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WSJ Flaunt Clever 'Crumbs' Pun For Cookies
by graham.nash＠hushmail.com 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Proof that our great industry leaders still don't quite get this Internet thing (and secretly probably wish it'll just go away now, thank you very much). >From the WSJ, reprinted by the Financial Times: Following the crumbs US Abstracts; Oct 29, 2001 :- 'Cookies' are small programs fitted to Web :- sites that are designed to look into your :- computer and monitor the way in which you :- use it. [...] However, other cookies can :- send private information back to their home :- sites. http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=011029004735 How can we ever expect suits and corporate warriots to understand the social implications of privacy and encryption if they still can't get their heads around cookies? GNash. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.0 wmAEARECACAFAjvegd4ZHGdyYWhhbS5uYXNoQGh1c2htYWlsLmNvbQAKCRB9lb1paHeb mzo8AKCtcqISS2ogLXOycQcuNLqmt/2pYwCfXCqjDZLNbemkpj5FbuX+Hrdf9nQ= =tK82 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Administrative notice
by FRT Special Situations & Alerts 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

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Re: [Fwd: [biofuel] VW presents new synthetic fuel strategy]
by Jim Windle 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Earlier this year I saw an interesting presentation at the NY Academy of Sciences by the head science guy from Genencor Int'l.( http://www.genencor.com ) He talked about some of the long range research they are doing about enzymes which will allow them to use protiens, starches and cellulose from agricultural sources to make useful polymers. They are a long way from replacing oil as the feedstock but the research they are doing is pretty interesting though not really focused on automotive fuel so much as other "petrochemicals". Jim Windle -- On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:26:11 Bill Stewart wrote: > >At 02:54 PM 10/26/2001 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: >> Biodiesel is being sold in the US as we speak for anywhere from $.99 >>to $2.50 a gallon, depending upon whether it's made from waste or virgin >>vegetable oil. Given the economies of scale working here, once they build >>up a larger presence, those prices will drop. And, if I'm not mistaken, >>much of Europe is already mandating that all diesel be sold with at least >>20% biodiesel. >> You might also look at Brazil which fuels a large portion of it's >>vehicles with ethanol already. >> VW's new fuel will be even cheaper. > >Making biodiesel from virgin oil scales well, since you can use >non-food-grade oils, but there's still a substantial ecological effect >of converting land from non-farming or food-farming to energy-farming. >Waste vegetable oil has a much different scaling ability - >until you get most fast-food french-fry leftovers used for fuel oil, >it scales up really well, but after that it hits the wall. > >Ethanol has similar problems - you need to grow a lot of sugary or starchy >crops, >which not only displace food crops (having similar land needs), >but at least in third-world countries tend to be grown by >slash-and-burn agriculture, which rapidly destroys land, usually rainforest. > >On the other hand, for an area that doesn't have oil, >the tradeoff between wasting farmland for energy crops and >using it for export crops to buy energy from outside could go either way. >Of course, when the "area" has government boundaries defining it, >especially in the third world, there tends to be a huge amount of >social policy and/or corruption distorting the market prices. >But sometimes you can exploit other governments' corrupt social policies, >e.g. grow cocaine or opium and buy oil or food or toys with the profits. > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re: Singing The War Prayer
by Incognito Innominatus 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

Mr. Melon, 40,000 Japanese in internment camps is a different situation entirely compared to the Middle Eastern contingency of terror we have today. Are there 40,000 'interned' at this time? No. Is our technical intelligence better this time? I would say so, given the Evolution of Related Things. Thats why 40,000 arent sitting in holding pens now. That would be Bad. Would you prefer that NONE be held? Dont act as if everyone is innocent, dude. Theres a good reason for those people to be in there, and its not 'just because'. Theres a BIG difference between 1000 and 40,000! I could think of a few thousand people I wouldnt mind seeing in jail... but it cant be done because it wouldnt happen just to appease my Political Incorrectness.... so I have a Feel Good Notion that the right thing is being done here, and not at the whim of any racial stereotype or bias. You probably wouldnt mind if NONE were held, but then again you probably havent been in the trenches long, if at all. But this isnt a place to hold up our accomplishments, achievements and accolades. Right now, I would be more concerned about roving wiretaps and warrantless searches and the like. Oh, yes and theres that internet thing. Hey, f the foreigners... we got a problem with our own privacy here. Are we one step closer as natives to being in the same boat with them and this New Scrutiny? I hope not. Screw the 'Fed' insult, thats lame. I think a 'Fed' would tow a More Accurate party line than was towed, so dont get ugly cuz professional uglies are not allowed, further disqualifying yourself. So, now what... I wouldnt mind a