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very important
by g�khan sahin 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

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Fwd: Privacy Lecture Series: Computer Crime, Search And Seizure
by Robert Guerra 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --- begin forwarded text PRIVACY LECTURE SERIES <http://privacy.openflows.org> "COMPUTER CRIME, SEARCH AND SEIZURE" WEDNESDAY, April 11, 2001 TIME: 7:00 to 8:30 p.m. Arni Stinnissen Detective Staff Sergeant Ontario Provincial Police 140 St. George, Room 728 Faculty of Information Studies (building adjacent to Robarts Library) University of Toronto (Toronto, Ontario, Canada) Arni's talk will cover the following topics: - -- What is Computer Crime? - -- Technology Specific Offences - -- Criminal Code Offences - -- Mischief to Data - -- Theft of Data - -- Fraud - -- Search Authorities - -- Powers to Search - -- Problems Investigating Computer Crime - -- The Evolution of the Law This talk is likely raise a lot of vexing question regarding the balance of individual privacy rights and the need of law enforcment agencies to do their job effectively. Arni Stinnissen is a senior police officer with over 22 years of experience with the Ontario Provincial Police. Arni is the Team Leader for the new Electronic Crime Team of Anti-Rackets section specializing in applying his technological and organizational skills to handle the burgeoning caseload of reported computer-based crime for the OPP. Arni also manages the document imaging system which converts hard copy documents into electronic documents for investigational and disclosure purposes. Arni has successfully completed numerous computer-based courses from the Canadian Police College. The lectures are free of charge, and there is NO need for registration. If you would like to receive the announcements from the Privacy Lecture Series please register at <http://privacy.openflows.org> For more info contact: Ana Viseu <ana.viseu(a)utoronto.ca> Robert Guerra <robert(a)cryptorights.org> - ----------------- Privacy Lecture Series Announcement http://privacy.openflows.org - --- end forwarded text -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP PP 6.5.8O iQA/AwUBOtNqDj/LvgW6Rtg3EQJQRQCePIoi/lBWLS1joByy82MbPoU7D8QAn2lH RSVD9YjVP7IVZ2efqrUJGGw9 =klAd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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Federal tracking of drivers
by Norm DePlume 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

choice excerpt: Information compiled by the Border Patrol on PAL users is confidential, and federal officials are concerned about others possibly gaining access to it. This Is Traffic That Doesn't Compute Drivers who use tollway transponders and a Border Patrol shortcut lane suddenly can't do both, because of an equipment change. A solution is on the way. By H.G. REZA, Times Staff Writer A clash of technology is forcing drivers to choose between electronic transponders issued by tollway agencies for use on toll roads and those issued by the Border Patrol for a commuter lane at the immigration checkpoint near San Clemente. Both devices use the same frequency. But they are incompatible because one is used for collecting tolls and the other for hurrying through a federal checkpoint. Drivers who would normally be able to use both are being forced to choose one. All of which has some commuters fuming. "It's stupid. What's the sense of issuing incompatible transponders that can only be used on separate systems?" said Charles DeMarco, an Orange County business owner. DeMarco has a transponder issued by the Transportation Corridor Agencies, which manage three local toll roads, and until recently he could also use the commuter lane at the San Clemente checkpoint. Both agencies are working on a solution, with a compatible system expected to be up and running in a month. The Border Patrol's commuter lane--called PAL for Pre-Authorized Lane--was opened in 1997 and used bar code stickers and readers. On April 1, the Border Patrol switched to transponders, presenting a problem for some drivers authorized to use the lane, Agent Fernando Grijalva said. He estimated that 35% of the 1,500 vehicles authorized to use the PAL also use transponders issued by the tollway agencies. These vehicles were not given Border Patrol transponders, he said. TCA spokeswoman Lisa Telles said that about 300,000 transponders--called FasTrak--have been issued to toll road users. FasTrak units can also be used on other roadways throughout California where fees are collected electronically. FasTrak transponders are issued when a prepaid account is established, and fees are deducted electronically. Border Patrol transponders are free, once an applicant passes a criminal background check. "The problem we have is that FasTrak is a currency-based system. Ours is free, and they are two different systems," Grijalva said. "PAL users have to undergo a security check to make sure they don't have a criminal background. All FasTrak users have to do is keep money in their accounts." Compounding the problem: Information compiled by the Border Patrol on PAL users is confidential, and federal officials are concerned about others possibly gaining access to it. Telles said the compatible system being developed would enable PAL users to sail along on local tollways if they open an account, and FasTrak users who pass a background check to use the faster commuter lane at the San Clemente checkpoint. "We are about to enter into an agreement with the Border Patrol. FasTrak users who also want to use the PAL lane will have to get a new transponder from the Border Patrol," she said. "If you already have a PAL transponder, we'll be able to take that coding and integrate it into our system to establish a FasTrak account for drivers who want to use our roads." Vehicles with a PAL transponder but not a FasTrak account will be cited if they use the toll roads without paying, Telles said. Conversely, Grijalva said vehicles with FasTrak transponders that have not received PAL clearance will be stopped and possibly searched. Drivers like DeMarco say the incompatibility problems cannot be ironed out soon enough. "My business takes me to San Diego County quite a bit, and it's frustrating having to crawl along with other cars as they make their way through the checkpoint when the PAL lane is also available. It's not just the business trips. My wife is from Rosarito, so we rely on the PAL lane a lot," he said. Grijalva said many PAL users wanted to continue using the old bar code system to go through the checkpoint commuter lane while a single system is developed. "We had to tell them that the bar code reader is no longer being used, and we can't issue them a transponder until a solution is worked out [with the tollway agencies]. You can't use the PAL lane without a transponder, even if you've already passed a background check," he said. Frank Barbagallo, deputy director of toll operations for the tollway agencies, said vehicles are allowed to use multiple transponders if the devices use different frequencies. FasTrak, licensed by the TCA, is the standard established by Caltrans for collecting tolls throughout the state, he said, and uses "the same radio frequency . . . throughout the state. The problem here arose when the Border Patrol decided to use the same frequency for its PAL transponder. The same frequency is being used for two different systems." http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/20010410/t000030569.html

