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USA Today Editorial on Scarfo case, 8/30/01
by Bill Stewart 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

On the domestic spying front, USA Today has an editorial disapproving of the FBI's Scarfo wiretap, and an editorial response by Edward Allen, former FBI deputy assistant director (the FBI can't reply directly because of the judge's gag order.) The FBI front says predictable things about how the FBI needs to use advanced technology to keep up with the high-tech dangerous criminals, and how asking for technical information on sources and methods is going too far. USA Today's editorial is on the right side of the issue, in some parts aggressively so (yay!) though they soft-pedal the legal problems in the FBI's warrants. They do have a moderate level of understanding of the technical issues, and make some nice points on the value of open review of government activities, pointing out that the outside reviews of Carnivore found flaws in it that were hindering the FBI. "The FBI's record on computer-related privacy issues leaves little reason to believe that the agency can make reasonable choices without scrutiny." They also say, after acknowledging that Scarfo is "unsympathetic", "But a decision in favor of the FBI's secrecy stance would have far-reaching consequences - not only putting regular users' Internet privacy at risk, but also setting a precedent that could allow the FBI to act with impunity in future disputes over newly devised surveillance methods."

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Re: Re: kuro5hin.org || How Home-Schooling Harms the Nation
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

measl(a)mfn.org wrote : <zap> my old stuff : >> Another facet is that the well-to-do are attempting to remove their >> funds from the systems so they can use those funds to educate their >> children as they choose. A voucher system would surely benefit me >> financially. This is a reasonable desire but it will have a negative >> effect on the public school systems and a subsequent negative effect on >> the society as a whole. > >So I must educate my children according to the public good, and not the >good of the kids themselves? Fuck you. > Learn to read poopyhead (isn't that now the official CP insult?). Look at the part you snipped : I'm not saying that it (vouchers or other defunding) should be ruled out but you should at least think about the implications a bit. All I said was that actions can have unintended consequences. Make well considered choices. Look at the power industry deregulation in CA. Too much, too quickly and poorly crafted. By all means let's improve the educational opportunities in this country but not with some stooopid knee-jerk approach. Try and do it in one fell swoop based on right-wing war chants and I'll bet you do more harm than good. >> I know the masses are a bit thick but do you >> want them to be even thicker? > >To be frank, sending kids to public schools is practically *requiring* >that they become "thick", merely in order to _survive_. > This statement is neither entirely true nor entirely false but it sure as hell is a knee-jerk reaction to the issue. Sounds like the sort of foolishness that Rush Limbaugh vomits on the airwaves. >> I wish there were more ( and better ) educational choices and that those >> choices were reflected reasonably in the financial systems but every >> proposal I've seen so far sucks moose bladder through a hairy straw. > >While you claim to favor choices, you have just argued that these choices >should not be available. > Uh, nope, that's not what I said. I said I would be in favor of carefully considered proposals. Proposals that are fair to individuals and beneficial to the community. Again, the two goals are neither completely compatible nor mutually exclusive. >Make up your mind. > I have : good ideas, thumbs up, bad ideas, thumbs down. >-- >Yours, >J.A. Terranson >sysadmin(a)mfn.org > Fuck you back, Mike

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Re: News: "U.S. May Help Chinese Evade Net Censorship"
by Tim May 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 01:27 PM, Faustine wrote: > On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote: >> Tim wrote: >>> But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design >>> eventually. >> If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen >> interest in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a reason. > >> Perhaps the NSA wanted to use the product without making illegal >> copies? > >> Your earlier point (that they wished to reverse-engineer the product) >> is >> in fact undermined by this fact that they bought N copies. > > > Unless you believe reverse engineering is only useful for making pirated > copies, there's no reason to assume any sort of contradiction at all. > > As if the NSA would use anything from the private sector they didn't > know > inside out. Consistent with your misconception about big computers being useful for brute-force cryptanalyis, it appears you also believe the myth about the mighty NSA knowing more than the private sector. You _really_ need to get an education on these matters. --Tim May

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Re: stump go boom, and keeping kanooks at bay
by Elyn Wollensky 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

> At 05:22 PM 8/31/01 -0700, Subcommander Bob wrote: > > >How can we stop > > >that Canadian armoured column slicing through Buffalo and heading down > >the > > >Thruway towards NYC? > > > >Wait for a snowstorm. > > Canuk tanks run better in snow. Have you ever been on the NY thruway - especially in the snow? After 8 or 10 hours of backed up traffic they'd turn around ... & they still wouldn't be closer then half-way (at most) elyn > DCF >

