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Re: Geodesic Fractal Whatzit
by Neil Johnson 14 Dec '00

14 Dec '00

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by R. A. Hettinga 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

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Link to e-commerce bullshit engine
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

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13 Dec '00

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RE: Geodesic Fractal Whatitz
by Carskadden, Rush 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

Well, hell, that's what I said. But you make it sound so much more _clear_. I don't remember who was saying that geodesic definition is based solely on local information, but that appears to be the major roadblock for our logic. If I could find out where this stipulation is coming from and figure out the necessary logical proofs, you could possibly have a water-tight buzzword. I don't believe I have ever heard one of those (the marketing favorite, "paradigm shift" is an excellent example of why buzzwords don't have to be logical anyway). > -----Original Message----- > From: mmotyka(a)lsil.com [mailto:mmotyka@lsil.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:19 AM > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Geodesic Fractal Whatitz > > > > Bob, > > We *do* all trade with our neighbors so your term is only trouble when > looking at the wrong part of the geometry. With trade the > measure should > not be based on physical space or network geometry, those are > transient > and permutable, rather the measure should be based on the proximity of > the parties in terms of goods consumed, goods produced and > pricing. The > networks are not electrical or geographical they're economic. So while > it does affect cost all this communication and transportation > technology > is only the physical layer. > > Mike >

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by BMM 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

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by AL 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

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13 Dec '00

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Fwd: Roadside DNA Tests On Citizens Planned
by JFA 13 Dec '00

13 Dec '00

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