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Re: Meatspace,
by Faustine 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Jim wrote: >> > I find it much more plausible that commies did bad things, things >> > characteristic of commies, because they were bad people. > > Faustine >> True: but then there's always the gray area of exactly what's done in >> the name of "what bad people deserve" that keeps me uneasy about the >> whole thing. Have you read Gordon Thomas' book about the Mossad, >> "Gideon's Spies"? He was allowed to interview all the top agency >> people, so you can be sure nothing got out the agency didn't want >> out. Even still, it's a fascinating, hard-hitting look at what >> happens when an organization of brilliant, ruthless people come to >> exist in a system with limited accountability: hardcore realpolitik >> at its most elemental. > > We know the spooks do bad things. They have done bad things to people > who post on this list. We also know commies do bad things. > > The argument I object to is that all the bad behavior, the > authoritarianism, the crimes, the repression, that we saw from the new > left during the seventies is somehow the fault of the spooks, and > somehow not the fault of the people who were doing it. Point well taken. But the same could be said of the "crimes and bad behavior" at Waco and Ruby Ridge; it might have been their fault, but they sure as hell didn't deserve what ultimately happened to them any more than the commies did. I'm not out to defend any ideology, only the idea of government agents' accountability to the rule of law. ~Faustine.

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Re: What the Swiss have
by George＠Orwellian.Org 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

Sandman wrote: # # The part I like is that the wording suggests that the writer # is surprises that a population can have a lot of guns and "yet # maintains a remarkably low homicide and armed crime rate." Duh. A different society. It wouldn't work here. ---- If you have a dent on your car, your Swiss neighbors will turn you in to the police. Seriously.

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ADSL... Super Hizli... Super Ucuz... Muthis Internet...
by ADSLTURK 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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ADSL... Super Hizli... Super Ucuz... Muthis Internet...
by ADSLTURK 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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ADSL... Super Hizli... Super Ucuz... Muthis Internet...
by ADSLTURK 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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kuro5hin.org || Jury Nullification: You Have the Power
by Jim Choate 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

http://www.Kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/20/41642/3078 -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: DMCA has pushed me to my limit.
by Tim May 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

At 12:55 AM +0300 7/18/01, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Black Unicorn wrote: > >>When a foreign national can be arrested for a bit of coding which was >>developed (I assume) outside the US and never, by his actions (I assume) >>hit US soil well it really is time for the DMCA to go. > >On a more general level, is US law to be construed as granting personal >jurisdiction over anyone on the US soil, regardless of where the actual >crime was committed? I.e., if I do something wrong according to the Code, >I'd better stay the hell out of US? Yes, just as an American who commits some crime under German law, while in the U.S., had better avoid travelling to Germany...or even to Denmark. (Case a few years ago of the American arrested in Copenhagen and extradited to Germany because he had published in America material deemed a thoughtcrime in Germany.) --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

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kuro5hin.org || Carlo Giuliani: From Lyncher to Martyr
by Jim Choate 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

http://www.Kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/22/91947/1305 -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Register - FBI becomes Copyright '911'
by Jim Choate 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20548.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Nature and Nature's laws lay hid in night: God said, "Let Tesla be", and all was light. B.A. Behrend The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The Movie - Pearl Harbor
by Pearl Harbor 23 Jul '01

23 Jul '01

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