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FAA new rules and the nEW gEStApo (was Nail clippers
by xganon 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hmm lets outlaw gelatin capsules on the grounds that they facilitate turning human finger and toenails very hard and allow the use of same as weapons(it does NOT take very much to tear the caratoid artery open) same for toothpicks and teeth.... rolled up magazines facilitate lethal nerve strikes and dont get me started on pens/pencils, chopsticks and forks :) anon

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Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
by Riad S. Wahby 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Meyer Wolfsheim <wolf(a)priori.net> wrote: > Why don't you go ahead and post it to the list? http://positron.mit.edu/plaintextappend.patch > Also, have you tried submitting it to the Mutt development team? What did > they say? Honestly, I haven't submitted it. I didn't think they'd accept it, even though it only optionally makes mutt non-standards-compliant. I suppose I should submit it... -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002

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Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
by Karsten M. Self 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:41:18PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim (wolf(a)priori.net) wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: <...> > > Actually, plug-in support for a range of mailers is available for > > most mainstream products and platforms, including both MS Outlook > > and Eudora (two most frequently cited apps). > > Incorrect. There is no PGP/MIME support in Outlook, and the Eudora > PGP/MIME handling is less than perfect. My information is different, though I've not used Outlook in some years. I know several people who do, one of whom also uses PGP, RFC 2015 MIME encoded: http://rmarq.pair.com/pgp/mail-clients-pgp.html http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/rfc2015.html ...including MS Outlook Express (plugin) and MS Outlook (plugin), > > - RSA is almost certainly partially to blame for this. The RSA PKI > > "PKI Patent?" Do elaborate on this for us. Public key infrastructure. I was spooning from the top of my head. It's more generally known as the RSA public key encryption patent, released by RSA September 6, 2000: http://www.rsasecurity.com/news/pr/000906-1.html I don't have the patent number handy but could reference it for you if necessary. > > patent only expired in September of 2000. If this patent hadn't > > existed, widespread use and implementation of crypto support in mail > > tools would be fait acompli, and discussion of legislation such as > > the Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 would be largely moot. > > Oh really? > > Gee, I thought it perhaps had something to do with the draconian export > regulations, the ease-of-use problems with crypto, or the fact that most > mail users "don't feel the need" for encryption. There were doubtless other issues. The patent didn't help. <...> > > - Your mailer is broken. > > - This is your problem, not mine. > > - File a bug report with your vendor. > > This will get you killfiled. I"m willing to risk that. Responses have varied, most people appreciate the information (they simply don't know the inssues). Maybe one in ten responds as you suggest. I try to provide compelling content, where possible. > > So, Why Do You Insist On Signing Your Mail Anyway? > > How long have you been using PGP/OpenPGP? You are exhibiting the > typical zeal of a new user, who has only become partially acquainted > with the issues at hand. About two years. You've got arguments against signing? Again, pointers appreciated. > > It's been suggested variously that I sign messages inline, or in > > some instances, that mailing lists drop all MIME-encoded > > attachments. I believe this is the wrong solution for two > > reasons: > > > > - It breaks useful behavior. MIME attachments *can* provide > > useful information, including support of non-ASCII > > charactersets, required for basic communications in much of > > the world[...] > > We're on an English-language mailing list. So you're going to disable all MIME handling in your mailer? > > - It's not the root problem. The root problem is mail clients > > which handle untrusted content in an insecure fashion. This > > is like dousing 75% of the population with gasoline, then > > placing match-confiscating personnel at the doors of all > > public arenas. The problem isn't the matches. It's the > > gasoline. > > That's an absurd analogy. That's an astounding proof. To expand on the the analogy: widespread deployment of mail clients with unsafe content handling (and yes, I'm specifically pointing to MS Outlook, though there are other guilty parties), combined with an operating environment with few or no effective security measures, low user awareness of security details, and lax administrative practices, creates a volatile, low-entropy, high-potential, readily triggered, exploitable resource. Rather like gasoline. The problem isn't the attachments (matches), it's the gasoline (buggy mailers). I think it's rather apt, myself. > > Palliative measures to reduce the apparent risk without > > addressing the actual cause mask the problem without fixing > > it. If sufficient people feel the pain, we'll eventually > > see changes either to client behavior or choice. > > I'm halfway through this babbling diatribe, and I'm still not seeing > *any* compelling arguments for using PGP/MIME for mailing list mail > (which is, if I may remind you, the issue at hand.) Compelling or otherwise, I'll draw your attention to the paragraphs immediately following "Why Do You Insist On Signing Your Mail Anyway". Summarizing: - Assurance of identity. - Assurance of integrity. - Evangelizing PKI. - Seeking broader compliance with associated RFCs in mail clients and handlers. > > - My general suggestion to list maintainers is that policies be set on > > what MIME encoding is or isn't allowed. Content filtering based on > > Actually, I'm on this particular list partially because of the MIME > stripping policy. I'm very happy with it, and I suspect many others > are. If you aren't happy with it, feel free to run your own node. > Choate can give you the details on that. I'm not set up to run same, but I'm interested in finding one that doesn't demime. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <kmself(a)ix.netcom.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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The Trial of Henry Kissinger
by Steve Schear 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

