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two copies of deadbeat's mail...
by Anonymous＠cs.Buffalo.EDU 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

Attention deadbeat... I'm getting two copies of your postings to cypherpunks from both anon.penet.fi and from nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu. One copy is enough. Thanks.

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Finding Mac PGP software?
by eggo＠STUDENT.umass.edu 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

I'm sure this is a FAQ, but can anyone point me to an FTP site where I can obtain PGP for the Macintosh? Does such a beast exist? Thanks for your time. +- eggo(a)titan.ucc.umass.edu Eat Some Paste -+ +- Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, -+ +- Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! -+

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No Subject
by nowhere＠bsu-cs.bsu.edu 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

In-reply-to: Tony Kidson's message of Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:16:29 +0000. <2497(a)morgan.demon.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > One reason the list has been so busy is that DEADBEAT's messages > seem to be being posted both through penet and through a cypherpunks > remailer. I don't know why this is happening -- my messages are being sent with headers To: anon(a)anon.penet.fi X-Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Yet two copies are arriving, one from "an5877(a)anon.penet.fi (deadbeat)" and another from "nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Anonymous)." Personally, I think the latter remailer is broken. DEADBEAT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.1 iQBFAgUBK4pBIPFZTpBW/B35AQGqcAF9FmuI1E+L0hsWVFbshFQo96mmQoo3pRKt 22+lrGbZge7san/4PQnWmd93HjJEc97u =KGNP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi. *IMPORTANT server security update*, mail to update(a)anon.penet.fi for details.

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pgpshell
by Karl Barrus 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

Cypherpunks: A user new to unix, pgp, the net, etc. wrote to me asking for a "menu type of shell" to protect from switch overload. So I hacked this together pretty quickly and have given it a once over testing. It is meant for new pgp users; something which will help until they are more comfortable. I mailed to the original user, but I thought there may be wider interest. pgpshell: it pretty much just passes on arguments to pgp, nothing fancy, minimal functionality. /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf(a)menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus(a)tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/ ------8< cut here >8----- #!/bin/sh # pgpshell: minimally functional script to help users of pgp # (I'm not claiming this yet) :-) # last update 2/23/93 echo " 1: encrypt a file" echo " 2: decrypt a file" echo " 3: conventionally encrypt a file" echo " 4: sign and encrypt a file" echo " 5: sign a file, result in ascii file" echo "" echo -n "choice: " read choice echo -n "Name of file? " read filename if [ ! -f "$filename" ] then echo "File $filename not found." exit 1 fi case "$choice" in 1) echo -n "User id? "; read user; pgp -ea $filename $user;; 2) pgp $filename;; 3) pgp -c $filename;; 4) echo -n "User id? "; read user; pgp -esa $filename $user;; 5) pgp -sat +clearsig=on $filename;; *) echo "Improper choice."; exit 1;; esac

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Re: anon.penet.fi hacking
by an5877＠anon.penet.fi 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

In-reply-to: Tony Kidson's message of Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:16:29 +0000. <2497(a)morgan.demon.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > One reason the list has been so busy is that DEADBEAT's messages > seem to be being posted both through penet and through a cypherpunks > remailer. I don't know why this is happening -- my messages are being sent with headers To: anon(a)anon.penet.fi X-Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Yet two copies are arriving, one from "an5877(a)anon.penet.fi (deadbeat)" and another from "nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Anonymous)." Personally, I think the latter remailer is broken. DEADBEAT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.1 iQBFAgUBK4pBIPFZTpBW/B35AQGqcAF9FmuI1E+L0hsWVFbshFQo96mmQoo3pRKt 22+lrGbZge7san/4PQnWmd93HjJEc97u =KGNP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi. *IMPORTANT server security update*, mail to update(a)anon.penet.fi for details.

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Re: Beware of anon.penet.fi message!
by an5877＠anon.penet.fi 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

In-reply-to: Johan Helsingius' message of Tue, 23 Feb 1993 09:32:54 +0200. <9302230851.aa19921(a)penet.penet.FI> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > The problem became > > apparent to me when I sent pseudonymous mail to a prominent person on > > this list; his reply exposed his pseudonymous id at anon.penet.fi, > > surely without his knowledge. > > I think this would be fixed by the "X-Anon-Anonymize: no" (or whatever) > hack. But for reasons I have outlined in the earlier round of > discussions, it can't be the default. Comments? If it's not the default behavior, then it will be a recurring problem. > There has been a lot of discussion about this, and I'm afraid it's too > late to change the *default* behavior now... Why? It seems to me the X-Anon-Password header was a pretty major change, yet you made that change to preserve people's pseudonymous identities. The instant challenge is just as grave, don't you think? > P.S. In case I forgot to announce it, as you could see from the message > I'm replying to, PGP stuff doesn't get stripped at anon.penet.fi > anymore..... Great stuff. Thanks. DEADBEAT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.1 iQBFAgUBK4o8FfFZTpBW/B35AQFQgwF/QU9NQmgtFKfv+KMoghtSwTL/e8vh3G4b vwlZy3yWF6D4+LVAnOEcuh0gvxJSNi51 =hD4O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi. *IMPORTANT server security update*, mail to update(a)anon.penet.fi for details.

