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Re: AT&T signs bulk hosting contract with spammers
by Tim May 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

At 11:26 AM -0500 12/15/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: >>Ah, sorry for not explaining. I provided a link to a photo of the >>particular Fed (of the NIPC) who said that, and the event at which >>he did. No article on the topic, though you can find out more about >>the event at netspionage.com, I believe. --Declan >> >>>BTW the first things the Feds are now saying when they speak in public >>>(http://www.mccullagh.org/image/950-17/aba-netspionage-broadcast.html) >>>is that they do not come in and cart off everything you own. At least >> >that's the latest spin. :) I have no idea what they are saying now, or then, but the "cart off everything you own" has never been a practical reality. Most folks have too much stuff, so the Feds are not interested in clearing a place of everything. I assume this notion got started, at least in our community, during the Steve Jackson Games of a decade or so ago. In that case, the Feds took everything in the office they figured might be helpful...computers, disk drives, even printers. Thrown into boxes, more or less. Lots of damage. Presumably they left office chairs and pen holders. When they raided Bell, they didn't take everything in the house he was in. So, I agree with Ray Dillinger. I don't see any news here. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: 1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

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Inquiry RE: audiobook reviewers
by Dwayne Parsons 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

Found your request on Editor's Choice. I'm a professional writer, avid reader and believe in audiobooks. Spend a lot of time driving across rural Montana. What's your terms? Can you be more specific if your need still exists. I'm capable and interested and have done numerous book reviews from print. Dwayne Parsons netenhance(a)sofast.net

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Texaco secrets received
by Tim May 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

At 9:15 AM -0800 12/15/00, DHT_USA wrote: >:: >Request-Remailing-To: tubbsdh(a)texaco.com > >Alpha 501 121500, end. > Confirm receipt of information regarding Texaco's refinery output. Need additional information re: effects of disabling Motiva refineries as per plan. Payment deposited, Cayman bank.

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minder.net is back
by BMM 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

Traffic should be flowing normally. Thanks, -Brian On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, BMM wrote: > minder.net's ISP's T3 to sprintlink has been down for ~12 hours. This has > caused us to disappear from large portions of the 'net (hence the 30k > messages stacked up in the mail queue). > > Thanks, > > -Brian > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Been receiving a lot of bounces from minder.net. I've removed the site > > from the CDR feed for the time being. > > > > Anyone know what the problem might be outside of a DNS issue? > >

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Perry's Paint Fable comes to mind...
by R. A. Hettinga 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

At 11:35 PM -0600 on 12/13/00, by way of believer(a)telepath.com wrote: > FOR ALL TO SEE > It's a spray which renders sealed envelopes transparent, making the > letters inside as easy to read as postcards. "It leaves an odour for 10 > to 15 minutes," says the spray's inventor, but, apart from that, "no > evidence at all" that it's been used. While the manufacturer describes > "See-Through" as a "non-conductive, non-toxic, environmentally safe > liquid", human rights activists believe "it's an ethically questionable > product" which could tempt security forces to bend laws. > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns226930 -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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RE: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention
by Carskadden, Rush 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

Comment below: > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Vogt [mailto:tom@ricardo.de] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 5:21 AM > To: James A. Donald > Cc: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Re: RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention Tom Vogt: > > > you won't find a "because" that has the structure of, say, a > > > mathematical proof. James A. Donald: > > You cannot prove that iron is iron with the structure of a > mathematical > > proof, because it is a fact about the world, and empirical > fact, ultimately > > resting on the evidence of the senses. To deduce the > necessary "because", > > one must start from the nature of man, and the nature of the world. Tom Vogt: > that's why the "say" is there. it's an example, one possibility, a > counter-point to the ethical argument. it's not all-inclusive. I disagree. An ethical concept can be proven through rhetoric (though it is a challenge sometimes). Morals, on the other hand, are different. According to your particular side of the debate about the nature of morals, they either cannot be proven at all, or they are proven by widespread internalization and adoption lifespan. But that tends to be a philosopher vs. theologian argument, and that very fact is why I tend to Choate the whole thing and say "bullshit" either way.

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All these different addresses.
by Gary Benson 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

How come this list has so many addresses: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net, cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, cypherpunks(a)minder.net, cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com. Is any of these the *real* address, or it is a personal choice? -- My real email address is embedded in my public key: 85A8F78B 6646 CF68 DEA8 07CA CA64 C18C A150 FC2D 85A8 F78B

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YOU HAVE WON a PITCHER of BEER (1 Liter) or a DESSERT or a 10% DISCOUNT
by Govinda 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

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by Micheal Johnson 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

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Re: Re: About 5yr. log retention
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 15 Dec '00

15 Dec '00

Jim Choate wrote : >On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, John Young wrote: > >> But that is trivial compared to your claim that you decide what is evidence >> and that it then becomes illegal to alter or destroy it. That appears to be >> playing cop without the authority. > >No John, that is not my claim. You wish it were I bet. You need to adjust >your meds again. > >The destruction of property or materials which are evidence of a crime is >itself a crime if done intentionally to cover up that crime. > To prove destruction of evidence you must prove that it existed in a form that was retrievable ( good luck ) and then that its destruction was done by a person who was aware of the crime ( not always so in the networking world ) for the purpose of concealing the crime( burden of proof on you ). I clean disk space randomly and not according to any schedule. Erase away, but not on the evil MS platform. Mike The whole idea that a government can assert some sort of eminent domain over all communications is offensive beyond words.

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