This is an excerpt from "The Trial of Henry Kissinger" by Christopher Hitchens , Chap. 2, "Indochina", pages 25-26. [Pub: Verso/2001 <http:/" EUDORA="AUTOURL"www.versobooks.com>, ISBN 1-85984-631-9] ............................................................................ "On 12 May 1975, Cambodian gunboats detained an American merchant vessel named the Mayaguez. In the immediate aftermath of the Khmer Rouge seizure of power, the situation was a distraught one. The ship had been stopped in international waters claimed by Cambodia and then taken to the Cambodian island of Koh Tang. In spite of reports that the crew had been released, Kissinger pressed for an immediate face-saving and "credibility"-enhancing strike. He persuaded President Gerald Ford, the untried and undistinguished successor to his deposed former boss, to send in the Marines and the Air Force. Out of a Marine force of 110, 18 were killed and 50 wounded. Some 23 Air Force men died in a crash. The United States used a 15,000-pound bomb on the island, the most powerful non-nuclear device that it possessed. Nobody has the figures for Cambodian deaths. The casualties were pointless because the ship's company of the Mayaguez were nowhere on Koh Tang, having been released some hours earlier. A subsequent congressional inquiry found that Kissinger could have known of this by listening to Cambodian Broadcasting* or by paying attention to a third-party government which had been negotiating a deal for the restitution of the crew and the ship. It was not as if any Cambodians doubted, by that month of 1975, the willingness of the US government to employ deadly force. In Washington, DC, there is a famous and hallowed memorial to the American dead of the Vietnam War. Known as the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial, it bears a name that is slightly misleading. I was present for the extremely affecting moment of its dedication in 1982, and noticed that the list of nearly 60,000 names is incised in the wall not by alphabet but by date. The first few names appear in 1954, and the last few in 1975. The more historically minded visitors can sometimes be heard to say that they didn't know the United States was engaged in Vietnam as early or as late as that. Nor were the public supposed to know. The first names are of the covert operatives sent in by Colonel Lansdale without congressional approval to support the French colonialism before Dien Bien Phu. The last names are of those thrown away in the Mayaguez fiasco. It took Henry Kissinger to ensure that a war of atrocity, which he had helped prolong, should end as furtively and ignominiously as it had begun." ............................................................................ [* translations of CB intercepts were available to Kissinger in regular ELINT summary reports from the NSA. --ddt]

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RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
by Trei, Peter 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

> Nomen Nescio[SMTP:nobody@dizum.com] > > > Tim's idea of a closed circuit TV is the best approach, and something > I've > been thinking of for a long time. By far the best way to interact with > anyone > you didn't want around. You'd want to couple it with a computerized voice > interface that made it sound, at least, that they were dealing with a > machine. > "State your full name" > "Face the camera" > "Turn face left" > "Turn face right" > "Hold ID up to camera" > "State business" > Thats cute, but depending on jurisdiction, you may have to inform he/she/it if they are being recorded, or open yourself up for a wiretapping charge. > and at some point a speaker off to the side or behind them could emit the > > distinct sound of a 12ga pump action being being worked, followed by a: > "Leave property now" > Thats just stupid - it gives the JBTs cause to get a no-knock warrant. Peter Trei