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posting and posting and posting.
by DrZaphod 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

In Message Tue, 23 Feb 93 12:16:29 GMT, Tony Kidson <morgan.demon.co.uk!tony(a)netcomsv.netcom.com> writes: >One reason the list has been so busy is that DEADBEAT's messages >seem to be being posted both through penet and through a cypherpunks >remailer. I was just going to ask about that.. I've gotten the same message from DEADBEAT about 4 times.. DrZaphod [AC/DC] / [DnA][HP] [drzaphod(a)ncselxsi.uucp] Technicolorized

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No subject
by an5877＠anon.penet.fi 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

In-reply-to: Johan Helsingius' message of Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:52:16 +0200. <9302231011.aa20353(a)penet.penet.FI> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Well, I don't agree that doubleblind is a great idea. > > Neither do I. But many of the users of anon.penet.fi are > not very computer-and-email-literate, and they have been using other > services, providing double-blind. Unfortunate, but too late to change now... Can you elaborate on those other services? The Finnish remailer is the only one I'm aware of. Also, I'm confused about these "not very computer-and-email-literate" users -- aren't they forced to use an X-Anon-Password header? I'm surprised there hasn't been more ruckus about the default behavior. There must be many folks whose identities have been inadvertantly exposed. > What we can do is to provide better ways for those who *are* computer > literate enough to use extra headers etc. I don't think this will help. With my mail environment, I have to go to lengths to send an anonymous message, concocting X-Anon-To and X-Anon-Password headers. It's worth the effort, since this helps to preserve the secrecy of my pseudonymous identity. But the first time I mess up, and send an unfettered message to an anon.penet.fi client, I am unmasked. What I'm saying is that I'm hip to headers; it's the simple stuff that trips me up. And I still don't understand how the unfettered message gets past the X-Anon-Password filter. > > I think it's imperative that the sender use X-Anon-To to be > > pseudonymous. This is consistent with the principle of least > > astonishment. > > But in this case I feel the principle of least astonishment is overruled > by the principle of least risk of accidental exposure. I think the risk of accidental exposure is heightened by the default behavior of the Finnish remailer. Maybe we're using the same words to describe different things. > I think that hornet's nest needed to be kicked. But I am also > disappointed that not enough people defend the need for anonymity in > places like news.admin.policy. Some of us gave up on USENET policy long, long ago. Personally, I stick to the alt.* groups. > I think pseudonyms *should* be prominent - as you have noticed, anon.penet.fi > adds an explicit warning at the end of every message. In time, I hope such warnings will be unnecessary, as people grow accustomed to the use of pseudonyms. DEADBEAT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.1 iQBFAgUBK4o0+PFZTpBW/B35AQGlcAF/UC0HNtSoIQe2arEoK5uzkjX+7fCwPUqC l/2o0wifS7SLGLfoshQpd3vaczDktaBV =TPtY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi. *IMPORTANT server security update*, mail to update(a)anon.penet.fi for details.

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REQUEST
by mvario＠inode.com 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

Subj: Request To: cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com I would like to request to be placed on the cypherpunks mailing list. Thank you, Michael Vario mvario(a)inode.com ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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RE: Advertising on the net
by Duncan Frissell 23 Feb '93

23 Feb '93

Nothing like jumping into the middle with one's first posting... Denizens of the nets have to realize that there are some extreme social deviates out here who go beyond sodomy, go beyond working for the FDA, go beyond rape as an instrumentality of war, go beyond voting and actually believe that adverting is an ennobling human activity. Think about it. Poor Michael in the last few episodes of "Thirtysomething" suffering existential angst because he was great at advertising but considered it an unworthy occupation for a man. If he'd only known that advertising=mass markets=low prices=wealth beyond the dreams of ancient Kings. Lack of advertising=Moscow before 1990. If we have to accept your deviations (voting for the short fascist with the bad haircut and the funny ears par example) you have to accept ours. We can live with each other without too much trouble. Duncan Frissell **************************************************************************** * * * * * YOUR AD HERE * * * * * **************************************************************************** PS - If you post a message about the existence and availability of PGP, you are *ADVERTISING*. Naughty, naughty, naughty.

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