few 'black bag' jobs to make it through to summer (i almost used another term, but thought better, this being PT, cripes). I have nothing to do over the Christmas Holidays, and bandwidth to spare. Oh I am not proficient with anything other than English, TCP/IP or Straight Out Killing Bitches With My Superior Dim Mak Technique. Shit, a regular Triple Threat! (ok, i didnt know whether to laugh or groan either, right there). That doesnt make a guy a fed. It perhaps makes a guy an opportunist. Or hows this: someone who is tired of being shat on. Do you believe the policies of USA put us in this position? I believe EVERYBODYS policies put us here. Not a one way street, buddy. Now we gotta deal with it, cuz its HERE upon us. And kneejerk reactions from the left and right make us just crazy, dont they? YES, I am tired of seeing dead people, THEY are tired of seeing dead people, and since they arent gonna stop, and since they are gonna use the creepy way of killing US civvies.... then F them. F them for making us all pay with our own paranoia. Move forward not backward, dwelling on past policies aint gonna help now. Focus on homeland safety and privacy and Our Boys Over There. Shit, most of us remain untouched by this business... but we are all more paranoid now because of this escalation. And every step USG takes is another step less breathing room for someone somewhere out there. I happen to like my breathing room, and theres only so much to go around. By the way, sign me up for your Nuke Take Out Team. I am completely expendable, I have no family members that depend on me, and I am technically proficient enough to do most electrical work, and highly trained in Martial Arts and personal hygiene, and I love This Country. gatton

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Fwd: Returned mail: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <schear@lvcm.com> via 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net, to <User@mt1.lvcm.net>
by Steve Schear 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

[This afternoon I received a spam with an odd address in the To: field. It had the same prefix (lvcm) as my ISP but had the .net suffix (instead of .com) I decided on a little experiment, sending a test message and received the following results. Does this look at all odd? steve] >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) >From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)mt1.lvcm.net> >To: <schear(a)lvcm.com> >To: postmaster(a)mt1.lvcm.net >Subject: Returned mail: Too many hops 26 (25 max): from <schear(a)lvcm.com> >via 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net, to <User(a)mt1.lvcm.net> >Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > >The original message was received at Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) >from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.80] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent delivery errors ----- ><User(a)mt1.lvcm.net> > >Reporting-MTA: dns; mt1.lvcm.net >Received-From-MTA: DNS; 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net >Arrival-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) > >Final-Recipient: RFC822; User(a)mt1.lvcm.net >Action: failed >Status: 5.4.6 >Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:21:31 -0800 (PST) >Return-Path: <<schear(a)lvcm.com>> >Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net >[24.234.0.80]) > by mt1.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) > with ESMTP id APT41223; 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Speaker Wanted - This Wednesday, Pulver Conference - Presence & Instant Messaging
by Bill Stewart 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

(Brad spaced on the title.... brad(a)templetons.com ) ===== This is Brad Templeton from the EFF. This Wednesday I'm moderating a panel at Jeff Pulver's semi-annual conference on Presence and Instant Messaging. It's a smallish (couple of hundred) conference where you'll see most of the commercial players in instant messaging, with the very notable exception of AOL. However, having attended this conference I have found that most of the people there pay little attention to issues of security and privacy in the IM world. Sometimes for real reasons (most IM is forced by NAT and firewalls to be routed through central servers) but often times simply because they haven't bothered. The panel I am moderating is on these topics of Presence and Instant Messaging, and due to various circumstances, right now I have only 2 other speakers on it, who will speak about the privacy and security work being done by two standards bodies, the PAM formum, and the IETF SIP working group. I have my own talk on the design and political issues, but I can move a lot of that into my plenary talk later in the day where I want to get those issues out. In particular I am interested in technologically interesting projects or research to allow privacy, encryption and anonymity in instant messaging, and also in presence data and location-aware devices. (Part of the conference is also on location aware services, E911 manadated location-aware phones etc.) So I apologize for not asking until today, but if you have done any work in these areas you would like to talk about briefly, I could have a slot for you, and get you free attendance at this normally $2,000 conference. Last time Lenny Foner gave a great talk on his work. The conference info is at http://www.pulver.com/pim/ and my session is This Wedesday, Oct 31, at 9:45am. It is at the Marriott in Santa Clara. Sorry as well for posting without regularly reading cypherpunks, but I need to keep my email load down.