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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
by Duncan Frissell 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > Actually, in that case, could they not get the landlord to unlock the > apartment door for them, if "permission to enter" is granted in your > lease? What are the warrant requirements for this? Right to enter is restricted to the landlord or reprsentatives under particular circumstances. Emergency personnel (firemen) can also enter. Peace officers can enter in "hot pursuit" situations. In the case of peace officer questioning, you can just ask them to leave. No need to hide. > Several years ago, I would probably point out that such actions would be > likely to cause you more difficulty if and when you have to interact with > the feds. Knowing what I do now about such things, however, I'd fairly > certain there's little to lose. The main reason not to invite peace officers in is because of the risk they might see something which would give rise to probable cause for a search. The reason for not talking to them is that most people don't know what the legal implications of their words are. That's what lawyers are for. You don't have to talk to them outside your house either or after arrest or any time. DCF ---- "Nuke 'em till they glow then shoot 'em in the dark." -- Courtesy of the National Commission for the Preservation of Right Wing Slogans.

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Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
by Riad S. Wahby 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Meyer Wolfsheim <wolf(a)priori.net> wrote: > > - It's not that Mutt doesn't play well with others (and yes, I'm aware > > No, it's Mutt users who don't play well with others. Be fair. I rewrote much of the PGP functionality in Mutt just so I could send PGP-signed messages to this list without pissing people off. Never mind that I was subsequently convinced that doing so is not useful, just as I'm sure this person soon will be. :-) In any case, if anyone wants my patch for Mutt that will give you the option to keep it from including the "MIME encrustations" (in the words of Tim May), just ask and I'll send it to you. -- Riad Wahby rsw(a)mit.edu MIT VI-2/A 2002

