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Re: Secret Warrants
by Anonymous Coredump 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

I don't understand this controversy. Who cares what the law is? Why would you ever let anyone know about the intruder you just blew away inside your house? Just disappear the body in a shallow grave, or cut it up into little pieces and run it thru a chipper in your garage and bag it up, dump into a river for fish food. Why would anyone be stupid enough to call the pigs over something like that? Geez, wake up!

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RE: Ybor City's face recognition cameras claim their first innocent v ictim.
by Aimee Farr 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

> Milliron's photograph was captured in June while he was > on a lunch break in Ybor City. > He didn't know it at the time, but the Police Department > used his photo to demonstrate the system to local news > media. That should violate their policy - if they have one. BIG TIME. Furthermore, use of somebody's picture as background for an article that produces a substantial falsehood about them because of the content of the story = lawsuit, although here I would probably think there was a substantial connection. But the media didn't even take the pic - the police did. I understand the article said he wasn't wanted, but that was still highly suggestive and in bad taste considering the nature of the content. See, e.g. Mertzger v. Dell Pub. Co 207 Misc. 182, 136 N.Y.S.2d 888 (1955)(picture as part of story about gangs falsely portrayed plaintiff as a gang member). Visionics has released a statement in regard to their controversial CCTV facial recognition technology, calling for federal legislation and referencing their "responsible use guidelines." The WIRED story is here: http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,45687,00.html (not by Declan)I asked them for their "guidelines" and was directed to their "privacy principles." http://www.visionics.com/newsroom/biometrics/privacy.html ...."In the months to come, the Company will work closely with federal legislators, privacy interest and industry groups to share its knowledge, experience and privacy protection principles pertaining to all applications of face recognition technology. The Company will continue to promote an improved public understanding of the creation, use and control of facial recognition systems and will support public policy that ensures that deployments of facial recognition are conducted in a way that upholds all privacy rights." [...] "Privacy rights" are based on legal doctrines, and not threats identifying activities that are considered privacy-invasive to the average person. The term "privacy rights" is not conducive to societal impact analysis or future technological advances. The International Biometric Industry Association position is that biometrics is "electronic code" and not personal information: http://www.ibia.org/privacy.htm The IBIA has always advocated protective legislation. For an idea of industry sentiment, the IBIA response to one California bill is here: http://www.ibia.org/newslett010606.htm (bill would have required a warrant.) The push for legislation is pre-emptive in nature. Curious to hear from our privacy advocates as to whether or not they have been contacted by Visionics for this initiative. Visionics has come under fire from within the biometrics industry. ~Aimee

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RE BOMB PLANS
by ~~sinister~~ 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

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by Fred A Morgan 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

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09 Aug '01

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Re: Happy Fun Ball (Court)
by Elyn Wollensky 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

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Re: Re: re: Remailer Phases
by Meyer Wolfsheim 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Joseph Ashwood wrote: > > > 2. Operator probably trustworthy > > > > Impossible, and unnecessary. Don't assume any remops are trustworthy. > > Actually it is absolutely necessary. If all operators are willing to > collude, then your precious anonymity is completely lost. A simple > tracing methodology can establish this. The first remailer operator > tracks the > exact outgoing message to the next collusion, the second tracks to the > third, etc until the message escapes, then the colluding operators track > back through > the list of remailers, linking based on the intermediate value being > sent, > until it reaches operator 1 who knows the sending address. This assumes > a best case of the sender determining the path taken through encryption. > Worst case the first operator can reveal the information to everyone. > Joe Run your own remailer. Chain through it at some point. As long as you trust yourself, there is no threat. Who of the current remops do you trust? Why? -MW-

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Ybor City's face recognition cameras claim their first innocent v ictim.
by Trei, Peter 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

http://www.sptimes.com/News/080801/TampaBay/_They_made_me_feel_li.shtml [In fairness, the false identification was not made by the Face-It system, but by a human. The cited page includes the photo in question - which is a heck of a lot more close up then I expected - pt] 'They made me feel like a criminal' He was just having lunch in Ybor City when a surveillance camera captured his image. Weeks later, the police show up. By AMY HERDY St. Petersburg Times, published August 8, 2001 He was just having lunch in Ybor City when a surveillance camera captured his image. Weeks later, the police show up. TAMPA -- Rob Milliron has never married. He has never had kids, never been to Oklahoma. Yet three Tampa police officers went to Milliron's construction job site Monday and asked him whether he was wanted in Oklahoma for child neglect. It seems that his face wound up on a surveillance camera in Ybor City. News cameras captured that image. A woman in Tulsa saw his picture in U.S. News and World Report and called Tampa police. She said the man in the photo was her ex-husband and was wanted on felony child neglect charges. Turns out they had the wrong man. But the experience has turned Milliron into a vocal critic of the controversial surveillance system. "From that picture, I was identified as a wanted person," said Milliron, 32, whose only previous brush with the law involved a marijuana possession charge when he was 19. The surveillance system uses software called Face-It and is linked to 36 cameras throughout the Centro Ybor entertainment complex and along E Seventh Avenue. Images taken from the cameras are compared with a data base that includes wanted felons and sexual offenders. If the image is a match, officers are dispatched to question the person. But in this case it wasn't the system that flagged Milliron, but simply a woman who saw his picture with a news story. The plainclothes detective, accompanied by two uniformed officers, had a copy of the magazine, folded open to the page with Milliron's photo. After producing identification, answering the detective's questions and enduring curious stares and inquiries from his construction co-workers, a mortified Milliron went home. "He was absolutely horrified," said Cheryl Toole, 32, Milliron's girlfriend of nine years. "He said, "I was surrounded by the police today,' " Toole recalled. "We were worried they'd come to our home in the middle of the night." Equally upsetting, Milliron said, was the fact that beneath his photo in the magazine, a headline read, "You Can't Hide Those Lying Eyes in Tampa." "It made me out to be a criminal," he said. Tampa police Detective Bill Todd, who took the call from the Tulsa woman and interviewed Milliron, said Milliron did not seem upset. "He was laughing about it," said Todd, who spearheaded the software project that captured Milliron's image. Milliron's photograph was captured in June while he was on a lunch break in Ybor City. He didn't know it at the time, but the Police Department used his photo to demonstrate the system to local news media. The software costs $30,000, but is on loan for a year by its owner, Visionics Corp. of New Jersey, while the department decides whether to purchase it. Milliron's photo ran in the St. Petersburg Times June 30. A caption under the photo read, "The man in this image was not identified as wanted." The Times later sold the photo to U.S. News and World Report. The software system has sparked controversy nationwide. Protesters say the "spy cameras" intrude on citizens' privacy. Mayor Dick Greco, however, has said the system is no more intrusive than the cameras found in banks and shopping malls. Milliron, who says he plans to retain an attorney, hopes the software system will be removed. "I don't think it's right," he said. "They made me feel like a criminal." - Times researcher John Martin contributed to this report. Amy Herdy can be reached at (813) 226-3386 or herdy(a)sptimes.com.

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