks times the coin value of a block. The coin value > > is 50 bc per block for the first 210,000 blocks, 25 bc for the next > > 210,000 blocks, then 12.5 bc, 6.25 bc and so on." > > -- http://www.bitcoin.org/faq#What-s_the_current_total_amount_of_Bitcoins_in_e… > > > > So when the value of BTC's starts to be cut in half, and with > > INFLATION now at a record high, the cost of electricity is NOT GOING DOWN. > > Hence, the chance of you generating bitcoins will go down because a > > CPU can not compete with someone else's GPU, more power/electricity is > > being used to generate (or not generate) bitcoins, and after the last > > six month's of running bitcoin, I haven't generated a single block in > > over two months because someone has already cornered this market with > > GPU's. > > > > They are also the driving force behind a free market. Or do you think > > they are killing those, too? :) > > > > > > Of course someone quotes the "free market" when they have a large > > corner of it. Free market's always FAIL when someone is hording all > > the (bit)coins, and while it may support free market's, it certainly > > is not a fair market today. If 2,000,000 bitcoins are spread about a > > few thousand people, and 19,000,000 coins are held by 1 person, your > > "Free Market" goes down the drain because one person could out-buy > > anyone else. > > > > One last point; by looking @ the #bitcoin channel on IRC, it shows > > that about 600 people are wasting their CPU cycles because someone has > > most likely has a cluster of GPU's working away at this. This is the > > wasted cost of TRYING to generate a bitcoin. If only one person can > > generate the block (ie, 50 Bitcoins right now), then 599 people are > > wasting their electricity and time. So the ~$60 a month (increase in > > my electric bill) * 599 = $35,940. Even if we decide to be really > > conservative (not realistic in this case) and cut this cost down by a > > tenth, it's still ~$3,594 being wasted per month while someone else > > get's the coins. How "green" or "eco-friendly" is that? > > > > Now I ask the community, If your chance of generating a bitcoin block > > for yourself is slim-to-none, would you want to waste your time and > > money trying to generate bitcoins? > > > > Don't get me wrong, I hate what is happening to the USD, and love the > > idea of crypto currency, but I see some serious flaws with bitcoin. > > He who has the biggest cluster will win the day, and leaves the rest > > of us with next to nothing. > > > > - Kyle > A few months ago I saw this as well using a dual core 2.666, but I found > a little trick which increases the coin production. Just re-boot every > 2-3 days, then you usually get a flush of coins. > > At the time I considered getting an i7, just out, which has on chip > hardwired encryption circuits. Its lightning fast on generating the > hashes and even half a dozen of these were generating bitcoins then > anyone with lesser technology doesn't stand a chance. > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/index.htm > > It sounds to me like these are now being used. Time to upgrade. It would > be interesting if anyone had experience of using the i7. > > On the question of cost. If you have a machine which already has to run > 24/7 (say a Tor node) then the extra cost of max CPU usage is about > $5-15/mo. (My dual core costs about $15/mo without bitcoin) > > > > *********************************************************************** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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Re: Bitcoin And The Electronic Frontier Foundation
by TheGravitator 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

