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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, David Honig wrote: > At 12:34 PM 9/2/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >Someone else: > >> The fact that you may be > >> identifiable at the point of entry to an anonymity system is > >> a weakness, not a desired feature, and if it can be avoided, it > >> should be. > >> > > > >Then design such a system. > > > You did a few lines earlier: > > >(Or if one is a remailer oneself.) Or, simply have a remailer client that randomly generates dummy traffic, and be sure to chain through multiple remailers. You don't need to accept incoming remailer traffic from other live people -- this is sufficient to hide when, if ever, you are using the remailer network. You still stick out as a remailer user, though. (A while ago, someone posted a physics question usnig a remailer, and Tim mused that they were probably a troll, since they were using a remailer to pose this question. I found that remark surprising, for precisely this reason. Everyone should use remailers from time to time to ask innocent questions, in case of being asked by The Authorities to provide an example of one's correspondence using such technology.)

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Moral Anonymizing
by Blanc 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

1. "make them work for it" (Duncan) 2. You can't prevent them from getting it 3. sell it to them just the same as any other customer 4. sell it to those who can afford it 5. actively pursue them as customers 6. as cooperative sellers, fill out their mandatory forms, tell them your race and gender, and patiently wait longer than usual to get payment 7. maintain a pro-active business relationship with them as a large-volume provider of product and updates for many of their departments and world-wide locations 8. agree to their limits on production and distribution 9. negotiate on backdoors and modifications 10. Happy Cpunk Fun Court is Not Amused You have to know where you can exert influence over quality, and where you want to draw the line against acquiescensce, in order to maintain consistency with your purported philosophy. The prospect for the future is, that either everyone must be made equally weak, or everyone must be allowed to become equally strong. If progress and virtue is in better tools, then eliminating their availability is not an option (although creating tools cannot be enforced, as it requires an intellect and creativity which it is not yet possible to coerce into existence). But providing advanced and useful tools ("giving them the fire") seems to call for a control of consequences which is beyond the humanly possible: they may just end up burning themselves up with it. Why did we, everybody, get bestowed with brains - such potential for power, yet so little wisdom to use it; a little knowledge is such a dangerous thing. .. Blanc

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Eric Murray wrote: > Another way to kill remailers would be through anti-spam legislation > that forbids "forging" email headers. We're already seeing some of > this. Declan brought this up in a "sky-is-falling" article about remailers and anti-spam legislation. I do not believe this is a valid threat. Mail from "juicy(a)melontraffickers.com" does come from the melontraffickers.com server. It is not forged. (Such legistion would protect against unfortunate instances like the flowers.com case.) This *would* require some remailers, like frog2, to stop allowing "From:" line specification. But that's hardly a big issue. > My guess is that the first or second is most likely. It won't even be > targeted at remailers, just at regular email. > > Killing remailers will be a by-product of regulating the net. Unless the next Tim McVeigh ever uses a remailer in his life. Mark my words: The next major act of domestic terrorism will somehow involve either crypto or remailers, *according to the government investigators' reports.* Insert appropriate fnords where necessary.

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biochemwomdterror in dc
by Declan McCullagh 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

topday: SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE Bioterrorism Full committee hearing on the treat of bioterrorism and the spread of infectious diseases. Witnesses: Sam Nunn, co-chairman/CEO, Nuclear Threat Initiative; James Woolsey, former director, CIA, partner, Shea and Gardner; D.A. Henderson, director, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD; David Heymann, executive director, Communicable Diseases, World Health Organization, Geneva, Switzerland; Fred Ikle, distinguished scholar, Center for Strategic and International Studies; Frank Cilluffo, senior policy analyst, Center for Strategic and International Studies Location: 419 Dirksen Senate Office Building. 10 a.m. Contact: 202-224-3953 http://senate.gov/committee/foreign.html SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR AND PENSIONS COMMITTEE Stem Cell Research Full committee hearing to examine stem cell research issues. Witnesses: Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson; Douglas Melton, Ph.D., Thomas Dudley Cabot Professor in the Natural Sciences, chairman, Department of Molecular and Cellular Biology, Harvard University; Karen Hersey, senior counsel, Intellectual Property, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; James Childress, Ph.D., Edwin Kyle Professor of Religious Ethics, University of Virginia; Kevin FitzGerald, SJ Ph.D., Georgetown University; John Chute, head, Hematopoietic Stem Cell Studies Section, NIDDK/Navy Transplantation and Autoimmunity Branch at NIH/Bethesda Naval Medical Center Location: 106 Dirksen Senate Office Building. 9:30 a.m. Contact: 202-224-5375 http://www.senate.gov/~labor **REVISED**

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Re: Official Anonymizing
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, John Young wrote: > Nobody has yet seen an fbi.gov in the logs, or nsa.mil/gov, > though a few ucia.gov and nro.gov crop up, and the ubiquitous > nscs.mil. fbi.gov = <foo>.usdoj.gov, as far as web logs go.

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New Worms Seek And Destroy Code Red
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- New Worms Seek And Destroy Code Red Amid a debate over the ethics of fighting a virus with a virus, security researchers have separately released two programs that hunt down and patch computers infected with Code Red II. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/169707.html Since ICANN is somewhat of a virus itself, after they clean up Code Red I think a new virus expanding MS client access to alternate DNS roots would be in order. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wmAEARECACAFAjuV2uYZHGtleXNlci1zb3plQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRAg4ui5IoBV n3K0AJ9+agLjR36r4if7rK/HCNaEBA6NMwCfYwQWGbclgTr36orj8WE3L5aBVYs= =3+XH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001, Nomen Nescio wrote: > The fact that a given person is using the remailer network is not a > secret. At least one remailer finds out every time he sends a message. > The point is, the entry from the non-anonymous to the anonymous world > is a vulnerability. Unless you run a remailer yourself. The fact that I use anonymous remailers would be hard to deny, if am a remailer operator. However, if I make my own remailer first in the chain, an attacker sitting at the second remailer will not be able to tell when I am using my remailer myself vs. when it is being used by others vs. dummy cover traffic.

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Nomen Nescio 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 georgemw(a)speakeasy.net wrote: > If the remailer operators decided they wanted to deny "baddies" > use of their services, they would not only have to unanimously > agree as to who the "baddies" are, they would also have to deny > their services in all cases where the client cannot be positovely > identified. Neither of which strikes me as being plausible. We do this (or some of us do.) When a spammer is detected, often his IP address or email address is added to a block list. It doesn't work all that well. We can't block people -- only electronic representations of them.

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by Tom 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

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by Tom 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

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