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by SANDBERG＠GUMBY.BCASD.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

Please remove me from the list. Thanks. sandberg(a)gumby.bcasd.az.honeywell.com

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LIST RULES and Advertising
by Stu Klingman 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

I know my reaction when being hit with the ad was, "Hey! what the fuck is this!?", followed by, "Okay, this person doesn't know any better". If you've been on the net for a while, you'd know that ads are >most< tre gauch. If we really want to resolve the censorship stigma and still be able to ignore the ads, perhaps we could put AD: in front of any ad that was RELEVANT to the list, and then we could filter them out, or not, as the case may be.I've got to admit, the idea of reading ads pertinent to the cypherpunks list intrigues me. Judges?

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WHAT Can we do?
by kelly＠netcom.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

OK So I am preparing a posting for alt.activism, misc.activism.prog alt.activism.d and alt.conspiracy, alt.anarchy and alt.society.revolution. As well as alt.native!!. I also plan to spread these postings into peacenet and econet. I plan a Monograph series with titles such as How to get find and use PGP for political and non-technical types. How to use PGP for the Investigative reporter. How to use PGP and a PAX anonymous posting Mechanism to become a whistle blower. Political/Whistleblowing/Investigative uses of David Chaum anonymous networks. 101 Political uses for an Anonymous Remailer How to investigate and expose the investigators safely and easily via use of DC Networks and Investigative Databases. How to digitise Video and Still photos and spread them anonymously via DC style networks and PAX Encrypted Anonymous posting Mechanisms. Ad nauseam, I need volunteers to work on the monograpghs and people to proofread. Some of the soures I am using are the Security, Anonymity and Privacy FAQ parts 1-3. And at present although PAX has been shutdown we can use combinations of multihop anonymnous remailers and sites like the penet site in finland to ensure anonymity. Sites and Volunteers are needed for more remailers, PGP key Servers and PAX anonymous Posting mechanisms --

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Remailer changes
by nowhere＠bsu-cs.bsu.edu 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

After playing around with my .maildelivery file for a while, I figured out how to make messages to the remailer go to it even if nothing in the header indicates that it should be remailed (just the "::" as the first line) and still receive all of my other mail. So, you can use it just like the other Cypherpunks remailers out there now. Could somebody send me the official instructions for another remailer so I can *plagarize* them and save myself some work? :) Thanks in advance. NoWhere Remailer: nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu Chael Hall -- Chael Hall nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu, 00CCHALL(a)BSUVC.BSU.EDU, CHALL(a)CLSV.Charon.BSU.Edu (317) 285-3648 after 5 pm EST

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Free Speech Is Not The Issue, Opression/Harassment Is.
by thug＠phantom.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

With regard to the Peterson affair: I am very glad to read all the responses that I have seen both publically on the cypherpunks list, and privately in encouraging letters I have received in mail. I want to write responses to all these great letters, but I have received far too many. I would like to thank all of you who support first ammendment rights, and who have told me that found my virus post informative and useful. However, let us really ask ourselves if free speech is the real issue here. Yes, I know free speech is a major theme that comes out of all this, but I don't think that it's the most imporant one. There are always loonies who wish to yell and hollar about what should be censored. Whether it's on the radio like the FCC/Howard Stern affair, on television, in the movies, on records/tapes/CD's (like Tipper Gore and her gang). Those kinds of people will always exist, and I don't see why people expect them not to exist on Usenet/Internet as well. What *REALLY* pisses me off about Peterson is his use of underhanded tactics like threats, intimidation, and harassment. I don't want to go toe to toe with Peterson, because when it comes to underhanded tactics, I can teach him a thing or two, and make his life a living hell should I decide to do so. Fortunately for him, I am well beyond that adolescent stage and mode of thinking. I think Peterson should realize that there are people out there who can and will retaliate against him should he harass them in any way. Just because so far he has run into compliant and intimidated system admins, doesn't mean his luck will hold up. Eventually he will run into someone who takes this kind of stuff VERY personally, especially if they are awaken from their nap by a harassing and threatening phone call from Peterson. If Peterson keeps up his reign of terror, I would not be surprised if he is not dragged into court one of these days by someone whose personal, moral and financial interests conflict with Peterson's desire to squash free speech. A case can easily be made against Peterson in a court of law for harassment, intimidation, and various civil rights charges having to do with trying to deny others their constitutional rights. And I guarantee you that there will be plenty of system administrators and others who would be happy to testify against him. I recommend to Mr. Peterson that he watch his step in trying to step on other people's constitutional rights. One day he may just step on a land mine. I phrase this in terms that a person in the military could understand. Until such time as Peterson blows his legs off, I think it's up to all of us to guard free speech by telling all system administrators on the net about Peterson and his reign of terror, and asking them to publically expose him each and every time he tries to assault our freedom of speech through threats, initimidation, and harassment. Murdering Thug

