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US psyops uses Napster to steal music for broadcast
by Alfred Qaeda 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

http://www.msnbc.com/news/654592.asp?cp1=1 "He [Sgt in 4th psyops group] has downloaded hundreds more tunes from Internet sites that specialize in Afghan music." ---- No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God. -GW Bush

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Re: Security-by-credential or security-by-inspection
by Incognito Innominatus 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

Marc de Piolenc wrote: > Tim May wrote: > > Nomen Nescio and others should read Chaum's "Credentials without > > identity" papers. A true name is just another credential, not > > necessarily more important than any of several other credentials. People > > should think deeply about this issue. > > I would like to read these papers. Are they available on-line? Chaum has a list of papers at www.chaum.com but most are not online. One that is online describes credential systems along with related technologies: "Security Without Identification: Transaction Systems to Make Big Brother Obsolete", http://www.chaum.com/articles/Security_Wthout_Identification.htm In exchange for providing you with these pointers, you are obligated to return the favor. Your assignment, Marc de Piolenc, is to read and understand this paper and to report back to cypherpunks with ideas about how pseudonymous credentials could be used to improve airport security.

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RE: The Republican Position on USC T 18 Ch 115 Sec 2383ff
by Trei, Peter 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

> From: mmotyka@lsil.com[SMTP:mmotyka@lsil.com] > What a guy! > Abraham Lincoln : > > "Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can > exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their > revolutionary right to dismember or > overthrow it." > > President Abraham Lincoln, "First Inaugural Address" (available at > http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html) > > "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the > right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new > one that suits them > better. This is a most valuable,---a most sacred right---a right, which > we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right > confined to cases in which the > whole people of an existing government, may choose to exercise it." > > (Speech in the United States House of Representatives, Jan. 12, 1848) > > > As far as I am concerned, to the extent that a government restricts > speech against it, it betrays its weakness and strengthens the > oppostion. When was the last time we heard one of our current crop of > political weenies speak so clearly or with such faith in the governed? > Not in my lifetime. > Mike ------------ As I said in an earlier post, there is usually a gulf - a huge one, between what institutions say and what they do Consider these actions of Lincoln in the light the above quotes: >From 'Getting Lincoln Right': http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman50.html [...] Also, should those who debate the greatness of Lincoln ignore the fact that he arrested and exiled a US Congressman from Ohio - Clement Valladingham - who was also running for governor of Ohio at the time, over anti-war remarks made during a campaign speech? Valladingham was arrested in his bedroom in the middle of the night. Should one also overlook Lincoln's destruction of the rule of law in "loyal" Maryland? When Maryland voiced its support for the CSA and appeared itself ready to secede, Lincoln arrested 31 Maryland legislators, the mayor of Baltimore (the nation's 3rd largest city at the time), and a US Congressman from Maryland, as well as numerous editors and publishers. Not only did Lincoln imprison two US Congressmen, he also wrote out an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, Roger Taney, after Taney wrote the opinion in Ex Parte Merryman (1861) rebuking Lincoln's illegitimate suspension of habeas corpus (see Charles Adams, p 46-53). John Marshall, whose opinion in Marbury v. Madison (1803) famously declared that "It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is," also wrote the opinion in Ex Parte Bollman and Swartwout (1807) declaring that suspension of habeas corpus was a power vested only in the Congress. Lincoln simply ignored the law. Additionally, US Army troops refused to release Merryman into the custody of a federal marshal sent by Taney pursuant to the court order that Merryman be freed. Lincoln, then, imprisoned members of the federal legislative branch, and also sought to imprison the chief member of the federal judiciary. What happened to checks and balances? Lincoln, with the backing of the army, simply exercised whatever powers he desired. As noted Lincoln scholar Mark Neely writes in The Last Best Hope of Earth, Lincoln arrested the Marylanders "without much agonizing over their constitutionality" (p 133). [...]