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Germans bring fascism back
by Blank Frank 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

[Achtung: Despite the jab, I realize you can substitute "Amerikan" for "German" and "kiddie-prawn" for "nazitunz" -Ed.] Tuesday April 10 1:41 PM ET Germany Cracks Down on Internet Nazi Music Trade By Adam Tanner BERLIN (Reuters) - German police swooped down on the homes of more than 100 computer buffs in a new crackdown on the illegal trade of Nazi songs over the Internet, officials said on Tuesday. The federal crime agency said the prosecutor's office in Bonn had opened 120 cases against computer enthusiasts accused of trading illegal songs of far-right ``skinhead bands.'' Displaying Nazi symbols and trading Nazi music are banned in Germany, but the Internet has made it ever more difficult for authorities to stem the flow of such material. A quick search of the Internet shows many sites offering compact MP3 files of songs such as the ``Horst Wessel Song'' -- the anthem of the Nazi party -- and many modern-day variants such as the ``Swastika Flies Again.'' Even though swapping music files over the Internet is most common in the United States, the MP3 compression technique that enabled the easy transfer of files was created in Germany. German officials said it is not illegal to listen to Nazi songs, but it is forbidden to offer others the chance to download them via internet sites which offer music for sale and swapping. Seized Computers And Disks The federal crime agency said local police across Germany had searched apartments belonging to 103 people in a coordinated operation last week. They seized computers and disks and the suspects face prison sentences of up to three years. ``The crime agency measures are seen as successful and show that even the Internet music exchange market is not a lawless realm,'' the agency said in a statement. Even if Germany scores occasional battles against electronic hate, officials say they are facing an ever-growing menace. ``None of us wants the Internet to turn into a stomping group of anti-social and anti-community rabble-rousers and preachers of hate,'' Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin told a conference on governing the Internet last week. ``But in the past year such Web sites have become numerous despite all efforts.'' The Interior Ministry denied in a statement on Tuesday a report that it was considering using hacking methods to disable sites whose content is illegal in Germany. ``Internet sites with far-right, neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic and violence-glorifying contents are a growing threat,'' the ministry said. ``These offerings are nearly always put on the net from abroad, so Germany has no legal grounds (for action).'' The ministry said it was working closely with national authorities and international bodies to counter the problem. A French court last year ordered the popular web site Yahoo to block access to sites offering Nazi memorabilia for sale. In France it is illegal to exhibit or sell objects with racist overtones.