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Entertainingly dangerous spam - Access and use your PC from anywhere
by Bill Stewart 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

I received the following entertaining spam message. Their product "allows you to securely access and use your office computer from any Web browser anytime, anywhere." I wonder who else it allows to access from any web browser, anywhere :-) =========== BEGIN SPAM HERE =============== Return-Path: OWNER-NOLIST-1643_MediaTrec1_GoToMyPC*BILL*-STEWART**POBOX*-COM(a)MLM3.JOBSONLINE.COM Delivered-To: bill.stewart(a)pobox.com Received: from mlm4.jobsonline.com (mlm4.jobsonline.com [216.35.218.199]) by wormwood.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D00B72539 for <BILL.STEWART(a)POBOX.COM>; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlm3 (mlm3.jobsonline.com) by mlm4.jobsonline.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <12.00020FC2(a)mlm4.jobsonline.com>; Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:12:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1643-0d2e2aed(a)mlm3.jobsonline.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:18:01 -0500 From: Go to my PC <memberservices(a)emailoffersondemand.com> Subject: Access and use your PC from anywhere To: BILL.STEWART(a)POBOX.COM >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="06986E0E1E196312E032AFBC" X-UIDL: 976db5a1925596ff0fe346ba08cac846 You are receiving this recurring mailing because you registered to receive special offers from an Email OffersOnDemand marketing partner. If you would prefer not to receive future messages from Email OffersOnDemand, please scroll to the bottom of this message and follow the instructions. Access and Use Your PC From Anywhere *** Please forward this email to anyone who needs to access their computer away from the office. *** Introducing a new technology for Dialpad users that PC Magazine calls "revolutionary" and The New York Times calls "ingenious." GoToMyPC allows you to securely access and use your office computer from any Web browser anytime, anywhere. TELEWORKERS: Work on your office computer from home, easily and securely, with just an Internet connection. TRAVELERS: Access and use your computer and files from hotels, airports, Internet cafes anywhere with Web access. AFTER-HOURS ACCESS: Access and use your office desktop, email and other corporate resources after hours from any location connected to the Internet. DEMONSTRATIONS: Invite your prospective buyers to remotely view your computer screen for on-the-fly demos. Download The Free Trial Now! Member Services - This message is brought to you by Email Offers OnDemand. To find out more about Email Offers OnDemand visit http://www.emailoffersondemand.com or write us at 541 N Fairbanks Court, Suite 2800 Chicago, IL 60611. , If you would prefer not to receive future marketing messages from us, Click here , or visit http://216.33.105.45/wunsub.asp?C=1643 , enter your email address, and click on the unsubscribe button. Only unsubscribe requests submitted to this page can be fulfilled. Email OffersOnDemand cannot fulfill unsubscribe requests submitted elsewhere or to the email boxes of individuals. ======= END SPAM ===========

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Pravda Propaganda On The NRA, GOA and Militias
by Matthew Gaylor 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

<http://english.pravda.ru/usa/2001/10/18/18529.html> Oct, 18 2001 20:11 2001-10-18 BILL WHITE: GUN GROUPS SEE STEADY BLEED INTO MILITIAS; DOMESTIC UNREST STILL GROWING IN UNITED STATES When agents of America's US Marshals surrounded the Indiana Baptist Temple, accusing the church and its parishioners of violating US tax laws by refusing to pay social security taxes on non-clergical employees, they didn't charge in with guns blazing, as they did at Waco. Concern about bad publicity was there, but there was a more serious concern just under the surface - the Southern Indiana Regional Militia, a 250-man "unorganized" citizen's militia unit, had pledged to defend the church - and their threats were taken seriously. "Steps have been taken and we are ready to respond if something does happen," Roger Stalcup, elected commander of the militia, told Indiana's Hoosier Times, "It's my opinion that if you've got people in that church and the U.S. marshals go in, anything can happen" His statements were taken seriously, and his unit, which marches under the slogan "God Bless The Republic -- Death to the New World Order", was listed in a press release by the US Marshals as a major reason they chose to negotiate, rather than raid, the dissident religious group's headquarters. The Southern Indiana Regional Militia had been trained in small-unit tactics by former US military personnel, several of whom hold officer ranks in the citizen's group, and their ability to take on the US government in a fire fight could not only have been difficult for the federal police forces - it could have been disastrous. The Southern Indiana Regional Militia is not an isolated phenomena - it is one of hundreds of similar units which have been growing in size and influence across the country since the announcement by George the First of his plans for a "New World Order" - a New World Order that many Americans believe is planning to destroy the US Constitution and enact dictatorial martial law in the name of the United Nations and the international corporate-socialism. Origins