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re: hi
by Jim Choate 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

toad.com is technicaly deprecated and any current subscribers should move to one of the alternate servers. The vast majority of discussion does not get sent to toad.com. There are currently seven servers to choose from. One server homepage at, http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/index.html The current list is focused on cryptography, civil liberties, and economics. There is quite a bit of secondary chatter on a variety of topics. Sending viruses, suggesting the list be closed to non-members, subscribing the list to various sources of spam, asking for bomb info, and porno being the most popular off-topic topics. The most asked question is probably "How the hell do I get off this list?" or more accurately 'unsuvscribe'. ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Islam M. Guemey wrote: > What kind of fucking mailing list is this? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "IT IS SHOOOSH" <soosha0j03(a)yahoo.com> > To: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:02 PM > Subject: hi > > > > Daer Reciever... > > i am a stuend in an American University... > > and i am taking a public speaking course... > > i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final > > speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my > > audience that seatbelts are not safe as we > > thought...there is a stydu done recently in England > > that showed that... > > > > i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more > > > > thank you > > Rasha > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > >

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Re: Questions of size...
by Ken Brown 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Jim Choate wrote: > The behaviour of the leading proponents of crypto-anarchy when faced with > 'non-compliant' behaviour is clear evidence of why the philosophy doesn't > work. Hang about! No-one has shot at you, confiscated your computer, tried to block or bomb your nodes, sued you, complained to any government officials about you, or written any nasty letters to your mother. All that has happened is some complaints. You can carry on doing what you want, if you want to put up with others having a lower opinion of you. They can carry on doing what they want & if their opinion gets low enough they can ignore you. If anything this is evidence that anarchy does work, at least in the limited-harm domain of a mailing list. Any functioning political anarchy would have to have more local, personal social sanctions on behaviour than an authoritarian society, not less. More one-to-one sanctions, peer-to-peer political interaction, (RAH might have called it a geodesic political culture if he hadn't got this strange Marxist idea that politics is just an emergent property of economics :-) A state society can rely on one-to-many flows of political or social pressure, the government & big business can deal with people as the masses. A natural outgrowth of the one-to-many techniques of cheap mass communications (OK, maybe Hettinga is right after all). The cypherpunks list is a sandpit of many-to-many communications, a realm in which anarchy is the natural, technologically favoured, form of social control. And complaining about the behaviour of others is exactly the sort of social control you'd expect to see happening in an anarchy. Anarchy is a great way to organise mailing lists, peasant villages, and regular evenings at the pub. Maybe it's a great way to organise large-scale industrial societies as well, it remains to be seen. But anarchy doesn't have to mean nobody tells you what to do - it just means that no one person (natural person like a king, or corporate person, like a state) tells everybody else what to do. In anarchy everyone is free to tell you what to do, and you are free to ignore them. Until you piss them off once too often of course... Ken Brown (wow! an on-topic post for once!)

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Re: Questions of size...
by Tim May 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

At 5:56 PM -0500 12/11/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >At 9:48 PM +0000 on 12/11/00, Ben Laurie wrote: > > >> Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two >> points on it" > >Thank you. It works in all dimensions, and, thus it's topological, right? > Topology is typically not concerned with distance metrics. Doughnuts and coffee cups and all. Geometry is what you're thinking of, presumably. Not as sexy as saying something is "a topologically-invariant geodesic fractally-cleared auction space," but that's what happens when buzzwords are used carelessly. By the way, one topological aspect of a geodesic dome, to go back to that, is that each node is surrounded by some number of neighbors. Applied to a "geodesic economy," this image/metaphor would strongly suggest that economic agents are trading with their neighbors, who then trade with other neighbors, and so on. Tribes deep in the Amazon, who deal only with their neighbors, are then the canonical "geodesic economy." This is precisely the _opposite_ of the mulitiply-connected trading situation which modern systems make possible. So, aside from the cuteness of suggesting a connection with geodesic domes, with buckybits as the currency perhaps?, this all creates confusion rather than clarity. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.) --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ---------------End of Original Message----------------- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Questions of size...
by Tim May 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

At 5:56 PM -0500 12/11/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >At 9:48 PM +0000 on 12/11/00, Ben Laurie wrote: > > >> Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two >> points on it" > >Thank you. It works in all dimensions, and, thus it's topological, right? > Topology is typically not concerned with distance metrics. Doughnuts and coffee cups and all. Geometry is what you're thinking of, presumably. Not as sexy as saying something is "a topologically-invariant geodesic fractally-cleared auction space," but that's what happens when buzzwords are used carelessly. By the way, one topological aspect of a geodesic dome, to go back to that, is that each node is surrounded by some number of neighbors. Applied to a "geodesic economy," this image/metaphor would strongly suggest that economic agents are trading with their neighbors, who then trade with other neighbors, and so on. Tribes deep in the Amazon, who deal only with their neighbors, are then the canonical "geodesic economy." This is precisely the _opposite_ of the mulitiply-connected trading situation which modern systems make possible. So, aside from the cuteness of suggesting a connection with geodesic domes, with buckybits as the currency perhaps?, this all creates confusion rather than clarity. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.) --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ---------------End of Original Message----------------- --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Yet Another Survey: Americans have become privacy pragmatists
by Declan McCullagh 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

[Originally sent to politech at politechbot.com. --DBM] --- [I believe Americans care a lot about privacy invasions _when they don't have a choice_ -- such as cops sniffing your house for illegal drugs with airborne drones or Thermovision 210s. But when Americans _get to choose_ whether to give up their privacy in exchange for something of value, they often do. Just look at Safeway discount cards (and, in DC, Fresh Fields discount cards). Obviously not all choices -- health insurance comes to mind -- are as clear. But I don't think Americans will pay a lot extra to protect their privacy. How many Internet consumer-privacy firms have succeeded? --Declan] *******

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RE: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention
by Carskadden, Rush 11 Dec '00

11 Dec '00

James, you are so violently skewed, I'm sea-sick just reading this. Anti-Semite or indifferent to child murder? Is there a third choice? And I might also point out that if you are choosing (correctly, from a technical perspective) to include the Arabs in the general grouping of "Semites", then you must also point out that to avoid being someone who is indifferent to the murder of children, one must be anti-Pope, anti-Jesus, anti-early-Christanity, and anti-cryptanalysis. I don't really buy your generalization, so if you are going to be a vocal bigot, please at least be a little more clear. -----Original Message----- From: James A. Donald [mailto:jamesd@echeque.com] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:24 AM To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention -- Jim Choate wrote: > > Muslims have the stricture not out of privacy concerns but > > property concerns of the husband. Remember, women are things to > > those ragheads. Ken Brown wrote: > Jim is turning in to Tim... When Jews are murdering small children in reprisals against stone throwing by young men, and Arabs are blowing up school buses, then anti semitic statements against both Arabs and Jews become legitimate, indeed required. Are you an anti semite, or are you indifferent to the murder of children. Choose one. Yes, Virginia, not only are there individual evil people, but there are entire evil nations that demand and expect that their members do evil things, a demand widely supported and forcefully encouraged by the people of that nation. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG N6hvr8nWXopwCzktuWlQMZpBXyVkyyohyyGfxxcd 4aXcdw/9Raf7wyVHdrlnGQGeL79UzvNj/vRMzjF+p

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