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Call for Presentations: CODECON 2002
by Karsten M. Self 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Forwarded from linux-elitists. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: CODECON 2002 http://www.codecon.org/ Please forward wherever applicable. CodeCon 2002, scheduled for February 15, 16, and 17 in San Francisco, California, is the premier event in 2002 for the P2P, cypherpunk, and network/security application developer community. It is a workshop for developers of real-world applications that support individual liberties. During the first two days, our policy is "bring your own code"; while those not demonstrating software are welcome to attend, the focus is primarily on developer discussion. The final day of the workshop is intended to be more inclusive, consisting of public and press demonstrations, interviews, panels and a public session allowing a larger number of presenters to demonstrate their projects in a more informal setting. All presentations must be accompanied by functional applications, ideally open source. Presenters must be one of the active developers of the code in question. CodeCon strongly encourages presenters from non-commercial and academic backgrounds to attend for the purposes of collaboration and the sharing of knowledge by providing free registration to workshop presenters and highly-discounted registration to full-time students. Public session presenters and approved members of the press will receive free registration for the public session on Sunday. IMPORTANT DATES Submissions open: 1 October 2001 Final submission deadline: 1 January 2002 Final notification of acceptance: 15 January 2002 Conference begins: 15 February 2002 Public session and public demonstrations: 17 February 2002 Post-conference web-based proceedings: 15 March 2002 SUGGESTED TOPICS The focus of CodeCon is on running applications which: * use one or more of: cryptography, steganography, distributed network architectures, peer to peer communications, anonymity or pseudonymity * enhance individual power and liberty * can be discussed freely, either by virtue of being open source or having a published protocol, and preferably free of intellectual property restrictions * are generally useful, either directly to a large number of users, or as an example of technology applicable to a larger audience Examples of excellent presentations include Mixmaster remailers and extensions, OpenNap, Swarmcast, Mojo Nation, Magic Money, and OpenPGP applications. Novelty in technical approaches, security assumptions, and end-user functionality are excellent properties. Presentations about basic technologies, such as a new cipher or hash, non-interesting vulnerabilities in existing applications, or discussions of unimplemented protocols are better suited for other conferences. The guidelines for the CodeCon public session on Sunday are less stringent than the main workshop; presentations which are more tangential to CodeCon's focus may be accepted. FORMAT OF PRESENTATIONS (main workshop) Paper and Q&A - ------------- For those most comfortable with a traditional conference format, we will accept papers up to 25 pages. We encourage HTML or plain ASCII submissions, but can accept PostScript, PDF, or LaTeX. We will distribute papers in advance of the conference, and will provide 30 or 60 minutes for discussion and Q&A, at the presenter's discretion. In exceptional cases, we will accept anonymous papers and conduct either a non-directed discussion or a Q&A session directed by proxy. All papers should be accompanied by source code or an application. When possible, we would prefer that the application be available for interactive use during the workshop, either on a presenter-provided demonstration machine or one of the conference kiosks. Additionally, during the paper presentation, some use of this demo must be made; it may be relatively brief, but a demonstration of the running application is essential. Interactive demo - ---------------- In addition to the traditional conference paper format, we encourage highly interactive presentations. Throughout the event, we will have several kiosks and local servers available for demonstration purposes. We also strongly encourage presenters to bring their own hardware. Application demos can be up to 20 minutes, followed by a period of up to 40 minutes for Q&A, which can include demonstration of additional features of the application not covered in the main presentation. If desired by the presenter, we can distribute URLs of applications several days before the workshop to allow attendees to familiarize themselves with the basics of applications prior to the workshop sessions. Panel - ----- In areas where multiple projects fall roughly in the same domain, the most efficient presentation may be a panel with one or more developers from each team. These developers may then individually demonstrate their applications, followed by discussion among the