In America's Gun Activist Community There are three issues that motivate America's militia movement - support of gun rights, opposition to taxation, and opposition to the United Nations and the loss of America's sovereignty to global corporate rule - a system the militias see as socialism and anti-globalists label capitalism, and which is really a blend of the worst elements of the two. Among these issues, the most important, the one that seems most immediately threatening, and which has been the prime motivation for the existence of the militia movement, has been the possibility of nation-wide confiscation of firearms by the US Federal government. In America, the people know that the foundation of their liberty is their ability to use firearms to resist government police and military personnel, and it is widely believed that an attempt to confiscate their arms will be the first step in imposing a dictatorship on US citizens. Daily this has seemed more real, and thus there has been a steady bleed of activists out of mainstream groups like the National Rifle Association, and into more confrontational activist groups, like Gun Owners of America and the Tyranny Response Team, and eventually into militias and other armed non-governmental formations. The NRA recently reported in the last election, with voters faced with the threat of anti-gun Al Gore winning the presidency, that its membership surged from under three million to over four million. Some say that number is slowly edging closer to five. In a nation of 280 million people, nearly 1.5% of the population - one person out of sixty six - is a member of the country's largest gun lobby. It is from these membership figures, and from the ability to mobilize large numbers of activists at the local level and bring them out to work polls and fill campaign offices for pro-gun politicians, that the NRA has always derived its power. While there is no doubt of the NRA's monetary power, it's opponents, often funded by billionaires like Andrew J. McKelvey, can usually match or exceed it in that arena. What the NRA has that anti-gun groups don't is the ability to bring out tens of thousands of Americans each election cycle to hand out literature, plant road signs, fold mailings, and engage in the community activism needed to fight anti-gun legislation. But it is in this arena that upstart groups have offered the most competition. Gun Owners of America, headed by Larry Pratt, is a radically pro-gun organization that, in contrast to the NRA, has called for the elimination of all regulations on firearms purchases and ownership, including mandatory background checks, and which has taken a hard line against the United Nations. Pratt is a radical Constitutionalist and Christian who openly mixes his religious beliefs with his politics, and has been accused of sharing the stage with even more extreme leaders - including members of the Aryan Nations and the Ku Klux Klan (though he has not been accused of sharing their views). In 1996, that accusation forced Pratt out as an aid to the Buchanan campaign. In 1998, according to anti-gun researcher Kenneth Stern, Pratt's organization had 100,000 members. Now, similar anti-gun researchers estimate his group has grown to as many as 150,000 - 200,000 in size, and there is no question that the core of his strength is NRA grassroots activists who are leaving the NRA to be involved in more militant forms of activism. Another group that has worked with Pratt's, and which forms an even more confrontational front of its own, is the Tyranny Response Team, a network of pro-gun "minute men", based on the minute men militias of the American Revolution, who go out to anti-gun events and to speeches by anti-gun politicians to confront and challenge the often skewed and distorted presentation of gun politics. The TRT, founded by Jewish gun store owner Bob Glass, has also gone beyond gun activism, holding regular 500-man protests against the Internal Revenue Service and the United Nations conference on small arms. While the TRT declined to give out membership information, it has branches in approximately 33 states, and most branches have 50 to 100 regular active members, meaning the group comprises at least 1500 regular activists nationwide - with an unknown number of less-active "supporting" members. These groups, with their anti-globalist, anti-UN rhetoric and primitive class perspective - what Americans call "populism" - have begun to draw more radical elements of the NRA, such as Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, to adopt similar rhetoric. In a recent issue of America's First Freedom - the NRA's fast-growing political magazine - LaPierre denounced global corporations, the wealthy, and ruling-class billionaires as being behind the plot to take away America's Second Amendment rights. And while groups like Gun Owner's of America and the Tyranny Response Team are not militias per se, and often engage in very mainstream pandering in some of their rhetoric - the headquarters branch of the TRT in particular is ultra-Zionist, with its members sometimes appearing in public with yellow Stars of David reading "gun owner" in an attempt to link the current conflict between gun owners and the US government with the conflict between Jews and the German Third Reich - they serve as a bridge for gun owners who don't want to engage in the compromising, pro-Republican politics of the NRA, but who also reject the more