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Re: LIST RULES
by deltorto＠aol.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

>>_________________________________________________________________ >> FROM THE VIRTUAL DESK OF SANDY SANDFORT >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>[etc. etc.] >>What do others on this list think about "commercial" postings? Sandy, I have to agree with John that it's philosophically inappropriate to discuss non-cryptographic topics on this list. Like many others, I come here to discuss ideas and technical concepts in an intellectual environment and to learn about how to protect everyone's privacy from people who know a hell of a lot more than I do about the mechanics of digital privacy. Anything that deviates from that had better, imho, do it quickly and as an aside to something more in line with the purpose of this list. I think you're respectful of that, and I don't have any _particular_ problem with what you posted, but probably because your msg stuck out _like a sore thumb_ (and thus the hyperbolic characterization of it as 'abuse') from the body of the normal discussion here and because he is a naturally cautious (thank goodness for that!) person, John probably mentioned this to you in the best terse way he knows how. My impression of John is that he is not prone to overreact, but rather that he prefers to deliver a srtaightforward warning with sufficient emphasis to avoid having to do it twice. Please get in touch with those of us who might have responded to your posting through more discrete channels. I sense that we need not discuss this any further here. d2t PS: As an aside to the topic of commercialism, I'd just like to point out what a hell of a nice job Zig is doing with the latest build of MacPGP (2.1e87). Attaboy, Zig!

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Quiet Nights @ the Keyboard with Ren & Stimpy
by deltorto＠aol.com 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

To Keith Peterson: I guess it must get a bit quiet there at your keyboard in the room where you sit chillin' day in and day out Maintaining that ol' MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, huh? I guess I can understand wanting to bust out in expression if indeed you find it inconvenient to do literally. I mean no disrespect - after all, I don't know you at all, but _really_ now - these comments of yours are so misplaced! Even a cursory view of Mr. Thug's missal cannot possibly construe his comments as encouraging virus authors! His observations are in the finest spirit of our treasured Fourth Estate - the dissemination of information for the protection of everyone concerned. For example, being a non-DOS user, I had never before heard of these Stealth, etc. viruses before reading his description and I can sure tell you that I will now know to warn every DOS user I meet to immediately switch their OS to one where there is less inclination and more barriers to the construction of destructive viruses. Okay that was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but you get the idea. To put this in martial terms for you, I recommend a strategy where you acquire your targets a bit more carefully before launching. Lao Tsu offers good advice on this sort of thing - 'premature attack reveals one's own weaknesses' etc. Since your weakness appears at first glance to be a fickle respect for the rights of other citizens to privacy and free speech, I encourage you to instead get out and oxygenate your lungs and shake out all that tension before you open your metaphorical mouth and insert your figurative foot. Remember, we all go about defending this great nation of ours in our own ways and though my way may not be your way, it may be a good way anyway. This is not to say that I don't encourage you to voice your opinion about anything you want to at any time. I am proud to live in a country where we can all agree to disagree. Just don't touch my freedom, Keith. I will defend to the death your, Thug's and my right to say whatever the hell we want to about anything we fucking well please anytime and anywhere. In future, then, please be more judicious in the pursuit of your ideals. To My Fellow Cypherpunks: Be always vigilant, my friends. Those who would tell you that up is down and right is left might well be coming out of the sun above and behind you even now. It's a hard thing to express clear views of something so rotten to the corps, but _someone_ has to do it. Happy Trails, d2t

