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Internet money reaches critical mass
by James A. Donald 30 Dec '00

30 Dec '00

-- I saw a computer advertised in a magazine. I attempted to buy it. Seller wanted payment by paypal or moneyzap Paypal had bugs, which caused my account to become frozen. I phoned back. Me: "You are not far from me -- how about I pay you the old fashioned way" Seller: "We are not set up for that." Trouble is of course, that paypal and the rest are based on true names registered with our beloved government which art in Washington. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG PZWkfSU5nqWkj213i+w5eMQmfIx/x4XVyTsFb5q0 4ZNmMcS6+ml2grpnvZCzxRVqwJI0SGUHQ7NTrnKNO

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your favorite protocols
by dmolnar 30 Dec '00

30 Dec '00

Hi, In view of the recent thread ("That 70's Crypto Show") turning into yet another call for protocol building blocks -- and Wei Dai pointing out very sensibly the problems involved in turning protocols into building blocks -- I think it might help to compile a list of our favorite protocols and problems. Then maybe we can see what common components they share, if any. Finally see if we can make some progress in overcoming the problems that Wei Dai mentioned, or if it really isn't worth the bother. I can think of key exchange - See P1363 project on this digital cash - Chaum fair exchange, 2party only - Merkle, Goldreich et al, others fair exchange, 3rd party - Micali's "invisible post offices" anonymous e-mail - Chaum anonymous web surfing - Freedom/Onion Routing/Crowds/Hordes abuse-free contract singing - Jakobsson/Garay/McKenzie middlemen and contracts - Franklin and Durfee what else? -David

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30 Dec '00

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Re: This is why a free society is evil. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:32:15 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> To: Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net> Subject: Re: This is why a free society is evil. On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Ray Dillinger wrote: > Note: I really wish that people would "get" the distinction > between socialism and fascism on this list. Enlighten us then... Socialism, the management of all property and activity through a central authority, also called a 'command economy' because everything is done through the control and command of a central authority. Fascism, is the management of private property for the goals and policies of the state. Ownership of that 'private' property is contingent upon compliance and performance. The term itself comes from the Italian name for a Roman weapon which consisted of a group of reeds banded together with a axe head embedded. The point to the symbolism is that together we are stronger than apart (refering to the strength of individual reeds compared to when bundled). The distinction is simply at what point they step in and take away 'your' property. > I realize both look substantially the same from the libertarian/anarchist > perspective in that they involve controlling people. Actually, other than the issue private ownership they are nearly identical in philosophy and goals. > But they have different ideologies and reasons for controlling people, No they don't. They ostensibly want to create a workable utopic society where everyone gets what they need. The question they are trying to answer (the question that ALL political, socialogical, and religious theory try to answer) is 'who gets to make the decision' and 'what is the range of acceptable decisions'. > and to use them interchangeably is to be WRONG slightly more > than half the time. Not if used in the context I used them in. That they both end up taking the decision making point away from the individual and move it toward a central authority. In that sense the results of the two, though their process may differ, is to create a system where a few benefit from the many. > If you want a word you can use for both types of government, plus > dictatorships and feudal/aristocratic systems, try "totalitarian". A dictatorship simply means that a single individual is in charge and has ultimate authority. The resultant system can have a variety of other paramters. It is not nearly as defining a term as 'socialism' or 'fascism'. The same goes for feudal/aristocratic (which by the way aren't related in the way this pairing would indicate). And neither do these need to be totalitarian. It is quite feasible for dictatorships (say Ceasar in Rome and the relation with Jews/Christians) to harbor a variety of philosophies and political systems. > I have long felt that we could comfortably shrink government > if open markets were established to help settle such conflicts. Open markets don't settle conflicts, they barter goods. This takes us right back to the question I was asking about a few weeks ago (Hayek was asking it of you as well). How does one reach the economic equilibrium which free market economies require? It is clear that they wil not spontaneously form, despite your claims here to the contrary. > If there are no laws, and both of you are committed to resolving the > issue without violence, you probably both put money on the barrelhead > to be paid to the other in the event you don't abide by an arbitrator's > decision, and then go to an arbitrator and ask his opinion. If a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bust its butt when it jumped. > That's if you're civic minded, I suppose. You suppose? So even you're not sure if it will work or not? Is that correct? > The fact is though, a lot of people wouldn't do that if they thought the > arbitrator was likely to side with the other guy. Why would an anarchist accept 3rd party arbitration? How is this any different than 'government'? If the arbitration doesn't conform to some sort of principle and standards then it's arbitrary and nobody with half a click of a clue will agree to arbitration with no principles or standards available. Anarchy was meant to prevent just this sort of situation. And what happens if one or more of the parties, excluding the arbiter, decide that neither want to comply? How does the arbiter enforce it? > Things become a lot easier if your property deed is a truly *complete* > description of the property; 'property deed'? There is no government or law, there is no deed. You weren't paying attention the other day during the Goldback and fractal discussions, you can't create complete descriptions. > in that case you know who owns the volume > over the fence (or whether it's held in common) and your neighbor > started charging you rent for the encroachment of your tree into his > volume years ago. And why would I do that? Where did this standard come from in an anarchy? Where is the 'law' that decides that initial 'volumetric' estimate? Why should either party comply with such a description? > If you don't want to pay the rent, you have a few choices; you can trim your > tree to keep it in your property, you can buy from him the volume over the > fence where the tree's limbs are spreading, or you can offer tenancy in > common of the volume in question, giving him the right to encroach into the > volume near your house too. Or I can tell the fat slob to trim his own roof and leave me alone. Then when he comes over later I shoot him and get both his house and mine now. > Note, this assumes sufficient government that property rights and There is no government, it's an anarchy remember. Blipverts strike again. [remainder deleted out of mercy] ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Cost of California Liberalism
by Raymond D. Mereniuk 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