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the consequences of innumeracy on IP enforcement
by Blank Frank 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

Jury Intended Higher Award Against MP3.Com NEW YORK--A federal judge is considering what to do about an almost $300,000 copyright infringement verdict awarded against online music company MP3.com (MPPP.O) after jurors told him their math was wrong and they had intended a figure of several million dollars. On Friday a Manhattan federal jury ordered MP3.com to pay the damages to independent record label Tee Vee Toons, which represents artists such as Snoop Dogg and Nine-Inch Nails. MP3.com hailed the verdict as a victory because Tee Vee was seeking $8.5 million for the illegal copying about 145 of its copyrighted works. Later, however, at least two of the eight jurors contacted U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff, who presided over the trial, and said the amount should have been in the range of $2 million to $3 million. Rakoff told lawyers at a hearing on Monday that the jurors apparently omitted a zero when assessing the damage amount for the majority of works involved. Instead of $3,125 for each of about 75 works, the damage award should have been $31,250 per work. The judge questioned seven of the jurors in closed proceedings on Monday and concluded with the eighth on Tuesday. He also asked lawyers for MP3.com and Tee Vee to submit arguments about the matter. A clerk for the judge said he is not expected to rule for about three weeks. Privately owned TVT Records, which owns Tee Veen Toons, had sued MP3.com claiming its Instant Listening service violated TVT copyrights by making TVT songs available to Web surfers for listening online. http://www.latimes.com/wires/20010410/tCB00a8779.html

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Create 3D for over 200 million: Director 8.5 announced!
by newsflash＠macromedia.com 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

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Re: Re: Pleading the 5th
by David Honig 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

At 09:10 AM 4/7/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >Napster has a problem because they're distributing work that belongs to >somebody else. > They're not distributing anything but their software, and running an index-server.

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TannerWatch: Jack don't need no body language
by Norm DePlume 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

