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Re: Wasted BAndwidth
by Duncan Frissell 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

>They're not going to *care* that the last remailer on the chain (who >will, presumably, be identifiable) wasn't responsible for the message >which was sent. They're just going to invade the building the >remailing host is in, kill everyone in the room, and destroy the >machine, and all the machines around it. If they don't know which is >the remailer, they'll just blow up the whole block. They don't care > >I do not advocate censorship. I advocate responsibility. > > Marc In another couple of years, the "remailers" will not be *in* buildings but running as distributed processes on machines from Anchorage to Wellington. Hard to raid. You will be able to set up your own communications server located "somewhere on the nets" to handle message forwarding to you. Hard to raid a billion "processes". This over romatization of government power and violence is peculiar to writers of technothrillers and certain libertarians. You know who you are. Government is good at point force. It can bomb and raid fairly effectively. This ability to put a mass of organized muscle in the field was decisive in earlier technological eras. If you are fighting peasants bound to the soil or undisciplined barbarians, a Roman Square could prevail. Government is less able to apply force on a widespread basis. It depends on the respect, fear, or acquiescence of its subjects. If those weaken or disappear governments weaken or disappear. Markets apply "force" (incentives) across a wide front. They do not require fear or acquiescence to survive. They are self-enforcing. Even commies know trade. As we become stronger as individuals (I just spent a week's pay to buy more computing power (hardware) than existed on earth in 1955) we have less fear of (others) government and greater capabilities for self- government. The "anarchy" debates are beside the point. If the market is engaged in breaking down hierarchies, the government monopoly cannot stand either. King Canute cannot order back the sea. Radical restructuring (peristroika) is on the march. Strong individuals cannot avoid replacing "others government" with self government. Others government is only stable when a monopoly institution can maintain control over information and force. Information and force are becoming widely spread. We are seeing the collapse of the coercion metaphor at least in its wholesale form. When people and markets turn away from the state, it disappears. If its monopoly is broken, we will be in the realm of competing legal systems. Duncan Frissell

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UCS Computing Usage Policy.
by Duncan Frissell 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

>Here is a copy of the policy that my system administrator was referring to: > >From: gerland(a)ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (James R. Gerland) >Subject: UCS Computing Usage Policy. So call the ACLU and see if they are interested. Buffalo is a State Uni and subject to the 1st Amendment. Sounds like they are censoring messages based on content (or lack of content in the case of anonymity. Could the University Post office refuse to accept or deliver anonymous letters? It is unlikely that a government could force a publisher to reveal the identity of an anonymous author. There are cases in point in which people wanted NAACP membership lists where the orders were overturned on the basis of freedom of association and speech. Likewise anti-mask ordinances in some cities. As long as your remailer wasn't causing volume problems, regulation would fall outside the "time, place, and manner" restrictions. Maybe the Electronic Frontier Foundation would be interested as well. Duncan Frissell

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ANON: Sysadmin policies at universities
by Eric Fogleman 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

Jordan Hayes responds to Rusty Babani: > From babani(a)cs.buffalo.edu Fri Mar 5 13:56:06 1993 > > Here is the responce I got as to WHY I CANT RUN A REMAILER IN > MY ACCOUNT... > > Why do you continue to think it's "your" account? > > If you want to have such a thing to call "your account" you're welcome > to plunk down some $$$, buy a machine, get yerself a network link, and > remail to your heart's content... I have to agree with Jordan on this. In a truly free society, you have the right to use your property as you see fit. And so does the university. Your right to free speech doesn't mean you have the right to someone else's soapbox. Eric Fogleman

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Re: Encrypted voice protocol?
by dmandl＠shearson.com 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

> I just read in the local paper about "Internet Radio," which sounds like > some kind of transmission of compressed audio, if I have the details right. > > This could be interesting. The "Crypto Home Companion Show"? > > Anybody know anything about this? (The originator comes from Alexandria, > Virginia, so perhaps Strat and our other D.C. area folks have heard more > about this.) > > -Tim Yup, big article in the New York Times yesterday (front page!), and a smaller article in today's New York Newsday. Anyone out there have the time to post either of them to the group??? BTW, a friend and I are just wrapping up a big anthology on radio (the new issue of Semiotext(e), if anyone's interested). I would have loved to get this stuff in there, but alas, we just missed... --Dave.

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Re: Encrypted voice protocol?
by wcs＠anchor.ho.att.com 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

(Carl - this is a reply to a cypherpunks mailing list mention of your program. Way to go, and good luck!) Internet Talk Radio also made the Front Page of the New York Times 3/4/93. The picture of Carl Malamud showed him in his office, with a computer near the front with "Internet Talk Radio" running on it, and a poster on the back wall saying "Freedom of the Press belongs to those who own one", put out by some computer company or other. Story by John Markoff, of course. It's basically going to be a half-hour audio segment, with interviews ("Geek of the Week") plus miscellaneous news and stories, kind of in the style of All Things Considered. Folks with high-end systems will be able to listen in real-time; folks with lower-end will need to download slowly and listen later. Size is about 15 MB, data rate 64 kb/s, estimated 2400-baud time 14 hours. I'm surprised he's not doing better compression than that, but (speculation) this may be broadcast-quality audio with ADPCM rather than telephone-quality 3kHz audio uncompressed? The broadcast will be split up into segments, so you can get pieces without downloading the whole thing. Initially it's audio-only but may add some multi-media stuff, especially for navigation through the sound files. GIFs of the guest would be an obvious extension.... Some good interviews with Nicholas Negroponte of MIT Media Lab and Paul Saffo of Institute for the Future. No mention of encryption, MIME, pricing, retransmission policy, etc. Some nice commentary on the relationship between this and the broadcast industry. Computer fu. Gratuitous NREN fu. No blood but a little Gore. Joe Bob says "Check it out!" Bill Stewart wcs(a)anchor.att.com