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Re: The Republican Position on USC T 18 Ch 115 Sec 2383ff
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

OK, you got me, so I'm guilty of that political trick of ignoring the broader picture and using only partial facts in support of my own narrow point of view. sosumi ;) The words, taken on their own, are fine words and I stick by the bit about a government's willingness to persecute dissidents being a sign of its inherent weakness and lack of fitness to serve. Mike "Trei, Peter" wrote: > > > From: mmotyka@lsil.com[SMTP:mmotyka@lsil.com] > > What a guy! > > Abraham Lincoln : > > > > "Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can > > exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their > > revolutionary right to dismember or > > overthrow it." > > > > President Abraham Lincoln, "First Inaugural Address" (available at > > http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres31.html) > > > > "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the > > right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new > > one that suits them > > better. This is a most valuable,---a most sacred right---a right, which > > we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right > > confined to cases in which the > > whole people of an existing government, may choose to exercise it." > > > > (Speech in the United States House of Representatives, Jan. 12, 1848) > > > > > > As far as I am concerned, to the extent that a government restricts > > speech against it, it betrays its weakness and strengthens the > > oppostion. When was the last time we heard one of our current crop of > > political weenies speak so clearly or with such faith in the governed? > > Not in my lifetime. > > Mike > ------------ > As I said in an earlier post, there is usually a gulf - a huge one, between > what institutions say and what they do > > Consider these actions of Lincoln in the light the above quotes: > > >From 'Getting Lincoln Right': > http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman50.html > > [...] > Also, should those who debate the greatness of Lincoln > ignore the fact that he arrested and exiled a US Congressman > from Ohio - Clement Valladingham - who was also running for > governor of Ohio at the time, over anti-war remarks made > during a campaign speech? Valladingham was arrested in his > bedroom in the middle of the night. > > Should one also overlook Lincoln's destruction of the rule > of law in "loyal" Maryland? When Maryland voiced its support > for the CSA and appeared itself ready to secede, Lincoln > arrested 31 Maryland legislators, the mayor of Baltimore > (the nation's 3rd largest city at the time), and a US > Congressman from Maryland, as well as numerous editors and > publishers. > > Not only did Lincoln imprison two US Congressmen, he also > wrote out an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the US > Supreme Court, Roger Taney, after Taney wrote the opinion in > Ex Parte Merryman (1861) rebuking Lincoln's illegitimate > suspension of habeas corpus (see Charles Adams, p > 46-53). John Marshall, whose opinion in Marbury v. Madison > (1803) famously declared that "It is emphatically the > province and duty of the judicial department to say what the > law is," also wrote the opinion in Ex Parte Bollman and > Swartwout (1807) declaring that suspension of habeas corpus > was a power vested only in the Congress. Lincoln simply > ignored the law. Additionally, US Army troops refused to > release Merryman into the custody of a federal marshal sent > by Taney pursuant to the court order that Merryman be freed. > > Lincoln, then, imprisoned members of the federal legislative > branch, and also sought to imprison the chief member of the > federal judiciary. What happened to checks and balances? > Lincoln, with the backing of the army, simply exercised > whatever powers he desired. As noted Lincoln scholar Mark > Neely writes in The Last Best Hope of Earth, Lincoln > arrested the Marylanders "without much agonizing over their > constitutionality" (p 133). > [...]

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Fresh by Fantasy Mail
by Fresh by Fantasy Mail 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

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cypherpunk list
by Samuel 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

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09 Nov '01

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by superfl＠ozemail.com.au 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

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obit
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 09 Nov '01

09 Nov '01

Tim, Re: the death of the fourth. Yer list is too short. R.I.P. : I, IV, V, VI, VIII The obit may be premature but they're certainly on their respective deathbeds. Don't expect the docs from the Judicial branch to effect a cure - they've administered some pretty nearly lethal doses in the past. II? Well, it's an obvious target, to keep weapons out of the hands of terrorists don't you know. Never mind the fact that only about 2-3% of incoming containers are inspected at ports of entry... Instead of fixing cabin partitions, updating training scenarios, adding cctv and a sky marshall we get Big Brother and his database ranger proctologist squad. Instead of improved customs and immigration inspections we get Heinrich Himmler and his boys in black inspecting the motherland. Now that the formalities are out of the way I want to see what Himmler actually does in his new found meat suit. As far as colors on maps, any distinction between red and blue is imaginary, the recent voting rolls show the true colors - mostly yellow, with some red, white and black arm bands. ITBAWC OCDLRO WU LEG F CN KI ET DI O N Having trouble keeping my breakfast down, Mike

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