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anonymous mail
by nobody＠pmantis.berkeley.edu 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

This message routed through 8 remailers, sent around 11:50 CST 2/19/93: pmantis -> soda -> alumni -> rebma -> rosebud -> mead -> shell -> buffalo Actually, rewriting hop.mail and anon.mail in PERL might be a good idea... Signed, ?(a)?.?[.?]*

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Re: anonymous mail
by Anonymous＠cs.Buffalo.EDU 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

Bob Stratton stated in the last message: >Received: by toad.com id AA00166; Sat, 20 Feb 93 07:04:10 PST >Return-Path: <strat(a)intercon.com> >Received: from cygnus.com by toad.com id AA00161; Sat, 20 Feb 93 07:04:08 PST >Received: from intercon.com by cygnus.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) > id AA18518; Sat, 20 Feb 93 06:43:27 PST >Received: by intercon.com (911016.SGI/920928.RS) > for cypherpunks(a)toad.com id AA21465; Sat, 20 Feb 93 09:42:09 -0500 >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 1993 23:24:43 -0800, nobody(a)pmantis.berkeley.edu said: > nobody> This message routed through 8 remailers, sent around > nobody> 11:50 CST 2/19/93: pmantis -> soda -> alumni -> rebma > nobody> -> rosebud -> mead -> shell -> buffalo > >Are you sure? If that's true, then someone along the way is munging >the headers pretty badly, because my Received: lines show it going >from > >pmantis -> toad.com -> me This is correct in the same way I can see that the message sent from you was sent from intercon.com -> cygnus.com -> toad.com -> me -- +==== Internet: babani(a)cs.buffalo.edu ===+======== Amateur-Radio: N2LYC ======+ ! Bitnet: V078LNGT(a)ubvms.BITNET | UUCP: rutgers!ub!babani ! ! Alternate: an173(a)cleveland.freenet.edu | Plsure dpnds on the othrs prmison. ! +== PGP key available. (If you don't know what a PGP key is... find out!) ==+

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RE: Advertising on the net
by visionary＠peg.apc.org 20 Feb '93

20 Feb '93

Whilst the arguments "against" online advertising are many and are BOUND to be the most vocal, I'd just like to put in a pitch that counters that thread. I really like to see what people are up to - if that means they are tryin to earn a living from their activities, then thats fine by me. So I like to see good, clever, informative and interesting advertising material - PROVIDED it is NOT posted repeatedly ad nauseam - i'd forgive once, twice, thrice over a period of a month or so - then if it came in again I'd shout! If you look closely at what actually comes across from all quarters i think you'd agree that we do receive a lot of "advertising" in many subtle guises. Gee - even crediting a magazine from which an article is swiped is a form of advertising ;-) I view the net as a way of life... as such i would even LIKE to be able to order all sorts of things via email. For instance if some of the more prolific writers among us wanted to earn something from their writing, then i believe it would be very acceptable to make books, journal subscriptions, limited print-runs etc available in an online catalog - again, providing it was interesting, informative reading in its own right then I would have no objection whatsoever. I could probably wax lyrical with many other examples, but i'm sure you get my drift. I'm very interested in this debate and hope that some sensible guidelines may be formulated by such discussion. Naturally, in moderated newsgroups, this issue is clearly dealt with... but yet is it correct that the moderator be the "all-powerful" hand of CUT or KEEP. You may also gather from the above that i am totally against censorship of ANY sort - fully knowing what a can of worms that opens up in regard to online communications. ...looking forward to hearing more... enuf from me :-) Michael Ney PO Box 566 Milsons Point NSW 2061 Australia Tel: (+61-2) 692-8168 Email via APC: peg:visionary via Internet: visionary(a)peg.apc.org Engaged in graphic design, photography, journalism and publishing. No job too small - will work within budget limitations - fast service! ...But that wasnt an advert - I was just telling you about myself :-) ________________ VISIONARY MEDIA _____________________________________

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