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Re: Pleading the 5th
by aluger＠hushmail.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:52:46 -0500 (CDT), "J.A. Terranson" <measl(a)mfn.org> wrote: > >On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote: > > >You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate >you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares >me is the use of "involuntary immunizations" by persecuters to get around >the invocation... Uh... no. And you got your law degree WHERE? Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com

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by newsletter＠gozilla.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

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Grand Jury testimony vs. the Constitution
by Blank Frank 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

At 10:29 PM 4/4/01 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >In light of recent "situations" involving cpunks and the courts, I've been >thinking about the 5th Amendment. > >I pose two questions: > >If called to testify in a criminal case, and asked the question "Are you >known by any other names" (or a derivative of that question), could one >plead the fifth in order to prevent the disclosure of a pseudonym? Yes, see below. > >If asked the question "have you ever communicated with [third party]", >could one plead the fifth if that communication was made through a >pseudonym, and tying that pseudonym to oneself could potentially be >incriminating? Sure sounds possible, ergo plead-able. The 5th is up to you to decide ---after all, only you know what you've done or might be linked to. You can only be forced to talk to a GJ if given immunity for anything you say, by arrangement beforehand; I think this came up during Monicagate. (BTW, watch for your violations of State law when immunized only against Fed charges..) JY or DM could easily take the 5th if they so chose. Instead, every word they choose may be misconstrued; they have no idea of the context the persecutor [sic] has set up. How would anyone (including themselves or their council) prove to the subpeona'd that any answer associating them with JB would not be incriminating in the next wave? Look at how JY "sent" JB out to "stalk" the CIA spook. I would take some time (an hour) to consider any answers I chose to give them, and I would write it down first. Answers that I chose to give would be as short as possible; "journalism" suffices to motivate cryptome. As well as DM's articles. GJ folks should also leave the room and have a cup of coffee with their attorney after each question has been posed, so that the court audience enjoys the same wasted time as the speakers. You don't have to speak to LE (including on the street), but if you do, lying is a crime (though they can lie to you); best to say nil. When you come back into the courtroom, see if you can time a fart as you go past the bench. ........ "Give a man a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde

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Cornerstones of tedium
by Jimmy Inchoate 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

There are two fundamental corner-stones to a group bore: Tendency to make pompous assertions Missing sense of humor ____________________________________________________________________ Reminder: insert quote here that makes me look clever and well-read. _(__)_ V '-e e -'__,--.__) The Armored Dildo Group (o_o) ) Jimmy Inchoate \. /___. | ravaged(a)homebase.cryptofortress.com ||| _)/_)/ o //_(/_(/_( ooo --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Register - Wired report testifies in Cypherpunks trial
by Jim Choate 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18104.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Cornerstones of society
by Jim Choate 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

There are two fundamental corner-stones to any society: Toleration Self-defence ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Americans willing to give up privacy rights
by Bill Orme 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

"As the U.S. Congress continues to wrestle with Internet privacy issues, a contradictory bit of evidence has been tossed into consideration -- Americans would be happy to let law enforcement agencies intercept criminal e-mail ..." * * * "A survey by the Pew Internet & American Life Project found that 73 percent of those asked were more worried about criminals using the Web to plan and carry out their activities than they were about personal privacy issues..." More on this story at: http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/8656.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Computer User: Fifty-Four Percent in U.S. Support FBI E-mail Snooping ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Story Highlights: "While an overwhelming majority of U.S. residents worry about Internet crime like child pornography and credit card theft, slightly more than half say it's OK for the FBI to monitor suspects' e- mail..." * * * "Only 14 percent say existing laws related to interception of telephone calls are adequate to cover Internet crime investigations..." More on this story at: http://www.currents.net/news/01/04/04/news9.html

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RAT FINK MINI POSTERS - Gun Control (humor)
by Jim Choate 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

http://www.mooneyesusa.com/RE/RE072_75.htm -- Adapt, Adopt, Improvise! - Anonymous Venimus, Vidimus, Delevimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate jchoate(a)tivoli.com Senior Engineer 512-436-1062

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Greenspan pitches free trade - Apr. 4, 2001
by Jim Choate 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/04/04/economy/wires/greenspan_wg/?s=2 -- Adapt, Adopt, Improvise! - Anonymous Venimus, Vidimus, Delevimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate jchoate(a)tivoli.com Senior Engineer 512-436-1062

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Slashdot | Does Peer-to-Peer Suck?
by Jim Choate 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

http://slashdot.org/features/01/03/27/1820213.shtml -- Adapt, Adopt, Improvise! - Anonymous Venimus, Vidimus, Delevimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate jchoate(a)tivoli.com Senior Engineer 512-436-1062

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