Law And Justice by Irv Benzion When I think of Law and Justice my thoughts are directed to the film "Judgment at Nuremberg." I picture Spencer Tracy in his portrayal of the "Presiding Judge," sifting through mountains of evidence and contradictory testimony with only one objective in mind... to search for the truth. This editorial is for me the most difficult article I have yet written!!! You are probably unaware as was I that it is illegal to criticize a federal judge or his/her actions or to cause "disrespect" to the federal court system. A federal judge may if in his/her opinion such an occurrence arises, issue a warrant, have you arrested and send you to jail without trial, appeal or parole. A citizen of this country may criticize the President Of The United States but not a federal court judge. Using the First Amendment as a defense for an alleged criticism is not acceptable. And for that reason you will see no criticism of a federal judge in any newspaper. I feel that the shooting community owes a debt to Tacoma's _The News Tribune's_ management and reporter Russell Carollo for his unbiased and even-handed reporting of Al Woodbridge's trial. Al's tribulations could easily have been turned into a forum to bash gun owners and gun ownership. The _Trib_, not known to be a friend to the gun owner in this instance displayed the highest standards and ideals of journalism, for which they truly deserve our thanks. It is not my intention to argue at this time Woodbridge's guilt or innocence; as you already know he was found guilty as charged. I was in attendance tat the pre-trial motion hearing and the second day of the trial so I witnessed the major portion of the trial. I must admit that I am not a lawyer nor have I personally had any legal training, so it would be impossible for me to ascertain the correctness or incorrectness of "points of law" or what constitutes "admissible evidence." All I have is the common sense that the Almighty gave me. I have always believed that the Law was in most part founded on common sense and a search for the truth... perhaps, I am too naive. Based on the above we shall be using the following three articles from the _Tribune_ to inform you of what transpired at Al's trial. After which I would like to explore with you what I think the implications of the verdict are as it impacts Washington gun owners. And in conclusion, we will look at what is the aftermath of Woodbridge's trial and what you can do to help. Woodbridge, a licensed firearms dealer, has strong ties to pro- gun groups. He is a former president of the Washington National Firearms Act Association, a machine-gun owners group. He won first in 1989 and second place in 1990 in the submachine gun division of the Oregon state machine-gun championship. Since the legal battle began, Woodbridge has become a high-profile spokesman and lobbyist for Washington gun owners. As a registered lobbyist for the Gun Owners Action League of Washington, Woodbridge gained a reputation during the past year as a moderate voice within the gun lobby. He became the gun lobbyist most sought by lawmakers. "If he gave his word, he was willing to go back to his members and say, 'I gave my word and that's what we're living with," said Rep. Marlin Appelwick, a Seattle Democrat who chairs the House Judiciary Committee. Just last week, he testified before Appelwick's committee about proposed gun legislation, assuring lawmakers that gun owners would not oppose efforts to keep handguns away from juveniles. During the last session, his approval was vital to passage of a controversial law allowing police to destroy seized handguns. Gun advocates supported the former method of disposal: auctioning the weapons to licensed firearms dealers. Woodbridge personally inspected weapons in a Seattle storage room and found that most of them were of little value to collectors or dealers. His endorsement, legislators said, convinced lawmakers to vote for the change. Woodbridge also was well-known among police agencies, according to his attorneys. A court document says the clientele at Big Al's includes "several police agencies." Various other pro-gun groups have agreed to help pay legal expenses, said Paul Williams, executive director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, a lobby group. Williams said the groups were grateful 'for all the work he's done for firearms groups in the state.' I think people are inclined to pay him back when he needs it." State and federal prosecutors have pursued the state's top pro-gun spokesman on weapons charges since 1989. But in Allen Woodbridge's federal court trial Tuesday in Tacoma, his defense took about 30 minutes, the time it took for a single witness to testify. The defense had hoped to call several other witnesses to convince jury that the guns confiscated from Woodbridge in 1989 were not machine guns. But the federal judge hearing the case, Judge Jack E. Tanner, wouldn't let the witnesses testify. The witnesses, Tanner said, offered no specific defense to the allegations against Woodbridge. "That'll be denied," Tanner told defense attorney Richard DeJean of Sumner, prompting DeJean to shift his body from side to side. Tanner added: "And I don't need any body language." Woodbridge's only remaining witness was Don Manning, a Yakima gunsmith who testified that some of weapons parts confiscated from Woodbridge were made from legal semi-automatic weapons. The trial began Monday, when a jury of seven men and five women was selected. Woodbridge, a high-profile lobbyist for the Washington Arms Collectors club, is charged with 12 counts of federal weapons violations, including possession of machine guns. Much of the case against Woodbridge is based on his ownership of AR-15s, usually legal so long as they fire only semi- automatically --- one shot per pull of the trigger. It is illegal, however, to equip the guns with parts enable them to fire automatically --- more than one shot per trigger pull. Monday, Doug Craze, a firearms examiner for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in Washington, D.C., testified that the AR-15s taken from Woodbridge apparently had been modified to fire automatically. During a hearing Friday DeJean argued that Woodbridge, who had no criminal record, has a federal firearms license permitting him to own automatic weapons. He also said the guns taken in the search were not automatic weapons, and the suspect parts in them were legally installed by the manufacturer before laws were changed. A federal court jury was still deliberating the fate of Sumner