Its not all i7's, only the i7-980X (extreme series) about $1000. Here's the benchmarks - see the AES256 results http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-phenom-ii-x6-efficiency,26… Of course, the i5 also had this, but it is still slower. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i3-530-overclock-lga-1156,2626-6.h… ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anon Mus" <my.green.lantern(a)googlemail.com> To: <or-talk(a)freehaven.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Bitcoin And The Electronic Frontier Foundation > Kyle Williams wrote: > > Coderman sent this to me, and I'm a little upset because the extra > > $60.00/month for 0 bitcoins is very annoying. I have since stopped > > trying to generate bitcoins, because it's just wasting electricity. > > More comment inline below debating this point. > > > > > > For those who are wondering if it's worth trying to generate bitcoins, > > here is something to think about. > > I've had a single Quad-Core (2.6GHz/core, 12MB L2 cache) server > > crunching on bitcoins for about 6 months now. About 2-3 months ago, > > it stopped generating bitcoins. > > Someone is out there with a lot of GPU's, crunching away at the > > bitcoin network and is hording/generating all the bitcoins. I say > > this because the amount of chatter on the bitcoin forums in regards to > > GPUs vs CPUs has exploded, and new GPU clients are being released. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Jeffrey Paul <sneak(a)datavibe.net <mailto:sneak@datavibe.net>> > > Date: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:22 AM > > Subject: Re: Bitcoin And The Electronic Frontier Foundation > > To: coderman <coderman(a)gmail.com <mailto:coderman@gmail.com>> > > Cc: Sarad AV <jtrjtrjtr2001(a)yahoo.com > > <mailto:jtrjtrjtr2001@yahoo.com>>, Eugen Leitl <eugen(a)leitl.org > > <mailto:eugen@leitl.org>>, > > cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net <mailto:cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > On 15 Nov, 2010, at 19:19 , coderman wrote: > > > > > > > > the cuda cards are killing bitcoin, why bother? > > > > > > (i suppose it is an interesting footnote...) > > > > > > > > Nothing could be further from the truth. Mining/Minting operations > > have little/nothing to do with the viability of the network itself. > > > > > > That's correct, it has to do with the number of operations per second > > you CPU/GPU can do. The network is based on the number of supporters. > > Apple's and oranges. > > > > > > It's a novel way of dealing with inflation, but, if anything, the easy > > availability of cheap and fast GPUs is accelerating adoption. > > > > > > You're twisting facts together here, again apple's and orange's. > > Inflation aside, GPUs will generate bitcoins much, much faster than a > > CPU. > > > > > > > > Opportunists will quickly drive the profit from generating down to > > almost exactly that of the power costs, but that's to be expected. > > > > > > No, the value of bitcoins starts to be cut in half as the more > > bitcoins are generated. > > > > "The number of blocks times the coin value of a block. The coin value > > is 50 bc per block for the first 210,000 blocks, 25 bc for the next > > 210,000 blocks, then 12.5 bc, 6.25 bc and so on." > > -- http://www.bitcoin.org/faq#What-s_the_current_total_amount_of_Bitcoins_in_e… > > > > So when the value of BTC's starts to be cut in half, and with > > INFLATION now at a record high, the cost of electricity is NOT GOING DOWN. > > Hence, the chance of you generating bitcoins will go down because a > > CPU can not compete with someone else's GPU, more power/electricity is > > being used to generate (or not generate) bitcoins, and after the last > > six month's of running bitcoin, I haven't generated a single block in > > over two months because someone has already cornered this market with > > GPU's. > > > > They are also the driving force behind a free market. Or do you think > > they are killing those, too? :) > > > > > > Of course someone quotes the "free market" when they have a large > > corner of it. Free market's always FAIL when someone is hording all > > the (bit)coins, and while it may support free market's, it certainly > > is not a fair market today. If 2,000,000 bitcoins are spread about a > > few thousand people, and 19,000,000 coins are held by 1 person, your > > "Free Market" goes down the drain because one person could out-buy > > anyone else. > > > > One last point; by looking @ the #bitcoin channel on IRC, it shows > > that about 600 people are wasting their CPU cycles because someone has > > most likely has a cluster of GPU's working away at this. This is the > > wasted cost of TRYING to generate a bitcoin. If only one person can > > generate the block (ie, 50 Bitcoins right now), then 599 people are > > wasting their electricity and time. So the ~$60 a month (increase in > > my electric bill) * 599 = $35,940. Even if we decide to be really > > conservative (not realistic in this case) and cut this cost down by a > > tenth, it's still ~$3,594 being wasted per month while someone else > > get's the coins. How "green" or "eco-friendly" is that? > > > > Now I ask the community, If your chance of generating a bitcoin block > > for yourself is slim-to-none, would you want to waste your time and > > money trying to generate bitcoins? > > > > Don't get me wrong, I hate what is happening to the USD, and love the > > idea of crypto currency, but I see some serious flaws with bitcoin. > > He who has the biggest cluster will win the day, and leaves the rest > > of us with next to nothing. > > > > - Kyle > A few months ago I saw this as well using a dual core 2.666, but I found > a little trick which increases the coin production. Just re-boot every > 2-3 days, then you usually get a flush of coins. > > At the time I considered getting an i7, just out, which has on chip > hardwired encryption circuits. Its lightning fast on generating the > hashes and even half a dozen of these were generating bitcoins then > anyone with lesser technology doesn't stand a chance. > > http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/index.htm > > It sounds to me like these are now being used. Time to upgrade. It would > be interesting if anyone had experience of using the i7. > > On the question of cost. If you have a machine which already has to run > 24/7 (say a Tor node) then the extra cost of max CPU usage is about > $5-15/mo. (My dual core costs about $15/mo without bitcoin) > > > > *********************************************************************** > To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with > unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ *********************************************************************** To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to majordomo(a)torproject.org with unsubscribe or-talk in the body. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

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by R. A. Hettinga 06 Jul '18

06 Jul '18

irtheory-owner(a)yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:01:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory(a)yahoogroups.com At 4:43 PM -0400 6/13/04, Daniel Nexon wrote: >The quotation marks here, I assume, are a disclaimer. Liberalism is not >Marxism. Nor, for that matter, is support for social democracy. There *you* go again. :-) Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/_tgrlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irtheory/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: irtheory-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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