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Re: Meatspace,
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

-- Faustine > Still, if you read the documentation, COINTELPRO was quite a > formidable program. According to the FBI documents, a major objective of the COINTELPRO program was to detect when the Panthers did bad things, and use those bad things to generate adverse publicity for the panthers. But we know the panthers often did bad things without getting any adverse publicity at the time, which would indicate the program was not very formidable at all. An organization like the FBI will always find threats to security, regardless of whether those threats exist, and will always take actions against those threats, regardless of whether the threat is real, or the means legitimate. We should not conclude from this that all alleged threats are unreal, any more than we should conclude them all to be real, nor should we expect the FBI's actions to be competent or effectual. The FBI is doubtless formidable when its resources are marshalled against a lone guy with no money and few friends, but it seems somewhat less effectual against more formidable targets. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG dejpk8/VC1gQ+BWcMYsPjabAau5ab5Ux6d4TvfaK 4XFYqIaMT1SgApEjCSCmpCaMCTvaB7yOldgC7IF8n

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FBI arrests Russian hacker visiting U.S. for alleged DMCA breach
by Declan McCullagh 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

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by David G Bennett 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

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by Declan McCullagh 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

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Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)
by A. Melon 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Bear saith: > >Right. Between all the "offender databases" and "surveillance >for your (cough) protection" and so on, anyone who's got a >record winds up so completely frozen out of normal society that >it becomes impossible for them to get by without continuing as >a part of criminal society. > >It's the twenty-first century. Nobody cares if you go straight >anymore.... Which brings this to mind again. This and the Where to go thread. So where and what are the disenfranchised to go and do? I'm a middle aged IT professional, recently downsized from a very good job. I also have a felony conviction for selling pot back in the 60's -- big deal, eh? Well it is now -- I've been turned down for three jobs because they did a background check. I no longer even bother to apply if they mention background or drug checks -- which rules out one hell of a lot of places these days and it's on the increase. I never had a background check before this for any job. What does that have to do with my ability to write code? I'm seriously considering taking up robbing banks -- what the hell, my health isn't too good, I have no insurance, can't get a job -- and fuck no, I won't work at Hardees. Why should I? What does my record have to do with my productivity -- my work record is excellent. I've also thought a lot about suicide, but figure if I'm going that far, I might as well give bank robbery a try -- I can always blow my brains out if I get caught. I had a lot of time to think about this, and I'm not finding many answers -- and like Bear and others have said, the future looks pretty bleak. Another thing that set me off on this rant was May's comments about "black hoes" etc. I guess I've come to understand quite well what it means to be black. Fuck it -- why not welfare if you can, why not sell drugs or rob? If the other option is working at a fast food place? Fuck that and fuck anybody who thinks you should.

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RE: lawyer physics (was taxing satellites)
by Jim Windle 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:05:44 Phillip H. Zakas wrote: > > >you know one of the things i'd like to do is go into the waste removal >business in orbit. lots of junk up there...would like to launch a satellite >with a long finger attached to it and poke stuff out of orbit. the "nudge". >who'd pay? it would be quite an unfornate event if a satellite were >mistaken as a piece of debris...or if debris suddenly appeared in a launch >window ;) > >phillip > There is lots of junk up there. Schemes to de-orbit satellites at the end of their useful life have been put forward but they always fail on the liability issue. Apparently if a satellite falls out of orbit it is an "act of god" and the owner/insurer is not responsible for damages, but if the satellite is deliberately de-orbitted the owner/insurer is on the hook. No one, partiucularly the insurance companies wants to try it. This despite a high degree of confidence in being able to bring a satellite down in a hopefully empty patch of ocean. Insurance companies are very risk averse. Jim Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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by nabena holding 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

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Re: Most of a nation on probation (GPS convicts)
by Alfred Qeada 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

At 11:30 AM 7/12/01 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >Bear saith: >> >>It's the twenty-first century. Nobody cares if you go straight >>anymore.... > > Which brings this to mind again. This and the Where to go >thread. So where and what are the disenfranchised to go and do? >I'm a middle aged IT professional, recently downsized from a >very good job. I also have a felony conviction for selling pot >back in the 60's -- big deal, eh? Well it is now -- I've been >turned down for three jobs because they did a background check. Please list the companies. What state are you in? In some states the evil weed is more evil than others. If you were squeaky clean since, and your friends were too, you could work for the NSA, so its funny that you should run into that much trouble. Have you looked into having this removed from your record? Sometimes judges will do that. For Jah's sake, tossing a dog into traffic only gets you probation...

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