extreme step of joining armed formations that openly challenge the power of the central government - groups like the Southern Indiana Regional Militia. A Case Study In Radical Growth Recently, in Montgomery County, Maryland, a relatively affluent suburb of Washington, DC, the local government attempted to ban gun shows - large, open exhibitions where guns and traded and sold on tables set up at the local fairgrounds. The result was a series of protests that destroyed the local NRA organization, led to the radicalization of its local head, and which left a definite imprint on local politics. Augustus Alzona, an official in the Maryland Republican Party Central Committee, and the head of the County NRA's lobbying division at the time (NRA-ILA), was incensed at the decision of local officials to ban trading in guns. When he heard that a hearing was planned, he began organizing members to show up and protest the government's decision. But Greg Costa, the NRA's official lobbyist in the State of Maryland, was equally incensed at Alzona's decision to hold protests. Costa views the NRA as a "moderate" and "non-confrontational" organization, and decided to make his legislative priority in the state not a pending local ban on gun shows, but stopping a noise ordinance that would have threatened a business investment he had made in a local shooting range. He ordered Alzona not to hold protests, and when Alzona refused, Costa fired him from his position in the NRA: "I told him I didn't want them to protest and he wouldn't listen. I can't have people doing what I tell them not to do," Costa told a Pravda source. The meeting collapsed in a raucous bout as pro-gun protestors threatened to shoot local Councilmembers if they passed the legislation. Local news media focused on the role of the Tyranny Response Team in the protests, though the truth was that most of the anger came from more radical elements not affiliated with the TRT group. For Alzona, it was a decisive moment. He took on a new role in the TRT Maryland group as its Volunteer Media Coordinator. Regarding the NRA, he told Pravda that Costa was a liar, and that his non-involvement in activism was a motivator for this defection: "I've never spoken to [Costa] regarding the gun show bill and any of it's ramifications - never have, so far. I did try to reach him to discuss last February's hearing a week before the hearing, but, never did." And Alzona isn't the only Maryland activist that sees the NRA and its lobby as ineffective, unreachable, and out of touch. John Latham, a gun activist who joined the NRA in the wake of the anti-gun hysteria that followed the Columbine shootings, decided to move over to the TRT as well. He has now declared he is running for the State Legislature as an Independent in Maryland's 16th legislative district, and told Pravda he left the NRA because he grew tired of the people and their perspective on what gun rights activism means: "A man reaches a certain age he decides he wants to have a club," Latham told Pravda, "I don't consider that real activism that's a club, not a lobby." The Real Activists The Southern Poverty Law Center, a rather shady group of lawyers who make profit by suing organizations they label as "hateful", has been reporting that the number of "militia" groups active in the United States has been declining. Unfortunately, their research is badly skewed, as they count as a "militia" group anyone who opens a post office box and declares themselves a one-man "militia". Other figures, such as those circulated by the ADL, a Jewish organization which is opposed to the private ownership of firearms, estimates that while the number of groups may be shrinking, this is due to a consolidation of activists in a smaller number of larger organizations, and that as many as one million Americans may be sympathetic to, and peripherally involved in, militia activity. This has been evidenced as well by the "radicalization" of mainstream groups that share common views with the militias, but until recently have not shared the militia's extreme image and tactics. Southern groups - groups that represent the values of America's White Southern minority - have been particularly radicalized in recent months with the continuation of a campaign by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, a pro-black group with origins in the communist movement of the turn of the last century, to destroy public monuments to the Southern Revolution and to the Southern Nation - known as "Dixie" -- which existed from 1861-1865 during the American Civil War. With a heritage based in revolt against the US federal government, and with an often deeply held belief in the independence of the states and the decentralization of government power, views that motivate Southern political thinking and ideology have definitely exerted their influence over militia thinkers. One militia group based in Southern values that recently drew attention was the Militia of Georgia, an armed formation consisting of what researchers claim is 300 men who operate in at least 20 cells throughout the state, which ordered its members to mobilize in the wake of the September 11 bombings, and to be on guard against attempts by the government to use the bombings to create a New World Order. The local commander, Jimmy Wynn, in a message to his membership wrote: "When we cease to intervene in the affairs of every nation on earth, maybe some of these people will leave us alone. The