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[PGP-USERS] ANNOUNCE: PGP Source Code Now Available For Download
by Will Price 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PGP Security is pleased to announce the first public release of its cryptographic source code in downloadable form. The PGPsdk Source Code 2.1.1 release is now available on the PGP website at: http://www.pgp.com/downloads/pgpsdk-agreement.asp PGP has a long tradition of releasing source code for purposes of Peer Review to ensure the integrity of the software. For the first time under new US Government export regulations, this source code release is being made available electronically for download to both US and International customers. This source code release is exactly the same code used as the cryptographic foundation for all of the PGP Desktop and Server products. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.1 iQA/AwUBO5AZHKy7FkvPc+xMEQJGmQCeLXx16HNNyLm1CR5XN4YSulsS7wsAoO93 lS0MKt16HZ5n9PisAC+VUtf0 =Iuii -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- .................................................................... Unsubscribe: <mailto:pgp-users-listbot@cryptorights.org?body=unsubscribe> Automated Help/Info: <mailto:pgp-users-listbot@cryptorights.org?body=help> List Homepage: <http://cryptorights.org/pgp-users/> List Admin (human): <mailto:pgp-users-admin-human@cryptorights.org> Please do not send administrative commands to the list address! Thanks. --- end forwarded text --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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[PGP-USERS] ANNOUNCE: PGP Source Code Now Available For Download
by Will Price 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PGP Security is pleased to announce the first public release of its cryptographic source code in downloadable form. The PGPsdk Source Code 2.1.1 release is now available on the PGP website at: http://www.pgp.com/downloads/pgpsdk-agreement.asp PGP has a long tradition of releasing source code for purposes of Peer Review to ensure the integrity of the software. For the first time under new US Government export regulations, this source code release is being made available electronically for download to both US and International customers. This source code release is exactly the same code used as the cryptographic foundation for all of the PGP Desktop and Server products. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.1 iQA/AwUBO5AZHKy7FkvPc+xMEQJGmQCeLXx16HNNyLm1CR5XN4YSulsS7wsAoO93 lS0MKt16HZ5n9PisAC+VUtf0 =Iuii -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- .................................................................... Unsubscribe: <mailto:pgp-users-listbot@cryptorights.org?body=unsubscribe> Automated Help/Info: <mailto:pgp-users-listbot@cryptorights.org?body=help> List Homepage: <http://cryptorights.org/pgp-users/> List Admin (human): <mailto:pgp-users-admin-human@cryptorights.org> Please do not send administrative commands to the list address! Thanks. --- end forwarded text --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Miami Herald: Reno looks like she's ready to make a run
by Jim Choate 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

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Re: News: "U.S. May Help Chinese Evade Net Censorship"
by Faustine 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

Greg wrote: >Further, they've been open (since late 1999/early >2000, at least) about wanting to encourage and facilitate law enforcement >and intelligence community use of their system, so that those groups come >to see ZKS/Freedom as a system which has good and bad aspects, instead of >just bad ones .. in hopes that a more nuanced (or conflicted) view of >Freedom's utility would slow down or stop regulatory activity aimed at ZKS. Sure. But to what extent can you collaborate without a)approaching full- blown collusion or b) getting taken for a ride in spite of your best efforts? Either way, it's hard to justify trading in on the old "staunch and true defender of privacy" cachet. That is, unless you overestimate your own product, underestimate the skill of those who would break it, and thereby delude yourself into feeling on top of the world. Hint: nobody at the NSA or in any way concerned with "national security" has the slightest incentive to get you to feel otherwise. Depressing. >Maybe in the long run, it's right to view any objections as being little >more than irrelevant, moralistic hand-waving. But I don't find the "they're >going to compromise it anyway so why not make a buck when we can" line of >reasoning particularly satisfying. >Well, no, it's not especially elegant or poetic, but it's simple >economics, which are at the heart of both successful business and >successful cryptography. If ZKS refused to sell to NSA, what would have >changed, except for their ability to crow "We told NSA to fuck off!" ..? Yep. Empty symbolic gestures are always expensive. You made a lot of interesting and thoughtful points about DGU too, thanks. ~Faustine.

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An efficient Scheme for Proving a Shuffle
by Fisher Mark 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

"An efficient Scheme for Proving a Shuffle", Crypto 2001, Jun Furukawa and Kazue Sako (NEC Corporation), apparently could be used to show that a remailer is processing all messages without revealing the header or contents of any message. (Apparently because I haven't read the paper -- just heard of it on the nymip-res-group list.) =============================================== Mark Leighton Fisher fisherm(a)tce.com Thomson multimedia, Inc. Indianapolis IN "Display some adaptability." -- Doug Shaftoe, _Cryptonomicon_

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Re: News: "U.S. May Help Chinese Evade Net Censorship"
by Faustine 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote: > Tim wrote: >> But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design >> eventually. > If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen > interest in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a reason. >Perhaps the NSA wanted to use the product without making illegal copies? >Your earlier point (that they wished to reverse-engineer the product) is >in fact undermined by this fact that they bought N copies. Unless you believe reverse engineering is only useful for making pirated copies, there's no reason to assume any sort of contradiction at all. As if the NSA would use anything from the private sector they didn't know inside out. ~Faustine.

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