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Unsubscribe me!!!!
by ghabrech＠ultrix.ramapo.edu 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

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ANNOUNCE: Huntsville/Atlanta-area cypherpunks meeting?
by robichau＠lambda.msfc.nasa.gov 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

To echo Eric Fogleman's request for a Boston-area meeting, I'd like to know if there's any local interest in a southeast-US meeting. I'd like to hear from anyone within the quadrilateral with vertices at New Orleans, Atlanta, Huntsville, and Pensacola. As was mentioned, there are some preemptive actions we 'punks should be taking; many of them depend on coordinated action between people in the same geographic region. [And, of course, any other 'punk who happens to be in or near Huntsville is welcome to contact me.] -- Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | May explode if disposed of improperly. Mission Software Development Div. | I'm not white- I'm Euro-American. New Technology, Inc. | RIPEM key on request.

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Privacy awareness (Was: Cypherpunks priorities)
by fergp＠sytex.com 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

Eric Hughes <hughes(a)soda.berkeley.edu> writes - EH> 4. Fighting restrictions on cryptography. In the US, that means EH> getting actively engaged in fighting key registration ideas. This EH> means preemptively writing your elected leaders _in advance_ of a EH> specific issue. It also means writing about export restrictions in EH> cryptography. In France, that means raising public awareness on EH> cryptography restrictions and the eventual effects that will have on EH> the open society there. In all countries, it requires vigilance. Amen, brother. EH> 5. Increasing awareness of privacy issues. Most think they have EH> nothing to hide. Most also hate it when they get extremely detailed EH> junk mail about their own lives. Teach the defense of privacy. This is perhaps the most difficult feat to accomplish. Education and "awareness" are both strictly accomplished on a somewhat voluntary basis. For those who can absorb the importance and criticality of digital privacy, however, it's an eye-opener. A lot of folks have no idea how some of the proposed "legislation" would affect them personally. Cheers. Paul Ferguson | Network Integration Consultant | "All of life's answers are Alexandria, Virginia USA | on TV." fergp(a)sytex.com (Internet) | -- Homer Simpson sytex.com!fergp (UUNet) | 1:109/229 (FidoNet) | PGP public encryption key available upon request.

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ANON: Textual analysis
by root＠rmsdell.ftl.fl.us 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

> This reveals a minor and probably obvious weakness of pseudonyms--writing > styles. We probably need "rephrasing remailers" which do some rudimentary grammar parsing on input text, and randomly substitute equivalent constructs such as switching active/passive voice, synonyms, changing the word order where it is insignificant, joining/splitting sentences, etc. Anyone here have any experience in NLP (natural language processing), specifically parsing english? A possible start would be to look at "grammar checker" programs that check for various grammatical mistakes/misusages and suggest improvements. Another starting point is language translation software. After your text has been translated automatically to spanish -> french -> german -> english, not much of the orignal style will remain. Hopefully, enough meaning will be preserved to allow understanding. Are there any public domain programs that do one of the above? One constraint on these is that the message must be present in clear text, so that it must be the last remailer in the chain. > examination of punctuation styles (e.g., some people use _this_ for > emphasis while others use *this*) This could be alleviated by using a standard markup format, such as MIME RichText, or the simpler markup convention recently proposed on the mime list. -- Yanek Martinson yanek(a)novavax.nova.edu

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PGP: removed from UB
by babani＠cs.Buffalo.EDU 05 Mar '93

05 Mar '93

This message came to me immidatly after I requested the sysadmin here at UB to upgrade to PGP to version 2.1 Do I need to explain this? ---------Begin Included Message----- Organization: University at Buffalo Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 00:20:53 GMT Path: acsu.buffalo.edu!ub!pjg From: ACSU Staff <acsu-staff(a)acsu.buffalo.edu> Subject: UNIX Change Notice -- pgp removed Product: pgp Version: 2 Systems: UCS public suns Change: removed Contact: pjg(a)acsu.buffalo.edu Effective: 2-March-93 Notes: given the questionable legal status of the PGP software it has been removed from UCS supported areas. people interested in authentication/privacy should use ripem. -- +==== Internet: babani(a)cs.buffalo.edu ===+======== Amateur-Radio: N2LYC ======+ ! Bitnet: V078LNGT(a)ubvms.BITNET | UUCP: rutgers!ub!babani ! ! Alternate: an173(a)cleveland.freenet.edu | Plsure dpnds on the othrs prmison. ! +== PGP key available. (If you don't know what a PGP key is... find out!) ==+

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