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by Bruce.Baugh＠p23.f40.n105.z1.fidonet.org 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

Please add me to your mailing list. Thanks! UUCP !qiclab!therose INTERNET: therose.fidonet.org FIDONET: 1:105/7.0 UUCP <> FidoNet(tm) Gate is a public service provided by therose.pdx.com. **Reply messages should not be sent to/through therose.pdx.com**

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list of remailers
by Karl Barrus 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

Paul Ferguson asks for a list of remailers. Here's it the latest one I have: 1: hh(a)pmantis.berkeley.edu 2: hh(a)cicada.berkeley.edu 3: hh(a)soda.berkeley.edu 4: nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu 5: ebrandt(a)jarthur.claremont.edu 6: hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu 7: remailer(a)rebma.mn.org 8: elee7h5(a)rosebud.ee.uh.edu 9: phantom(a)mead.u.washington.edu 10: hfinney(a)shell.portal.com 11: babani(a)cs.buffalo.edu 12: remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com NOTES: #1-#5 no encrypted remailing requests #5-#12 support encrypted remailing requests; public key available #2 requires remailing request to appear in header (am working on a PERL script which will do this) #12 requires encryption (message and header together) #7,#12 introduce larger than average time delay (which is probably a desirable thing!) It's been a good week for remailers - three of them came to my attention (nowhere@bsu, ebrandt@jarthur, babani@cs)! /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf(a)menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus(a)tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/

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PGP question
by scott＠shrug.dur.ac.uk 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

I'm sure this isn't the right place for this question, but what the hell. I've added a second mailing address to my public key, but this causes a validity error (unknown sigantor) when checked with -kc. How can I go about making that go away so that people who check will not be greeted by this message? Only been in PGP a week, Scott

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msdos perl
by Eli Brandt 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

> Slight complaint: The only available port of perl to DOS is 386 or > higher only, The perl419x.zip in simtel:msdos/perl doesn't even use the 386. However, those without 386 + memory manager may have a bit of a hard time with memory. I don't know about the perl4019.zip in the same directory; I snarfed it to check, but it has no docs (and I don't care to disassemble for 386 code!) > CrysRides Eli ebrandt(a)jarthur.claremont.edu

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Defending Free Speech and Liberty
by tcmay＠netcom.com 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

Cheers for John Gilmore in his defense of free speech and liberty! The Net.Nazi who apparently criticized him for inappropriate use of the Net clearly understands neither the nature of free exchange of ideas nor the relative innocuousness of Murdering Thug's article on viruses. Thug's article on polymorphic viruses was factual and made some good points, and certainly was not very controversial. And even if it was controversial, so what? Frankly, Thug's article was pretty tame (no offense, Thug...a lot of our postings are pretty tame). I've seen more details elsewhere on the Dark Avenger Mutation Engine, so big deal! (The "virus construction kit" idea was also recently the subject of an article in one of the trade rags, and I recall Steve Gibson writing at least two fairly alarmist and detailed articles on polymorphic viruses for "Infoworld." And the trade journal "Computers and Security" has extensive coverage of all of these virus technologies.) As with so many things that the cop and spy mentalities want kept secret from the riffraff, who gains by keeping the secrets? The Bulgarian virus writers (could this whole "Bulgarian" thing be just part of the propaganda campaign by the SPA and GoreTechs to ensure a "safe" network, a la NREN? Just a thought.) certainly will be a lot more current than casual readers of a brief article. If discussion of viruses is discouraged--or even banned--who will benefit? Ordinary citizens will be kept in the dark, while the virus guys at Los Alamos and the Army Center for Signal Warfare (Vint Hill Station, VA) will continue to let out contracts for virus warfare to MITRE and their ilk, while bogus stories get out (like the supposed viruses planted in equipment bound for Iraq just before the war started), and while the supposed "good guys" like Fred Cohen (he wrote the first big study of viruses and brunnering) are busy proposing "good viruses" that would seek out tax evaders, deadbeat Dads, and other subversives! (Lord, save us from the fools!). Meanwhile, the French SDECE is spying on everyone they can and probably was behind CLODO (Comite Liquidant ou Detoumant les Ordinateurs), the anti-computer terrorist group. The better to scare the populace, don't you know? I say, let's expand the scope of the Cypherpunks list to include more discussion of viruses. We can't let it become a monopoly of the Authorities (the Brunner Authority instead of the Turing Authority?) The "Cypherpunk Ethic" says we don't trust authority to tell us how to compute, and we don't understand defense methods until we understand attack methods. QED. Frankly, I expect the next target of the powerfreak authorities to be our work on anonymous remailers and digital money. They'll come to see that as a bigger threat than mere viruses. -Tim May -- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: MailSafe and PGP available.

