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RE: Terrorist-controlled cessna nearly attacks washington
by Anonymous 13 May '05

13 May '05

You wrote: > >new terrorist target: Union Station > > > You used a remailer for THAT?!! So what if he did? There's no requirement that people say insignificant stuff under their real name or real alias.

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by privacy.at Anonymous Remailer 12 May '05

12 May '05

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Re: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
by Steve Thompson 11 May '05

11 May '05

--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Yeah...it's pretty fuckin' pointless. Tantamount to proving a guy > pointing a > gun at you is actually pointing a gun at you, TO the guy pointing the > gun at > you. Oh, I don't know about that. What about proving that someone is pointing a [gun] at you, who has already lets you know he's pointing a [gun] at you via deniable means of some kind, but who categorically denies such when asked about it directly. In that vague scenario, I would imagine that there is some utility in proving conclusively that someone is pointing a [gun] at you if only to warn others around you about the threat. I, of course, live a similar scenario. The main difference is that it is a group with a somewhat unethical agenda that poses the threat, and who swear up and down that (a) they are all really, really nice people, and (b) that they have no actual interest in my affairs. Both assertions are quite false, but proving it is another matter -- and difficult too, given the ignorance and stupidity currently in fashion at the moment. But I don't mean to provoke an off-topic discussion in this thread. Please do carry on. Regards, Steve ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
by John Kelsey 11 May '05

11 May '05

>From: Justin <justin-cypherpunks(a)soze.net> >Sent: May 9, 2005 3:55 PM >To: cypherpunks(a)al-qaeda.net >Subject: Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave(a)farber.net) ... >What do we need "security" for? We need security because a lot of >people hate the U.S., and because we won't close our borders, and >because society has become too diverse. Drivers license security is being pursued because a bunch of people want to be able to reliably use drivers licenses as ID cards for their own purposes. That can be for TSA screening of passneger names (though I think it's fantasy to imagine that this will really prevent terrorists from flying, and it has endless creepy totalitarian uses), or for making it harder to get a bank account without submitting your true name so you get taxed and monitored, or making it easier for the folks running various "preferred shopper" card programs to make you give them the right information, or keeping you from reselling your airline tickets. (Note that the whole market segmentation/price discrimination scheme that this threatened has basically died by now, but we're still stuck with binding names to airline tickets.) >There is a significant correlation between cultural >diversity/proximity and social unrest. That does not require people >of different races; put white klansmen next to white members of the >Black Panthers and you have the same thing. This is *very* dependent on the cultures in question. For the most part, Japanese and Korean immigrants (to take a couple easy examples) make wonderful neighbors, though they're members of a different race and culture and often a different religion. On the other hand, turn of the century Irish immigrants were English-speaking Christians, but they made nightmarish neighbors. And neither of those have much to do with terrorism (as opposed to low-level crime, public drunkenness, imported criminal gangs, etc.). The Irish in the US have never been much of a terrorist threat, though things are very different in the UK! >None of those three core problems will be solved by RealID. >Therefore, while RealID may make some difference at the margins, it >cannot be very effective. Well, it depends on what your goal is. If your goal is harder-to-forge drivers licenses for all kinds of good and bad purposes, then it may help. If your goal is seriously stopping terrorism or shutting down illegal immigration, it probably won't have much of an impact. --John

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