In recent years California citizens have decided against new electric power generation projects within their jurisdiction and to enforce strict air pollution standards on any existing facilities. This is great as long as the people making this decision pay the cost. Unfortunately the cost of these decisions are not being borne only be the citizens of California. The bad decisions of the citizens of California have produced an energy crisis in what is called the Northwest for which all citizens in what is called the Northwest must pay the price. Here I sit in Vancouver BC Canada paying outrageous prices for natural gas because of the demand in California for natural gas for heating and electrical generation purposes. I feel California should pay for their previous decisions themselves, if you don't want power plants don't use power or pay the complete premium for your decision. Of course the system can never be made to work in this way so here I sit in Canada paying for bad decisions in California. Virtually Raymond D. Mereniuk Raymond(a)fbn.bc.ca "The Ultimate Enterprise Security Experts" http://www.fbn.bc.ca/sysecurt.html

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Reminder... Mac Crypto Jan 29th - Feb 1st
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

Hi all; Below is a preliminary list of talks scheduled for the Millennium Edition of the Mac Crypto/ Internet commerce workshop. The conference will be held at Apple's Deanza 3 Auditorium from Jan 29th - Feb 1st . I have had a lot of people propose talks but only a few have actually sent me their abstracts. If you are on the list below and would like to correct the abstracts, please send me the updated text. If you are not on the list but plan to talk, then send me the abstract now. thanks. ------------------ Jonathan D. Callas Counterpane Internet Security "The Effect of Anti-Circumvention Provisions on Security" One of the properties of digital Intellectual Property (IP) is that it can be easily reproduced, modified, and transferred. In response, IP owners have created creating new security technologies for controlling the digital works. Inevitably, this creates an opportunity for those who can circumvent those technologies. ------------------- Will Price, Director of Engineering PGP Security, Inc. "PGP Future Directions" Will Price will discuss new technologies in PGP such as Key Reconstruction, Instant Messaging encryption, PGP for Wireless, and future directions of PGP on the MacOS platform. ---------------------- Jean-Luc GIRAUD <Jean-Luc.GIRAUD(a)gemplus.com> "Security Architect". Gemplus (www.gemplus.com) "Introduction to Smartcards" This tutorial gives a general overview of the smartcard technology and its added value for cryptography and security. Classical smartcard concepts (card life cycle, smartcard structure, required infrastructure,...) are covered along with recent ones like open cards (Javacard,...). New applications and potentail security enhancements to MacOS X are given. Finally, the current state of the art in smartcard security is described. A lot of ressources are listed to give attendees the opportunity to access more detailed information. ------------------ Charles Evans <cwe(a)chyden.net>, Partner, BEK Ventures, "Secure, Real-Time Financial Transactions Using WebFunds on the Mac." The talk will center on real-world transfer of value in the form of either a) exchange among commodity-back electronic currencies or b) trading of shares in micro-enterprises. -- Vinnie Moscaritolo KF6WPJ ITCB-IMSH http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ PGP: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 ------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: POLITICALLY INCORRECT AREA All P.C. Personnel entering these premises will encounter gravely offensive behavior and opinions. (SEC4623. Ministry of political incorrection security act of 1995) RAMPANT INSENSITIVITY AUTHORIZED --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Reminder... Mac Crypto Jan 29th - Feb 1st
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

