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Re: Who wants to be a millionaire
by Nomen Nescio 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

David Honig wrote: > At 06:10 PM 10/4/01 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > It would be necessary to reduce the criteria used by the purchaser into > > algorithmic form. Write a program which would take the data and produce > > a yes/no answer. > > I don't think this is possible --the inputs (e.g., scan > newsfeeds for "bin Laden" and "funeral"; or require > a weekly warm-biometric check from the dude) could always be spoofed. Assuming that a human trusted third party could check the data if he had access to it, a program could do so as well. Perhaps the assumption is that the TTP has some secret information that will allow him to check the seller's data for validity. For example, if the seller is providing floor plans of a building, the TTP may have some partial information about the floor plans which he can compare for consistency. If the seller doesn't know what information the TTP has, it is hard for him to spoof. This can be simulated by using a secure multi-party computation in place of the TTP. The seller inputs his data, the buyer inputs his secret partial information, and they jointly run a calculation to see if the seller's data is internally consistent and matches the partial information of the buyer. The only output is a single boolean yes/no. Steve Furlong writes: > But BLD would still be able to cheat the seller, wouldn't they? The > account number might be valid but unfunded, or any variation on that. > I'm looking for a way for each party to be sure he gets what he wants, > with no trusted third party and no recourse to government. Providing guaranteed payment can be done but will ultimately require trusting the bank, as any payment system does. The buyer and seller could jointly create a sequestered account, funded by the buyer, such that each party privately gives the bank a password for access and both passwords must be supplied for withdrawal. Then the buyer can give the password to the seller as his payment. The account can be such that if it is not accessed within a specified time, the contents revert to the buyer's account. The buyer can't cheat and access the account without the password belonging to the seller. The buyer can reveal a hash of his password in advance and the seller can get the bank to verify that it is correct. As the buyer's password is revealed a bit at a time during the exchange of secrets, he uses a ZK proof to show that it corresponds to the committed hash, as is standard in exchange of secrets protocols. They are trusting the bank, but it is not involved in verifying the conditions for successful completion of the transaction. Its sole responsibility is managing transfers of money in a reliable and trustworthy way, and that degree of mutual trust will always be necessary for any electronic payment system.

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05 Oct '01

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Re: Opening shots in the war on Steganography
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

The opening shots were fired some time ago when funding was assigned to detection research. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~farid/publications/tr01.html - look at the first page alphbet soup. http://www.rl.af.mil/div/IFO/IFOI/IFOIPA/press_history/pr-99/pr-99-86.html http://www.info-sec.com/crypto/01/crypto_022001a_j.shtml http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,41861,00.html

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Crypto FUD from ABCnews
by Buzz LightYear 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

ABCnews.com has a story and a streaming video segment concerning Osam Bin Laden's use of Steganography. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/PRIMETIME_011004_stegano… (Link to video on page). My problem is in the video segment. The segment "demonstrates" the use of steganography buy showing 3 examples: 1. The floor plan of an aircraft hidden in an image of the Mona Lisa; 2. A satelite photo hidden in a Web Site image; 3. A Flight Schedule hidden in an MP3 file(Whitney Houston's renditon of "God Bless America" no less). The way the video is edited impiles to a casual observer that these are actually images from from Bin Laden. Only a couple times do they mention in passing that it is a "Demonstration". The slickly produced segment's only purpose seems to be to spread FUD about the use of Cryptography and Stegnaography. Shame on them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Fw: Le nouveau n� de l'adult business...
by Sophia＠Jouvet.com 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

Salut , Je pense que ça peut aussi t'intéresser! @+ Sophia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bernard > To: sophia(a)jouvet.com > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:32 PM > Subject: Le nouveau né de l'adult business... > > > Bonjour Sophia, > > Et voici le petit nouveau. > Sorti tout droit du futur. Il présente des innovations qui ne laisserons pas indifférents les webmasters de tous poils. > > Crée par une équipe d'adult webmasters français, Sexe Affiliation est un mélange entre un programme d'affiliation pour sites adultes et fournisseur de contenus via kit de connexion (comme Carpediem que tu connais bien mais en mieux payé !), apparemment leur zone membre est très complète, live en français, plusieurs centaines de milliers d'images et de vidéos, largement bon pour faire un tmc correct. > > Leur politique : Ont prend tous nos sites, dit 'de transformation' (sites qui nous servent à faire à faire télécharger nos kits de connexion), ont les mets tous dans une grosse marmite(sexe affiliation) afin qu'ils puissent être utilisés par tout le monde pour transformer leurs clients, en contrepartie, on est rémunéré sur les heures de connexions générées par ceux ci, un peu comme si ont avais des programmes d'affiliation sur nos sites. En plus ils mesurent la rentabilité de ceux-ci et nous proposent donc de renvoyer nos flux clients vers la ou ça rapporte bien plus. > > Bref en s'inscrivant, on ne s'inscrit pas juste pour promouvoir deux ou trois sites, mais tous ceux inscrit comme sdt sur leur systeme, quel qu'en soit le nombre. de quoi promener nos visiteurs, si tu vois ce que je veut dire. > > Le petit moins de leur truc, c'est que pour l'instant y ont peu de sdt, mais bon ça devrait pas tarder à changer. > > En parlant de ça, le truc à faire serait de cloner tes 3 sites et de les coller dessus comme ça, je t'envoie des flux par leur intermédiaire, et en plus, toi tu prend des sous sur les quelques milliers de sessions que je t'envoie. > > Ah, y ont aussi un système d'affiliation à 5 niveau de profondeur, qui justifie que l'on s'y intéresse de très prés, à mon avis dans très peu de temps ils devraient prendre les sommets. y'a trop moyens ! > > http://www.sex-affiliation.com?id=228 > Bipbip... > > @+chao > Bernard > >