gun dealer Allen Woodbridge on Wednesday, but U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner already had made up his mind. "There is no question in this court's mind... that you are --- guilty as charged," Tanner told Woodbridge, a high-profile gun lobbyist charged with owning illegal machine guns. Veteran attorneys said it is highly unusual for a judge to comment on a defendant's guilt or innocence before a verdict. The court reporter said he had requests for transcripts of the judge's comments. The jury began deliberating Wednesday afternoon but was sent home for the day after only about two hours. The jury foreman indicated to Tanner that members were not close to reaching a decision. After sending the jury off to deliberate, Tanner spoke to the defendant. "Mr. Woodbridge, there is nothing in the law that prevents me from commenting on the evidence," Tanner said. "I haven't done it in front of the Jury, but I could. "And what I have heard in this case outrages me," Tanner said. "There is only one reason, sir, for a machine gun. It's not a collector's item. It's to kill people, and kill them quickly, and kill more than one at a time." As you know Al Woodbridge was found guilty under federal law of 12 counts of machine gun possession. The majority of the counts for which he was convicted were for Thompson and Sten parts kits that some of you may currently own. The Thompson kits contained not only all the necessary parts to build a machine gun but also cut up pieces of different Thompson receivers. The receiver parts were not matching i.e. they were pieces of receivers from different guns. If the pieces of the receiver were held together the ensuing gap between them would be anywhere from an eighth to a quarter of an inch since they were not cut from the same firearm. In Woodbridge's trail the BATF weapons expert used strapping tape to hold the receiver pieces together. Although there were gaps in the receiver of approximately a quarter of an inch, the guns were shot twice, each time firing a two-shot burst. The second type of "machine gun" the BATF produced as evidence was Sten guns kits and some hollow tubes with cuts in them. To have a functioning Sten gun the barrel retaining ring and the buttstock attaching ring must be welded on to the receiver tube. Both of these rings were not, repeat not, attached to the tubes. Still it was determined that these were also machine guns. I have yet to figure out how this arm could have been fired --- was the shooter supposed to hold the barrel on with his fingers? The BATF agent did not fire any of the Sten gun kits. Therefore from Woodbridge's conviction it might be safe to assume that Sten gun kits and hollow tubes now constitute a machine gun. According to the BATF's published "red book" of regulations, machine gun parts kits are legal to possess, buy or sell under federal law and can be purchased without an FFL by mail order. With this conviction it appears that the definition of what constitutes a machine gun has been expanded to include parts kits. >From these two instances it might be wise if you own or are contemplating purchasing machine gun parts kits to ... JUST FORGET IT. Further, if you own an AR15 or clone you should examine it or have it inspected by a knowledgeable gunsmith for M16 parts. It is common knowledge that over the years the federal government has sold as surplus millions of M16 firing system parts, i.e. bolts, bolt carriers, and hammers. Those parts were purchased by rifle manufacturers and used in AR15 style rifles that were sold on the civilian market. I am also under the impression that in the early days of manufacture, Colt used over-run M16 parts in their rifles too. The ownership of those parts, although previously not illegal could now be determined to change your rifle into a machine gun. They do not even have to be in the firearm and the firearm does not have to fire automatically. The BATF has in the past issued clearly defined definitions as to what constituted a fully automatic firearm and what does not. It is therefore suggested that if you own any machine gun parts kits, or anything that could be remotely construed by the federal government as a machine gun, that you save yourself a lot of trouble an dispose of them. Washington State Law Understand that according to Washington State law the ownership of machine gun parts has been and is now illegal. In reality this statute is seldom enforced unless a person has those specific parts to turn a firearm into a machine gun. One might question then why is the machine gun parts law not normally enforced? The answer is because its language is too broad since many non-fully automatic firearms use parts that are interchangeable with those used in fully automatic firearms. For example a wooden stock or a sling swivel for a M1 Carbine will also fit the M2 Carbine, a select fire weapon. To the layman it is apparent that the spirit of the law is to prohibit ownership of those specific parts from which a complete machine gun can be made but from now on no one can be sure!!! Woodbridge's Future Shortly after his conviction Al resigned his club office and membership, his connection with the State R&P and his position as our lobbyist. Al also withdrew his name as a candidate for the NRA Board of Directors. Woodbridge is facing a maximum sentence of 120 hears in prison --- 10 years for each count. He is in the process of filing an appeal. Woodbridge was not granted bail by Judge Tanner and as far as can be determined will remain in prison until the appeal is heard, but that could be up to three years in the future. As most of you know Lori and Al Woodbridge are not wealthy. The cost of the appeal could run to well over $100,000. There are two ways you can help Al. First, you can patronize Big Al's Guns in Auburn. Lori intends to keep the store running as it is their main source of income. Secondly, the Club will accept donations to the "W.A.C. Legal Defense Fund" earmarked for Al Woodbridge. Dennis asks that you make separate checks out to the "Defense Fund" --- do not include your dues or table rent in one check. Please send your donation made out to the W.A.C. Legal Defense Fund to P.O. 7335, Tacoma, WA 98407 or give it to Betty Budil on the secretary's dais at one of our meetings. A great person who did more to defend our continued firearm ownership in this state than anyone else in recent history and my friend now sits in jail. I'm not asking for $2 any more --- I'm asking for $20s. Main Index BATF Abuses Incidents http://www.hamnet.net/~n4zhg/wood.html