Hi all; Below is a preliminary list of talks scheduled for the Millennium Edition of the Mac Crypto/ Internet commerce workshop. The conference will be held at Apple's Deanza 3 Auditorium from Jan 29th - Feb 1st . I have had a lot of people propose talks but only a few have actually sent me their abstracts. If you are on the list below and would like to correct the abstracts, please send me the updated text. If you are not on the list but plan to talk, then send me the abstract now. thanks. ------------------ Jonathan D. Callas Counterpane Internet Security "The Effect of Anti-Circumvention Provisions on Security" One of the properties of digital Intellectual Property (IP) is that it can be easily reproduced, modified, and transferred. In response, IP owners have created creating new security technologies for controlling the digital works. Inevitably, this creates an opportunity for those who can circumvent those technologies. ------------------- Will Price, Director of Engineering PGP Security, Inc. "PGP Future Directions" Will Price will discuss new technologies in PGP such as Key Reconstruction, Instant Messaging encryption, PGP for Wireless, and future directions of PGP on the MacOS platform. ---------------------- Jean-Luc GIRAUD <Jean-Luc.GIRAUD(a)gemplus.com> "Security Architect". Gemplus (www.gemplus.com) "Introduction to Smartcards" This tutorial gives a general overview of the smartcard technology and its added value for cryptography and security. Classical smartcard concepts (card life cycle, smartcard structure, required infrastructure,...) are covered along with recent ones like open cards (Javacard,...). New applications and potentail security enhancements to MacOS X are given. Finally, the current state of the art in smartcard security is described. A lot of ressources are listed to give attendees the opportunity to access more detailed information. ------------------ Charles Evans <cwe(a)chyden.net>, Partner, BEK Ventures, "Secure, Real-Time Financial Transactions Using WebFunds on the Mac." The talk will center on real-world transfer of value in the form of either a) exchange among commodity-back electronic currencies or b) trading of shares in micro-enterprises. -- Vinnie Moscaritolo KF6WPJ ITCB-IMSH http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ PGP: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 ------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: POLITICALLY INCORRECT AREA All P.C. Personnel entering these premises will encounter gravely offensive behavior and opinions. (SEC4623. Ministry of political incorrection security act of 1995) RAMPANT INSENSITIVITY AUTHORIZED --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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recent paper on composition of protocols
by dmolnar 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

Hi, In case anyone wants to take a look, Ran Canetti has a 63-page paper on secure composition of protocols up at eprint.iacr.org . I haven't read through it yet, but it may be of interest. http://eprint.iacr.org/2000/067/ -David

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Fwd: Re: The Cost of Natural Gas [was Re: The Cost of California Liberalism]
by James A. Donald 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

-- > > > For those who care, take a look at > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/10/opinion/10KRUG.html which is > > > an op-ed piece by an MIT Economics prof. describing the > > > California situation in the same terms I have. He cites a > > > paper which in turn cites evidence that artificial shortages > > > were previously created in the UK (1996) and California (1998 & > > > 1999). unfortunately no detail, but it is more than just random > > > conspiracy theory. On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, James A. Donald wrote: > > He describes the california system as "deregulated", but the fact > > that it takes many years to get permission to build a power plant > > -- that it takes longer to get permits than to actually build one, > > is undoubtedly a contributing factor to the crisis. Ray Dillinger > Odd. If it's "deregulated", why do the power companies have to ask > CPUC's permission to raise rates? I don't think deregulated" means > what he thinks it means. What has happened is that we in California have moved from a state imposed and controlled monopoly, to a highly regulated market. This has not worked well, one of the many reasons being that those who now have to decide to build power plants are now the evil greedy developers, rather than the wise and benevolent bureaucrats, and in consequence those who want to build power plants are having great difficulty. Naturally, however, all the newspapers are entirely confident that the problem is capitalist greed. If it was not for those greedy people itching to destroy the environment by building power plants, we would have plenty of power. This is analogous to the US health care crisis. If an evil greedy capitalist health care institution decides not to give an elderly pauper triple bypass surgery, in order to retain ever greater bloated profits, that is an intolerable evil of capitalism. If, however, a rational bureaucrat decides to wisely ration bypass surgery by ensuring that it only goes to those who can truly benefit from it, that is a wonderful saving on health costs. As a result, governmental health care systems really are much better at controlling costs that regulated semi private health care systems. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 90e6UF9IrKiRsj8L3J8wgY3bcw3+zYgljEnNQxpA 4YCLYYMYEDsPsyAdXW3SXlqSzZ/KoouNTW9GP2nx/

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ATTN: Bruble2 mix key mixup
by bruble-admin 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

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