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To Jim Bell et al, from Chas Vest of MIT, re Martyr Airlines
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

To the Alumnae and Alumni of MIT: Our society has been shaken by events that had been beyond our imagining. September 11, 2001 will stand as a generation-defining and world-changing moment in our collective history and our personal lives. For those of you who have been directly touched by this tragedy, I offer my deepest sympathy. Here on campus we have worked hard to ensure that our near-term response is one of thoughtful discussion and reflection. Looking beyond the campus, the Provost and I are in the process of establishing a process to assess how MIT might contribute its expertise to the challenge of protecting human life and the nation's infrastructure. I would like to give you a sense of MITs campus life during this period and how we have responded to the crisis. First, however, I want to acknowledge that the funding appeal that most of you received recently must have seemed like an inappropriate first communication after the attack on our nation. These letters had been put into the mail system before September 11. As of October 2, the Alumni Association has received notice that seven of your alumni friends and classmates have been confirmed as victims of the terrorist attacks. Unfortunately, there are other alumni who are still listed as missing, and our hearts go out to those families waiting for word about their loved ones. If you are from one of the affected areas and wish to let the MIT community know that you are safe, please post a message on the Are You Okay? bulletin board at http://alumweb.mit.edu/are-you-ok/. It is during tragedies like this that we are reminded that our strength lies in our sense of community. Please know that as MIT alumni, you are part of a global network of support. It was heartening this past weekend to see more than 300 alumni return to campus to participate in the Alumni Leadership Conference, coming together to support each other and the Institute at this difficult time. I am most grateful for your commitment to and faith in all that is good about MIT. The events of the past two weeks have tested us all. I believe that the faculty, students, staff, and alumni of MIT have demonstrated a wonderful sense of caring for each other and a resolve to sustain the best values that define this university and our society. Immediately and in the days that followed, faculty, students and staff developed many programs and activities to help people understand and cope with the crisis and its aftermath. These included keeping the chapel open and attended at all hours; deans and counselors reaching out to students across campus; vigils and prayer services; community gatherings and discussion groups; creation of memorial spaces; blood drives and other contributions to relief efforts; educational forums on campus and online; and individual faculty and staff getting together with their students, sometimes to discuss the crisis, sometimes to do something entirely different, like a trip to the art museum. To find out more about what has been happening on campus, please go to http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/www/. Or read some reflections from the MIT community about the events of September 11 at http://web.mit.edu/cms/reconstructions/. The past two weeks have not been without their tensions. Anxiety and anger have followed the shock and we face a time of great uncertainty. In these times especially, members of our community who are Muslim or from Middle Eastern or other backgrounds need our reassurance as a community that this occasion will not undermine our commitment to respect, learn from and support each other. Looking ahead, I am confident that we will sustain our vibrant sense of community throughout the weeks and months ahead. With best wishes, Sincerely yours, Charles M. Vest

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Re: Incentives (Re: Dealing with Islamic terrorists, and with Afghanistan)
by jamesd＠echeque.com 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

-- On 5 Oct 2001, at 7:19, Dr. Evil wrote: > To put it another way, was Stalin a communist? Yes, in the > sense of being a member of the Communist Party, but other > than that, not in the slightest little bit. He didn't > believe in Marxism in even the tiniest degree When someone says that Stalin was not a communist, we know that person condemns Stalin for insufficient mass murder, and being too soft on the kulaks. It is clear that Stalin was a sincere Marxist and a good Marxist theoretician. He wrote some very clear theoretical explanations of Marxism, and he obviously viewed the world through that skewed and distorted lens. He explained the core of his delusions most lucidly, and acted in accord with those delusions. When Chomsky justified terror and slavery in North Vietnam, he used the language and theory of Stalin to justify it. If Stalin was such a crappy theoretician, why is Chomsky using Stalinist theory? The argument that Stalin was not a genuine Marxist was made at the time by those who thought themselves purer Marxists than he, who thought he was too soft on the kulaks, too bothered by foolish bourgeois morality, too reluctant to murder workers and peasants, and that Lenin was not communist enough. Those who condemned Stalin for not being a sufficiently pure Marxist in 1930 were upset because in 1930 he backed off from mass murder and war upon the peasants -- though it eventually became apparent that he only backed off because the Soviet State was insufficiently prepared for that war, and might have lost it had it launched it prematurely.98 Those who condemned Stalin in 1956 never mentioned those elements of his repression that were most hated at the time -- the internal passport system that bound the peasant to the land and the laborer to the bench, a system that became standard in every communist country, including those they applauded. Those who condemn him today for insufficiently pure communism recently defended Stalin's attempt to crush democracy in Greece and wrap the iron curtain around Greece at the start of the cold war. Those who condemned him as not a communist in 1976 cheered the holocaust of the Cambodians and ridiculed and condemned those who dared flee the terror. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG GR+Mta+/kzLH6R/poMFtm75BNlf3IM42WAAtc3ey 4a0t4OXmhyjMU/2S4FumnhYVdaywvVrAA+yBlpvxI

