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Definition: common carrier
by Jim Choate 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

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Remailers as Common Carriers
by Jim Choate 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

Unfortunately this isn't the answer either. Common Carrier status brings with it a whole host of regulatory issues. A far stronger position is to stand on the 1st as a 'speech' and 'press' issue. That one you can win without ending up with a monkey on your back. -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Get your free credit card!
by Jennifer Lyons 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

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Get your free credit card!
by Jennifer Lyons 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

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Re: Moral Crypto
by Jim Choate 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Fisher Mark wrote: > But how do you know they've entered the anonymous system? If you are > already being pursued by your antagonist, *and* you have been personally > identified, then you have trouble you can't solve by any current > software-based security technology. Bingo! The primary(!) distinction of current technology is to increase revelation effort. To find... If they're already on to you then it's too damn late to be hiding. You should either give up or run like hell. -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Naughty Journal Author Denied Plea Change
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

Well, I'm not totally retarded but I still don't always follow JYA that well. I'll keep trying. Did the OH guy have a lawyer? If so, did he follow the advice he was given? While I would not myself send the guy to prison for his writings however goofy or sick I may find them, a person who writes this stuff runs a serious risk of my interpreting even the slightest action on his part as intent and of getting himself gutted in the spot. The thoughts color the interpretation of the actions. Mike

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Re: Official Anonymizing
by Faustine 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

Some poor simple soul behind a remailer wrote: >Here is an example of the principle put into practice, from the >anonymous web proxy service at http://proxy.magusnet.com/proxy.html: : If you are accessing this proxy from a *.mil or *.gov address : it will not work. As a taxpaying United States Citizen[TM], : Business Owner, and Desert Storm Veteran, I do not want my : tax dollars being used by agencies I pay for to gawk(1) : at WWW pages and hide your origination point at my expense. : Now, get back to work! Patronizing claptrap, you wouldn't be blocking a thing. For example, the Google Archives has dozens of listings of a NSA researcher who openly participates in technical conferences, giving his full Ft. Meade address, office phone number--and AOL e-mail address. Before you dismiss this as just something another dumb fed might do, you might find it relevant that he's done a lot of work in IDS, GII security, reliable distributed systems, and deception. Who would ever expect anything interesting from an AOL user? That's precisely the point. That ought to be enough keywords: go dig for it yourself, and if you're really lucky, you'll find PDFs of his papers and start learning a little bit about why you haven't quite got the feds as outsmarted as you think you do. ~Faustine.

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Re: Official Anonymizing
by Greg Broiles 05 Sep '01

05 Sep '01

At 02:37 PM 9/5/2001 -0400, Faustine wrote: > >And, in the spirit of full disclosure, I'll mention that at C2Net we did > >sell our software to the government/intelligence agencies who wanted it - > >they paid the same prices as any other customers, signed the same sales > >contracts (we'd negotiate some on warranty terms for big purchases), and > >otherwise got what everyone else got - not more, not less. > >Your honesty is admirable--and unlike certain other cases, I don't have any >real reason to doubt what you say. But are you sure you have adequate >security and counter-economic espionage measures in place? Have you had >anyone do penetration testing lately? How much do you trust the people you >work with? Everything I've mentioned about C2Net is now several years old - I left the company in the last few months of 1998, and they've since been acquired and swallowed-up by Red Hat (RHAT), and (almost?) everyone who worked there when I was there has also left. If I weren't confident that I'm talking about history, not current events, I wouldn't be saying anything. (.. and there are some parts of the C2Net history which I'll likely never be in a position to disclose, ethically speaking, because of the nature of my relationship (general counsel) with the organization. Caveat emptor.) We did take an active interest in the security of our systems and codebase - I don't think we were perfect, with respect to physical or electronic security, but we were pretty paranoid, perhaps at some cost to the personal lives of the principals involved. But your points about insider risks are well taken - especially given that most security incidents have an inside, not outside, source. I believe that the software we published was free of intentional holes or errors, and was built as carefully as we knew how; that belief is based on my familiarity with the build environment, and my knowledge over several years of the people involved in the development process, and my impressions of their competence and integrity. Still, people's expectations and faith in other people can be misplaced - c.f. Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen (a personal friend of James [Puzzle Palace, Body of Secrets] Bamford, who never suspected), and Brian Regan - I don't know of any method or practice which can prevent hidden betrayal, for love or money or boredom or personal animus. And Ken Thompson's "Reflections on Trusting Trust" <http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/> serves as a reminder of how subtle a betrayal or compromise can be, yet remain active and dangerous. A big part of our counter-economic-coercion resistance was ideological - if people really believe that they're working to protect and defend freedom and privacy, it's hard to tempt them with money, at least not just a little money. On the other hand, it's easier to tempt them with ideological arguments, which are cheaper; or for them to become so entranced with each other's political correctness that they lose sight of basic personal integrity and decency. (We didn't have trouble with that at C2Net, but it's historically been a problem inside ideologically-motivated organizations or groups.) >With a lot of >young tech companies having spent the last few years feeling fat, happy, >and oh-so-much smarter than those fusty old feds, you've got a potentially >massive disaster in the making. Pride goeth before destruction; and a haughty spirit before a fall. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles(a)well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

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