panel and Q&A with the other attendees as to differences in design goals, implementation, and other aspects of the systems. If we receive multiple submissions from related projects for papers or demos, we may suggest to the presenters that they combine into a panel. Additionally, presenters are free to submit jointly as a pre-selected panel. There is some flexibility in requirements and formats for presentations; please enquire if you would like to use an alternate form. FORMAT OF PRESENTATIONS (public session) On the afternoon of Sunday 17 February, we will set aside a substantial amount of time for 5 minute-or-less project public session presentations. Other events on this day, including panels and main presentations, will be targeted at members of the press and public, so brief presentations on Sunday will reach a wide audience. Presenters from the first two days who wish to make an additional public session presentation may do so. SUBMISSION DETAILS Presentations must be performed by one of the active developers on the project. That's the rule -- no code, no mike. Multiple people may be involved in a presentation. You do get in free if you're part of a presentation even if you don't speak during it, so creativity (within reason) is encouraged. The workshop language is English, for both presentations and papers. Ideally, demonstrations should be usable by attendees with 802.11b connected devices either via a web interface, or locally on Windows, UNIX-like, or MacOS platforms. Cross-platform applications are most desirable. Our venue may be 21+. If you are submitting and are under 21, please advise the program committee; we may consider alternate venues for one or more days of the event. If you have a specific day on which you would prefer to present, please advise us. Main workshop submissions should include in the plain-text body of email to submissions(a)codecon.org the following information: - Name of presenter - Name of others involved in project attending conference - Title of presentation - Brief summary of topic - URL or attachment of example code (must be received by the final submission deadline) - Brief project history - Brief summary of demo, or abstract of paper - Any other details considered relevant Public session submissions should include in the plain-text body of email to submissions(a)codecon.org the following information: - Name of presenter - Title of presentation - Brief summary of topic - URL or attachment with example code - Any other details PROGRAM COMMITTEE Bram Cohen, BitTorrent Dan Egnor, ofb.net Jered Floyd, Permabit Ian Grigg, Systemics Ryan Lackey, HavenCo Don Marti, LinuxJournal Guido Sanchez, New Hack City Bill Stewart, AT&T Brandon Wiley, Freenet Jamie Zawinski, DNA Lounge COSTS Recognizing that many of the developers of the most interesting cypherpunk applications are unable to afford accommodations and other expenses in San Francisco, CodeCon will attempt to locate housing and otherwise assist with issues for presenters on a case-by-case basis. Please contact codecon-admin(a)codecon.org if your submission is accepted but you require assistance to attend. SPONSORSHIP If your organization is interested in sponsoring CodeCon, we would love to hear from you. In particular, we are looking for sponsors for social meals and parties on any of the three days of the conference, as well as sponsors of the conference as a whole, prizes or awards for quality presentations, and assistance with transportation or accommodation for presenters with limited resources. If you might be interested in sponsoring any of these aspects, please contact the conference organizers at codecon-admin(a)codecon.org. QUESTIONS If you have questions about CodeCon, or would like to contact the organizers, please mail codecon-admin(a)codecon.org. Please note this address is only for questions and administrative requests, and not for workshop presentation submissions. - -- Karsten M. Self <kmself(a)ix.netcom.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7sjepOEeIn1XyubARAlFXAJ99qGhZtEPduRg6LydEZ4TronngMwCcCoWw dD+GvivUAnrLPbe7zdxIGao= =lyg2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Get Real
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote : > >I've refused to answer questions about neighbors when they were being >checked out by the FBI. I told the agents, this was in the mid-80s, that >I had no interest in speculating to them about a person I knew only in >passing. > I just avoided any sort of speculation. The degree of isolation in our high turnover little suburban (BLECCCH!RETCCHH!!OMIGAWDHOWDIDIGETHERE?!?!?!) neighborhoods is amazing. If you stick to the facts there's usually little to say and it takes little time to say it. All in all I'd guess it's normally a low quality information source and excruciatingly boring duty. >I expect a lot of background checks get idle speculation from bluehairs >and busybodies. > I'd bet that they know how to filter out the worst of the non-information. >--Tim May > Mike