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Elian bin Laden
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

At 03:38 PM 10/4/01 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >Barry McCaffrey, former Drug Czar, making an approved leak on how the US >plans to deal with sub-national groups, their friends, and their >supporters. > >It's not nice to taunt Happy-Fun-Superpower. > >http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/ret.mccaffrey.war.plan/ > >----- > >WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, who was drug czar >during President Clinton's second term, said in an online exchange last >month that those against the United States in its war on terrorism would >"be killed suddenly, in significant numbers and without warning." > >... > >"We are going to disrupt these people through preemptive attack ... we >will deceive them, we will run psyops on them, at selected points and >times they will be killed suddenly, in significant numbers, and without >warning." > >"Tomahawk missiles, 2000 pound laser guided weapons dropped from B2's or >F22's at very high altitude, remote control, booby traps, blackmail and at >places, small groups of soldiers or SEALs will appear in total darkness, High Altitude Low Opening... How many night vision devices in Afghanistan? >blow down the doors and kill them at close range with automatic weapons >and hand grenades" This ain't snatching a little boy from some Cubans in Florida, honey.

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Opening shots in the war on Steganography
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

>Subject: Opening shots in the war on Steganography >Sender: owner-cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com > >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/PRIMETIME_011004_stegano… > > >A Secret Language > >Hijackers May Have Used Secret Internet Messaging Technique > >By Brian Ross > > >Oct. 4 The terrorists responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks may have >communicated over the Internet using a computer version of invisible ink >that allows secret messages to be concealed in image and music files. > >Western intelligence officials say they have learned that instructors at >Osama bin Laden's camps in remote Afghanistan train his followers in the >high-tech secret-messaging technique. > >And French investigators believe that suspects arrested in an alleged >plot to blow up the U.S. Embassy in Paris were to get the go-ahead for >the attack via a message hidden in a picture posted on the Internet, >former French defense official Alexis Debat told ABCNEWS. > >One of the men in custody, described by French officials as a computer >nerd well-versed in the messaging technique, was captured with a >notebook full of secret codes. "This code book is major breakthrough in >the investigation," said Debat. > >Covered Writing > >To transmit a hidden message, the sender uses specialized software to >hide a text message or a graphical file such as a building plan >inside another file, such as an image file or an MP3 music file. > >"Criminal organizations, terrorist organizations around the world use >this," said Chet Hosmer, an Internet security expert who has been >helping the FBI and military intelligence since Sept. 11 track down >hidden communications on the Internet. > >"Images that might be in an e-mail message that I send to you, that has >a picture of my dog or my cat I hide an actual secret message inside >that image that no one else would be able to detect or see," Hosmer >said. Good introduction so far.. > >For example, with a few clicks and the right password, a terrorist could >use a picture of the Mona Lisa, or an MP3 of the U.S. national anthem, >to carry a secret coded message, such as a seating chart for an airliner >or a list of flights out of Boston. But here Joe Sixpack might get confused, because Joe hasn't been to Europe to take an original picture, and doesn't sing. Chet ought to have said baby pictures or live audio recordings. > >The technique is known as "steganography," meaning covered writing. > >"It actually goes back to Roman times when they used to shave the head >of messengers, and tattoo secret messages on their scalp," said Hosmer. >"It really doesn't have very many legitimate purposes. Fuck you Chet. >The purpose is to >actually hide the fact that you are communicating." > >Instructions Via E-mail > >In addition to low-tech equipment like box-cutters, the alleged >hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks also had e-mail accounts at Yahoo! and >Hotmail. > >Suspected ringleader Mohamed Atta was seen repeatedly by witnesses using >his Hotmail account at public libraries in Florida to surf the Internet, >downloading what appeared to be pictures of children and scenes of the >Middle East. > >Special FBI squads are working full-time on the Internet connections of >the 19 alleged hijackers, going through accounts at America Online and >other service providers. > >Investigators are also searching cyberspace for more deadly messages and >warnings that could help them take precautions against future terrorist >attacks.

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