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Inferno: Fw: [nylug-announce] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 24 April 2001: Big Meeting on Privacy (fwd)
by Jim Choate 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:08:05 -0400 From: Any Mouse Reply-To: hell(a)ssz.com To: The Club Inferno <hell(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Inferno: Fw: [nylug-announce] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 24 April 2001: Big Meeting on Privacy (fwd) ----- Original Message ----- To: <nylug-announce(a)nylug.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [nylug-announce] [nylug-talk] Tuesday 24 April 2001: Big Meeting on Privacy (fwd) > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:04:40 -0400 (EDT) > To: nylug-talk(a)electriclichen.com > Cc: Jay Sulzberger <jays(a)panix.com> > Subject: [nylug-talk] Tuesday 24 April 2001: Big Meeting on Privacy > > > <blockquote > edit-level="light"> > > From: galil(a)news.cs.columbia.edu (Zvi Galil) > Newsgroups: cs.bboard,columbia.general.bboard,nyc.seminars > Subject: please mark your calendars > Date: 4 Apr 2001 13:33:27 -0400 > Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science > Reply-To: theory-group-request(a)cs.columbia.edu > > > 2001 Marconi Forum on Internet Privacy > Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science > > Privacy Under Assault: Can Encryption Safeguard the Internet? > > Tuesday, April 24, 2001 > International Marconi Day > 4-6 p.m. > Reception to follow > Davis Auditorium of the Schapiro Center > for Engineering and Physcical Science Research > Columbia University > New York, N.Y. > > Web users want assurances that their communications or e-commerce will > remain private without having to worry that their ideas, or even their > identities, are stolen and every detail of their lives will be laid bare > while others profit from personal data collection. > > Digital threats arise from all quarters, including corporations and > marketing firms, potential employers and credit agencies, health and > government establishments, as well as outright snoopers and > opportunists. Can improved technologies protect privacy on the Internet > or is privacy a casualty of the digital age? > > The Marconi Forum brings together leading figures from technology, > government, journalism, business and law to examine how-- or whether-- > our right to privacy can be secured from digital incursions. > > Participants are : > > Zvi Galil, Moderator > Dean, Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science > expert on encryption > > Whitfield Diffie > Distinguished Engineer, Sun Microsystems > co-inventor, public key cryptography > 2000 Marconi Fellow > > Michael Rabin > Professor of Computer Science > Harvard University > developed code based on "vanishing" key > > John Podesta > White House Chief of Staff > Clinton Administration > Visiting Professor of Law, Georgetown University > Law Center > > Steven Levy > Author, Crypto, Spring 2001 > Senior Editor, Technology, Newsweek > > Shari Steele > Excutive Director > Electronic Privacy Association > advocate for civil liberties in online world > > Eli Noam > Professor, Columbia Business School > Director, Columbia Institute for > for Tele-information > authority on telecommunications strategy > and policy > > Sponsored by the Marconi Foundation, The Fu Foundation > School of Engineering and Applied Science > Columbia University > > in collaboration with > The Center for New Media, Columbia Graduate School > of Journalism > > Columbia Institute for Tele-Information, > Columbia Business School > > </blockquote> > >

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hooks in browsers?
by Ray Dillinger 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

Since Third voice was found floating belly up at the top of the fishtank the other day, I've been looking at their service. I think the idea is fundamentally good; subscribers should be able to see each other's commentary on websites. That's basic speech and reputation working on the internet and a channel that's at least potentially not biased by advertising revenues. However, they had two fundamental problems; 1) As a business, the idea is fundamentally bad, because there is no viable revenue model. Clients aren't going to pay for the service, advertisisers hated their guts, and the people who put up the web sites in the first place were going to fight tooth and nail against having ordinary people express their honest opinions about their companies. 2) The central-server model is another problem, because it created a central point at which the system could be shut down. However, this looks like an excellent application for freenet or something like it. If it's distributed, peer-to-peer, and run by the clients so there's nobody they need to pay, there's also nobody to yell at and no central server to shut down. It's probably do-able to write a little application that runs on the host machine -- and when the browser loads a website, the application consults freenet asking for commentary from other clients about that website. You could do this a couple of ways; you could watch the history file for new URL's to tell you what URL has just been loaded, or the cache for HTML pages to see what HTML has just been loaded. And that could be the cue for your little application. Are there any more direct hooks into browsers? Is there any "what URL is being displayed right now" API call for example? Bear

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