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Apology
by wmo＠rebma.rebma.mn.org 21 Nov '92

21 Nov '92

Oops. Sorry about sending my response to Eric's survey to the entire list. Honestly, I know better, but I think that was the first time that I've used mh's repl, and I didn't check the cc. Oops. Anyway, I've had a couple queries on Eric's remailer. Hal Finney, just so you know, I've not heard responses from you to a couple letters, and neither has at least one other person. We're interested in your code for the Encrypted: part of the remailer. -- Bill O'Hanlon wmo(a)rebma.mn.org

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The Cypherpunks Mail Project
by Eric Hughes 21 Nov '92

21 Nov '92

Hey, this means you! Have you sent me the name of the software you use to read e-mail with yet? Even if you've never posted to the list or replied to any of the messages, I expect to hear from you. I not only want to collect a list of names of software, I want to know which ones are in most common use. Eric

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NSA readings
by ghoast＠gnu.ai.mit.edu 21 Nov '92

21 Nov '92

If one is looking to find out as much as possible on the NSA (it s past doings as well as known present doings), what should one read, aside from the aforementioned "Puzzle Palace"? Are there any other accurate books or articles available?

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Re: The Cypherpunks Mail Project
by whitaker＠eternity.demon.co.uk 21 Nov '92

21 Nov '92

> Hey, this means you! Have you sent me the name of the software you > use to read e-mail with yet? > > Eric > PCElm 3.01. Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker(a)eternity.demon.co.uk Communications Editor 71750.2413(a)compuserve.com EXTROPY: The Journal of Transhumanist Thought AMiX: RWHITAKER Board member, Extropy Institute (ExI) ================ PGP 2.0 public key available =======================

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transport
by Eric Hollander 21 Nov '92

21 Nov '92

Is there anyone going to tommorow's meeting from bekreley that I could get a ride from? If so please mail me or call me at 510 559 8470. Thanks, Eric Hollander

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Encrypting all mail and the protection of..
by ccat＠casa-next1.Stanford.EDU 20 Nov '92

20 Nov '92

I thinat in the case of n reading back over the debate about mail encryptionthrough the encryption debate,my main thought seems to be,like the someone said earlier, that really the thing to push for is a mass people's movement to encrypyt all mail as a matter of course, with the tools to encrypt/decrypt be ing programs whose source code is freely published and open to scrutiny.Ultimately,if ALL mail, of any kind is routinely encrypted and decrypted using a suitable encryption metheod,privacy will be something we will tajke for granted.This right should be guaranteed via a Constitutional amendment.The decreasing cost of silicon will make this increasingly practical, and the money saved through the curtailment of credit card fraud,etc. (uncrackable digital suignatures would also have a side-benefit in that they would eliminate most credit card fraud.)would make this a win win situation..(except fotr the spooks and the crooks..) -Chris.

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Re: How far is to far?
by George A. Gleason 20 Nov '92

20 Nov '92

Re. Fen's proposal to utilise "broadcatch." We still have the problems of slander/libel and breaches of legitimate secrecy. At risk of sounding naive/idealistic, it would seem that since there is no way to block information passing through the net (aside from screening at source, impractical at least!), the solution rests with education of the net-using population. Power carries responsibility in equal measure. We are giving ourselves the power which comes with privacy; we can begin to take responsibility for promoting a sense of ethics in the use of the net. One possible place to start would be at highschool-level computer courses; perhaps with accomplished hackers coming in and giving guest lectures or something... the culture of computer-literate youth can begin to include strong ethical positions regarding respect for the privacy of others, respect for truthfulness, and a position of personal conscience regarding law and authority. Re the latter, this isn't the same thing as blind obedience, but rather the idea that if there is to be disobedience it needs to be grounded in deeply held personal ethics, as for example in the case of civil disobedience. A strong set of cultural values in these areas might set a tone which discourages mindless negativity and wrecking. Now there will always be those who wreck for thrills.... I don't know how to address that problem except to note that such individuals are hardly stopped today by the threat of prosecution. -gg(a)well.sf.ca.us

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The Cypherpunks Mail Project
by Eric Hughes 20 Nov '92

20 Nov '92

The time is now arrived for a more concerted effort to deploy encryption. It has become clear from the discussions on the list here that the first step should be encrypted e-mail. Unfortunately, mail is not homogeneous; there is no one place to push on the mail system to add encryption. Thus, regardless of the method used for encryption, we will need to add support to every single mail user agent. I now call for this work to begin. We will begin with the first step: a survey of existing mail agents. I volunteer to conduct the survey. I want to collect the following information from _everybody_ on the list: 1. What mail agent(s) do you use to read your everyday mail? 2. What platforms, hardware and software, do you use it on? Reply to hughes(a)soda.berkeley.edu as soon as you read this message. It only takes a minute to tell me how you read mail. Eric

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The Cypherpunks Mail Project
by Eric Hughes 20 Nov '92

20 Nov '92

Step Two in the Mail Project is to gather together the social facts of mail software development: where the source code is and who maintains it. Participation in this step is not required, but a distributed effort to find this information would be greatly appreciated. Therefore, if you know where to find source code for your own (or any other) mail reader, please send it along. Be complete. Include at least the following information: 1. The name of the mail agent. 2. The current version number. 3. A machine name where the code is located, presumably via anonymous ftp. 4. The directory on the machine where it can be found. 5. The author(s) and maintainer(s) of the software. 6. The licensing status of the software: public domain, Gnuware, university property but publicly usable, etc. 7. Any useful political information about convincing whoever to support encryption. If your mail agent is commercial, then send the name of the manufacturer and any other information you can think of. Eric

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Re: The Dining Cryptographers Protocol
by Marc.Ringuette＠GS80.SP.CS.CMU.EDU 20 Nov '92

20 Nov '92

Can DC-nets be used in a hierarchical or "backbone" framework to reduce communications overhead? Bill Stewart (in personal mail) suggested that such a scheme could satisfy my objections to DC-nets, namely that in order to get N-way anonymity, you must exchange N bits of traffic per bit of anonymous message transmitted. But when we tried to come up with such a scheme, it ended up being an unsatisfying hybrid of DC-nets and mixes. If you know of a backbone arrangement for DC-nets with a local net of size L<<N but an "anonymity parameter" of N, please tell us about it... -- Marc Ringuette (mnr(a)cs.cmu.edu)

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