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New Directions on the Internet-Privacy what are the threats...
by Kelly Goen 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

Hi all, to John Gilmore in particular... John I would like to use the incident I discussed with you in encrypted mail as a start to discussing what the technical/programmed threats to privacy on the Internet using just simple scripts and programs available on the Internet. I agree that is does range somwhat far from the usual fare of crypto but it began as a PGP-key-server to mailing list correlation and it definitely illustrates the current threat there is to privacy... I would like to use the toad.com site as an example while not revealing the list contents in the open posting due to personal feelings and ethics about privacy... how do you and the list feel about this new topic area... thanx and cheers kelly (oklahoma) goen p.s. The response I have gotten for my call to action has been gratifying indeed I will get back to everyone of you as time and preparation of the FAQ permits... I welcome ALL of your suggestions, critiques and help as well as pointers to programs and information... btw is "Digital Privacy" off the presses yet and if so where can I get a copy in the silicon valley area... best of luck to all the members of this list and thanx again... --------

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Political and social action, cypherpunk assisted (fwd)
by kelly＠netcom.com 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

Forwarded message: > From gnu(a)toad.com Sun Feb 21 12:27:13 1993 > Message-Id: <9302212028.AA25645(a)toad.com> > To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu, gnu(a)toad.com, barlow(a)eff.org > Cc: kelly(a)netcom.com > Subject: Political and social action, cypherpunk assisted > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 12:28:10 -0800 > From: gnu(a)toad.com > > Kelly, I think you should also add some more mainstream groups like > talk.environment, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics.homosexuality, > alt.society.civil-liberty, alt.society.civil-disob, > comp.society.privacy, alt.privacy, comp.org.eff.talk. This is not > just a tool for conspirators, anarchists, and revolutionaries, though > the FBI and NSA would love to pigeonhole us that way. It's for anyone > who wants to exercise their Constitutionally-protected rights to > privacy or anonymity. > > John > I agree completely John, in fact I have had a talk with Phil Z. and have his best wishes in this area, one thing that has come up recently is putting together COMPLETE packages of Binaries of PGP for various platforms, along with hopper email preparation scripts, programs to email or otherwise get news to a newsgroup, or emailing list. minimal configurations for the amove. EASY installation scripts and/or instructions to install and verify correct installation of same, perhaps a Video could be prepared that could be distributed throught the community cable channel network or borrowable thought a public for the community station could be arrange, the main thing I see is spreading this tech far and wide first to the groups that have the most need of it and then to the mainstream. A foreign site at present is best for the complete packages because of US ITAR regulations, although uncoercible platforms such as toad.com and hosts in the edu domain could also be perhaps a contribution to the situation. I see the CLEAR and present DANGER if we dont start treading this new legal ground quickly and establish legal precedent by action and litigaion if need be. Our rights will be abridged and condensed so fast you wont even be able to reply "thank you Mr. Webster" before people start assuming a Maxmillian code of Justice instead of the one granted us by the US Constitution. I see Privacy and anonymity as Inalienable rights reserved to the people under the 9th amendment. I also view the ITAR regulations classifying crypto as a weapon/munition as putting crypto under the purview of the second amendment under the right to keep and bear arms. I also hold that expression of free thoughts feelings and the tangilbe manifestion of same known as software to be forms of protected speech under the first amendment. As I am a member of society who always will test the letter of the law n these areas to the limit, I now realize that the socalled crypto-war with the federal government has to have a broad base of public support before we are adjudged criminals by the govt controlled press in this country and have our rights trampled under like the way all groups have had theirs trampled under by the govt. I for one dont wish to wake up in some morning with some federal agents gun stuck up my nostril such as happened in the sundevil raids. RICO seizures are currently illegally used by the federal lackeys to totally circumvent all the protections of the bill of rights and to acquire shamelessly computer hardware for local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. Can you say THEFT!!.. Can you say Violation of the 4th amendment of the US Constitution!! Oh DAMN!! I went and got passionately political again... OK I will shutup... for now... besides I have to answer all of this fascinating e-mail I seem to be getting... And work on this document... cheers kelly

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anonymous mail
by nobody＠pmantis.berkeley.edu 22 Feb '93

22 Feb '93

This message routed through 7 remailers, sent around 11:45 CST 2/19/93: pmantis -> soda -> alumni -> rosebud -> mead -> shell -> buffalo All welcome the new remailer Rusty has set up! Also, congrats to Chael Hall for his efforts - I'm testing his remailer as well for inclusion in various scripts. (Eric, I'm not getting any responses back from your remailer @cicada for some reason, even if I just use it as a single hop) Look for the 8 remailer routing confirmation coming soon - also through rebma. If there's some temporary problem with cicada and it's fixed, look for the 9 remailer hopping message. And if that shows, look for the 10 remailer routed message (now that's security) utilizing extropia if I have to build the headers myself!! Question: of the unix users, who does NOT have access to ksh (via your login shell or #!/bin/ksh or somewhere else)? Rewriting hop.mail in ksh would allow me to support extropia, and reverse the chaining direction (that is, route the mail as you specify and not actually in reverse) DOS folks can expect hopmail.exe (source + executable) because I don't think its possible in the native batch language. Well, I guess you can figure out who this is, so /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf(a)menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus(a)tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/

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Re: Trapdoors
by karn＠qualcomm.com 21 Feb '93

21 Feb '93

A bit count instruction would be very handy in a project I've been working on lately, which is a new packet radio link level protocol for amateur packet radio. This protocol uses forward error correction, so it needs a highly reliable way to delimit the start of each physical link frame. A pseudo-random "sync" sequence is the standard way to do this, and you detect it with a correlator. The bit count instruction would come in handy here, since the only other fast way to do it is to use table lookup. Phil

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RE: Advertising on the net
by jordan＠imsi.com 21 Feb '93

21 Feb '93

It's not so much the advertising I object to, but all the "conversation" that gets repeated each time the issue comes up. Give it a rest. Stay on the topic. Keep your laser handy. Anyone get very far with the CELP stuff yet? I forget: is it or isn't it "acceptable use" to implement Diffie-Helman in code you don't sell? What if you sell it later? At what point do you need to license it? /jordan

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