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have you heard of cypherpunks?
by Blank Frank 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

At 05:26 PM 4/3/01 -0400, John Young wrote: >Tacoma 2PM >A party said the first question asked of prospective >jurors was: "have you heard of cypherpunks?" Yeah, it was Jude M's nickname for a friend's intellectual-clique. ..... This is your brain. This is your brain on crypto. Any questions?

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Day #1: U.S. v. Jim Bell report from federal court in Tacoma
by Declan McCullagh 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

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Monty Python, with Tim May and Eric Hughes
by Blank Frank 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

At 09:28 PM 4/3/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Cypherpunks and AP play a key >role of the government's case, with Tim May and Eric Hughes being >mentioned, and this is just Day One. The anarchist (tm) Black Block of Seattle was a psyop to prime the grand jury's adrenals. Channelling JY's divine paranoia/prescience, BF

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Seattle cypherpunks group
by Matthew Gaylor 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

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Bell Trial Day 1/2
by John Young 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Tacoma 2PM Declan's motion to avoid testifying was denied, though Judge Tanner said defense cross-examination would be limited to his testimony. Declan is testifying this afternoon. Judge Tanner twice warned Jim to not speak out and that he will be muzzled or taken "down stairs" if he does so. No mistrial, Jack barked. Jim scribbled "SHAM" on a notepad and displayed it to the courtroom. Declan and I were excluded from the courtroom after the hearing on his motion and the jury was empaneled. My partner is allowed to remain but is not allowed to tell me what is happening in the courtroom until after my testimony tomorrow or the next day. Nor can I buy a copy of the transcript until after I testify. My partner can buy it but cannot show it to me. My partner strictly obeys the rules. Anonymous showed a copy of the feds memorandum on how the trial is to proceed, about 40 pages. There may be a chance of getting this at the end of the day if the judge returns the case file to the public records office. A quick glance at the memo revealed the feds witness and evidence lists. At least one other alleged cpunk listed. In fact, it looks as though anybody who spoke with Jim in jail has been subpoenaed, except Adam Ciralsky of 60 Minutes, who is covering the trial but has not been subpoenaed. All calls were recorded, some of them to be used as evidence. The memo reveals that the feds have been tracking Jim for a long time, including using high tech devices and udercover agents, as Jim has been claiming. The memo makes considerable use of "murder-for-hire on the Internet." Anonymous said the stalking law used against Jim was enacted only a month before his arrest, and this trial is the first application of the law. A party said the first question asked of prospective jurors was: "have you heard of cypherpunks?" The memo states I will be asked about a post to cpunks concerning location of CIA agents and that I might invoke the 5th. And that I will be immunized if that happens. My partner expects a subpoena to disclose what we speculate is the real reason for the Bell trial: training for prosecuting counterterrorism in the homeland. Retroactive application of laws and investigations once limited to foreign enemies.

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Suggested Reading
by Jim Choate 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Greenhouse Summer Norman Spinrad ISBN 0-812-56656-4 $7 US Q: Do some ends justify the means? Does doing a lesser evil justified if it stops a greater evil? My answer: No, because the 'end' is just another 'means' to a different end. ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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What happened with the subpoena: Report from Tacoma courthouse
by Declan McCullagh 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

[originally sent to politech] U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner did not grant our motion to quash the subpoena, so I took the stand this afternoon. When I did, I confirmed that I was the author of two Wired News articles and I said I believed those articles were accurate. When the prosecution and (mainly) defense asked me other questions, each time I said I "respectfully declined" to answer that question based on my First Amendment privilege as a journalist. I did this about six times before both sides gave up and said they had no further questions. Also, Assistant U.S. Attorney Robb London asked the judge to declare me a "hostile witness," but Tanner did not rule on the government's motion. The questions I refused to answer included whether I subscribed to the cypherpunks list, whether I interviewed government agents while writing my articles, what else defendant Jim Bell told me in other conversations, and whether I knew cypherpunks co-founder Eric Hughes. I did not answer any of those questions. This morning I emailed family and some close friends with emergency contact info for my attorney, Tim Alger, in case I was held in contempt and went to jail. Some were concerned enough that they already contacted Tim, and it's heartwarming to know that you have friends who will do that for you. Thanks (you know who you are). As an aside, this is a very interesting trial. It appears to be the first time the new "interstate stalking" law will be tested in court, the first time a defendant has been prevented from viewing discovery material because he wishes to post it to the Internet, the first time the Feds appear to be using a GPS bug implanted in a defendant's car, and so on. Local journalists or interested politechnicals may want to stop by the Tacoma federal courthouse tomorrow. I'll send along a writeup of today's proceedings later on. -Declan Tacoma, Washington http://www.politechbot.com/p-01882.html

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The Register - America brainwashed...
by Jim Choate 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18079.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Register - Fear and loathing in small town America
by Jim Choate 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18069.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Register - Stab yourself in the back...
by Jim Choate 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18057.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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