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PRIMARY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT PETITION FORM (25).html
by Bernard Palmer 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

PRIMARY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT PETITION FORM primaryfundamentalright.org PRESS RELEASE MONDAY, 10TH SEPTEMBER, 2001 Sydney, Australia. THE DRUG WARS: THE NEW WORLD WAR. THE US GOVERNMENT VS THE FREE WORLD. THE 13th AMENDMENT: THE KEY TO COMMONSENSE. A Sydney man claims that the 13th Amendment of the American Constitution could overturn all drug-related and victimless crime convictions in the USA and bring to a halt the destructive American financed 'World War on Drugs'. Bernard W. Palmer, a 57-year-old photocopier repairman and father of five girls, reveals the reasons on his 'petition against the drug wars' web site located at: http://www.primaryfundamentalright.org/ "The 13th Amendment forbids slavery, or the owning of someone else's body. So, if it's your body, it's your business what you do to it. Therefore, anyone prosecuted for a drug offence, illicit consensual sex, not wearing a seat belt or many of the other victimless crimes, have been prosecuted illegally." He continued, "the 13th Amendment proclaims that; 'Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." He believes we are all born with certain rights and the first one must be that we are all born free. Therefore, only we can decide what can be put into or removed from our bodies (or our real parents if still a child), and that no laws should exist that hinder this right. "The 9th Amendment allows for the existence of such a right as the 'Primary Fundamental Right'," he said. IX - Rule of construction of Constitution. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. "Because people have signed this petition and they retain the ideal of a 'Primary Fundamental Right', it's existence has now become obvious. The PFR lives in all of us, it is the first of the 'self-evident truths'. James Madison, the main architect of the American Constitution and the first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights appears to have failed to see that the biggest attack on individual freedoms would come from restrictive laws on what you can do to your own body. But, had he put forward an amendment stating that "we are all born free and own our own bodies" it would have undoubtedly failed because many States wanted slavery. Because of that he possibly deliberately overlooked a PFR type amendment. He did go on to compose the 9th Amendment apparently so that something like the PFR could be introduced in freer times. It also appears he guessed correctly how freedom would again meet its opposition. He said that the greatest threat to freedom would be from the "majority against the minority". "The majority of people become accustomed to poor circumstances, no matter how bad they are, and any major changes even for the better often scares them." Palmer speculated, "and the time has probably passed when American politicians could have changed into statesmen and stopped America turning back into a police like state as it was in 1775." He continued, "once more the prospect arises that those who want real freedom will have to fight for it, not only for themselves but for everyone else, whether the people want it or not. Thomas Jefferson, the architect of the Declaration of Independence, wrote of these men and despotic rule, " it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." Under the 13th Amendment convicts have virtually no rights and can be treated as slaves by their jailers. Fortunately, the United States, as part of the General Assembly of the United Nations, has adopted and proclaimed the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights', which bans all forms of slavery, worldwide. "Both declarations shouldn't exist at the same time. I believe precedent has it that usually an international treaty or obligation would invalidate a conflicting national law." It is because of the 13th Amendment that convicts are used as cheap labor in many jails across America. This could also be one of the reasons for the harsh anti-drug laws. Jail shares have been an excellent investment because for a long time they have been guaranteed a good supply of convicts even though crime rates have been dropping for the last 8 years. The politicians made sure they kept the prisoners coming by using 'cruel and unusual punishments' such as mandatory sentences and 3 strikes. Even these laws are illegal according to the 8th Amendment; VIII - Excessive bail, cruel punishment. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. He speculates that if the prison population drops too far the politicians will be forced to introduce even harsher prison terms simply because there are too many rural votes and political donations at stake. He added, "I would guess, just like the Holocaust victims, someday reparations will have to be paid to these modern day slaves. When that time comes the politicians who voted 'yes' and the jail and factory owners should also be made to pay up from their own pockets. They're the one's who gained the most by ignoring basic human rights and prospering from the misery of others." He concluded, "the truth is slavery never left America, it's been hiding behind the 13th Amendment all this time. America is still the home of the slave." His web site is primarily designed for descendants of the English gene pool. "I've specifically aimed at America, Australia, Britain, Canada and New Zealand," he said. "I believe these nations have done more to limit personal freedoms than many others, even though they all think they're the most free. For example, America, land of the free, has more people in prison per head of population than anywhere else in the world. Australia probably has more private prisons per head of population and they too have also brought in 'mandatory sentences' and 'truth in sentencing' laws to keep the prisoners in jail longer. In both countries these policies have kept the jails so full that more and more prisons have had to be built. Already over 2 million Americans are in jail and as many as 1.5 million of them, or almost three quarters, are incarcerated for drug related crimes, crimes that would not exist in a really free society. Too many crimes equals too many laws, not too many criminals." He himself is not interested in drugs; "I don't even drink caffeinated drinks or eat chocolate". When asked why he built the petition he said, "I am horrified by the jails. The jails themselves are the real crime. They destroy lives and families, much more than any drugs could ever do. Ultimately, society will have to have safer drugs. Alcohol and nicotine kill and maim too many people. They are just not cost effective, they need competition. Governments must look at getting their taxes from a larger range of recreational drugs and also from cost cutting by doing away with drug and other PFR prosecutions and imprisonment's. Forfeiture laws, which turn police into self-funding tax collectors and thieves, sully any good public image they may have. These laws must be removed. The savings made by these reforms could be so huge that governments could routinely return much of the personal income tax they collect from their taxpayers. Jailing the drug users and dealers and other PFR's really has to stop, we can't afford it, financially, ethically and simply because it breaks up families. Families are the foundation of any society, break them up and you break up everything." He continued "they say that truth is always the first casualty of war and the 'Drug Wars' are a good example because all drugs are safe when used in moderation and with proper quality controls. There are no dangerous drugs, just dangerous practices." Primary Fundamental Right. My body. My business. Web site: http://www.primaryfundamentalright.org/ E-mail: bwp(a)primaryfundamentalright.org Home Petition form Press release Guest book PFR search E-mail Disclaimer Letter to signatories Site Designed and maintained by Austsurf Designs

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