WTC attack should be a WAKE UP CALL. I need each of you to become involved each of you needs to take preparedness seriously (we could go to war and it could reach our shores) The biggest thing we need is commitment: the commitment [to] prepare ourselves. THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW!!!" The Potential For Separatism America's Southerners aren't the only regional-ethnic groups seeking independence from the cosmopolitan internationalism of the nations' elite. Rural New Englanders have launched a "blood and soil" separatist movement of their own. Carolyn Chute's Second Maine Militia, a group that has mixed right-wing, left-wing, and green politics, as well as regional ethnic identity and national separatism, into a 500+ man armed formation based in Northern New England and Canada's eastern provinces, re-released a manifesto calling for people in New England and Canada to revolt and create a new nation - the New Atlantic Confederacy - independent of either government, should the impending war on terrorism cause the central government to lose the ability to maintain control in America's more remote rural areas. Her movement is explicitly pro-gun and anti-capitalist, and deals regularly with other "right-wing" militia organization active in the area. As Chute put it in a 2000 interview: "Behind all those urban killings are people created by the Great Progressive Society. These people are not revolting against the Great Progressive Society. They are raw imitations of the Great Progressive Society. We are led to believe that the professional middle class are the winners, the working class are the losers. As I see it, class is about values, dependence and ways of communicating. The working class person values place, interdependence, cooperation, the tribe. Rural working class especially values land. Many of us would kill to keep our land, our home, which for thousands of years was not considered a crazy thing to do. Middle-class professionals are into "success" and they are a dependent people, happily dependent on the consumer system for everything. You call it independence. But if you lost your electricity, your service people, your access to stores, you'd see how independent you are! Working-class people have become dependent on these things, too, but working-class values resent this dependency." And Chute's movement is growing. She recently joked that she could probably maintain 1500 men under arms in the State of Maine alone "if she could keep up with the mail", and in a state of emergency, the number of women seeking protection under arms from ready formations would likely swell those ranks. With groups like Chute's growing in every state of the Union, and the central government growing more and more willing to enact the kind of emergency measures that these groups are willing to fight against, the potential for wide-spread confrontation, and wide-spread revolt, particularly in the context of a break-down of government control caused by massive terrorist attacks, is growing. Domestic Unrest and Anthrax As the US has continued to see its media and government institutions attacked by anthrax-infected letters, a debate has raged over who is responsible. The Zionist-dominated US media has used the attacks as an excuse to implicate Iraq, though that effort seems to be motivated more by political gain than the actual facts. Though Iraq was found by UN weapons inspectors, during the 1990s, to have built two missile warheads with liquid anthrax payloads, the weapons were discounted by US experts as "ineffective", and Iraq is not known to have the ability to create the refined powder form of anthrax being used in the recent attacks. In fact, that ability exists in only two organizations in two countries - the US and Russian governments. The US federal government also appears to believe in the domestic terror theory. Recently, the Center for Disease Control re-released a 1999 report authored by Jessica Stern of the Council of Foreign Relations, stating that most anthrax threats in the United States are linked to "far-right militia" organizations. Certainly, some of the recent scares, including the mailing of over 100 bogus threat letters to Planned Parenthood clinics, match the "far-right militia" pattern. But the possibility that the actual anthrax cases are linked to militia groups has been seized on by social democratic political lobbyists in an attempt to turn the US "war on terrorism" against dissident groups back at home. Australian terrorism "specialist" Clive Williams recently told the Times of India with utmost confidence: "I think the first instances of [the anthrax threats], the ones involving media, were more likely to have been caused by extremist militia in the US who have shown an interest in anthrax in the past and tried to acquire it. The subsequent instances were basically copy-cat episodes by mentally unbalanced people." But no US militia group is known to posses the refined, military form of anthrax being used against the US media and government, and most US militia groups are more concerned with defending themselves against anthrax than spreading it in such a way that their families and communities might be affected. That leaves a third possibility - that the recent anthrax attacks have been committed by members of the US political establishment against other members of that establishment - a theory boosted by the revelation that two of the most recent victims - Tom Brokaw and Tom Daschle - are apparently good friends who's families know each other and often vacation together in the Dakotas. In short, it appears more likely at this point that the recent string of anthrax threats in the US is the result of a deterioration of the internal political situation, than of an outside threat to the integrity of the nation. The question of whether it is related to the growing armed dissent against the central government is open however, as it may simply be a manifestation of political factions using instability as an excuse for assassination. Conclusion: America's Militia Movement Is Not To Be Discounted It is clear that the rural people of American - the mostly white population descended from the original European settlers of the nation - have become alienated from the cosmopolitan blend of urban white liberals and their train of ethnically defined special interests that have gained control of America's cities. One only has to look at a map of who voted for George Bush and who voted for Al Gore to see that a clear divide has occurred between the values of the country's elite and their lackeys, and the real working people of the nation. America's white working class, so long reviled by the intellectuals and the clique that control the government, has been organizing itself into regional-ethnically based citizen militias that are prepared to fight to restore the values of their ancestor's revolution two hundred and twenty five years ago. For the first time in a century, more of America's white population lives in rural areas than in it's cities, and that demographic change is only one indicator of the larger, more widely spread divide. Should the American nation fracture, whether due to a massive terrorist attack, the repressive domestic policies of its government, or a combination of both, it is clear that there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of Americans who are already organized in paramilitary armed formation for the goal of seizing power and restoring the Constitutional Republic that they feel progressive liberalism has lost them. Osama bin Laden has said that he feels that terrorist attacks can create enough instability in America that forces that already want to change the course of the government will see it weakened enough that an opportunity to act will emerge. With the growing divorce between an imperial government of usurpation and the nation's original Constitutional principles, bin Laden may not be far off. you may discuss the article in our forum Copyright ©1999 by "Pravda.RU". When reproducing our materials in whole or in part, reference to Pravda.RU should be made. ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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Re: Singing The War Prayer
by Incognito Innominatus 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

choad, Are the palestinians interned here in the US? No. So now hopefully we can move on to relevant subject matter now... after the attempted railroading by someone who got fired from a blow-job. Les keep it real. gatton

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Secret Nuke Takeout Team
by John Young 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Seymour Hersh, "The Risks of Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal," The New Yorker, October 29, 2001: http://cryptome.org/paki-nukes.htm "In recent weeks an ilite Pentagon undercover unit -- trained to slip into foreign countries and find suspected nuclear weapons, and disarm them if necessary -- has explored plans for an operation inside Pakistan. In 1998, Pakistan successfully tested a nuclear device, heralded as the Islamic world's first atomic bomb. According to United States government estimates, Pakistan now has at least twenty-four warheads, which can be delivered by intermediate-range missiles and a fleet of F-16 aircraft. Some of the government's most experienced South Asia experts have doubts about Musharraf's ability to maintain control over the military and its nuclear arsenal in the event of a coup; there are also fears that a dissident group of fundamentalist officers might try to seize a warhead. The Army and the influential Inter-Services Intelligence, or I.S.I., have long-standing religious and personal ties to many of the leaders of the Taliban, dating back to Afghanistan's war against the Soviet Union in the nineteen-eighties, when Pakistan was the main conduit for American support. The crisis may bring into play the ilite unit, operating under Pentagon control with C.I.A. assistance, whose mission it is to destroy nuclear facilities, past and present government officials told me. 'They're good,' one American said. 'If they screw up, they die. They've had good success in proving the negative' -- that is, in determining that suspected facilities were not nuclear-related. The American team is apparently getting help from Israel's most successful special-operations unit, the storied Sayeret Matkal, also known as Unit 262, a deep-penetration unit that has been involved in assassinations, the theft of foreign signals-intelligence materials, and the theft and destruction of foreign nuclear weaponry. Members of the Israeli unit arrived in the United States a few days after September 11th, an informed source said, and as of last week were training with American special-forces units at undisclosed locations."

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