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by jackys24hrparty＠hotmail.com 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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Re: in praise of gold
by Faustine 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Morlock wrote: Faustine wrote: > > Too bad you seemed to have missed the entire point of the passage: if your > > relationships are making you bitter and miserable, there's no sense in > > blaming the other half of the human race for whatever weaknesses of your own > > cause you to keep seeking out the same old archetypically shitty situations. > Still, the difference is immaterial. > Testosterone & stuff on that Y chromosome drive men to seek women and get into > shitty situations. There is nothing voluntary there, most men have 'clingy' > need for women. Bah. If you've always found that the women who are willing to sleep with you are irritating, at odds with your emotional temperament and after your money, why not spare yourself all the headaches and schedule appointments with an escort, maid service and sperm bank? Seriously, doing a cold-eyed cost/benefit analysis might save you some real misery in the long run. That so many people are driven to go through the motions of the very things that bring them the most unhappiness is a real shame. Or else, you could keep always looking for a woman who has a view of things more to your liking. If you're the kind of man who posts here, I can't imagine you'd have much in common with "average people" anyway. So why fall back on citing the flaws of the average woman (which, incidentally, I'm not denying) in this case. > Characterising not-mine relationships as pathologically-dependent and clingy > and others as 'drawn to independent' and noble is nonsense. Who said anything about noble? There are more than enough flavors of psychological pathology to go around--but of the infinite number of problems that can come from dating a woman as strong-willed and unsentimental as you are, being whinily pressured to measure up to an imaginary ideal just isn't one of them. > Evolution is not beyond reproach nor Holy Dogma, and I see no reason why > wouldn't a sensible male* bitch about this parasitic setup. But nobody's forcing you to shell out cash to goldiggers and breeders: find a woman who doesn't buy into either scenario and you're in business. They're certainly out there, just a lot harder to find. > "Fit" and "unfit" for "human companionship" are far to into nacionalsocialist > ideology, I'd rather not go there. It doesn't take a judgment by society at large to realize that some people really are better off alone instead of inflicting their destructive fucked-up personality on others (psychotics, alcoholics, etc). On the other hand, if more people refused to cave in to societal pressures and thought about what they really wanted to do with their lives (instead of blindly falling into the "spouse, family, 9 to 5 job" trap out of conformism and a fear of the unknown) it would be a great thing. ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPAxQQfg5Tuca7bfvEQIzIwCdHhJmVj0N0La5AcXyXH7vVxkDnZEAnRwy o5Ne4IpcdxYyZyXa3ykRjOcY =xq/M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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eCash reported mortally wounded...
by measl＠mfn.org 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Reposted as the first one bounced "no route to host" <boggle>: http://fuckedcompany.com/ >Cashed Rumor has it eCash.net will be closing down any day now... aquisition fell through, around 40 people soon-to-be jobless. When: 12/4/2001 Company: eCash.net Severity: 100 - new hall of fame inductee! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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IP: FBI Reorganization Posted
by mattd 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

The death lists by proffr1(a)nospamfuckmicrosoft.com 5:47am Thu Dec 6 '01 Honeywell helped the phoenix program in 'nam and PROMIS stolen software helped round em up in guatamala and the old south africa.This mob just got 80 million to be the next. http://www.csc.com.au/ here in Australia. But first, a little background information about CSC. We are a full-scope, global IT services company. We pride ourselves on providing real solutions to customers' business problems. These solutions range from management consulting, systems development, systems integration to outsourcing. Our solutions are based on experience, innovation and total capability. Being part of the global CSC offers our customers here access to some of the world's best people, processes, intellectual property and technology. We leverage the very best ideas and approaches from our worldwide industry verticals (such as Financial Services and Healthcare). We access those market-leading services from our global operations (like Outsourcing) to complement the regional and local relationships developed with our customers. The DoD's Computer Investigations Training Program offered its first class, Introduction to Computer Search and Seizure, in September 1998. More...at... http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=9108&group=webcast and www.cryptome.org of corse.

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Re: Reputation of a Reputation
by Faustine 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim wrote: >This is "the reputation of a reputation." >As soon as people tumble to the fact that "Tom Clancy" has sold his >nym/reputation to some hack writer, that is, let them put his name on >their words, then the reputation of "Tom Clancy" falls. >Nothing new here. "Fisher" was a respected (high reputation) name in >stereo equipment. (I don't like the term "reputation," due to issues >I've discussed here, but I'm using it in the commonly understood sense.) >The name Fisher was bought by a Taiwan maker of equipment, and one can >now see "Fisher" on boxes at Costco and Best Buy. >Draw your own conclusions. My own sense is that no one is fooled: those >young enough not to know what "Fisher" once was don't care. Those old >enough to know aren't fooled. I expect the brand name Fisher sold for >very little money, reflecting all of these issues. Great points, but consider the example "Harvard University." People are willing to pay a premium to be associated with it regardless of the academic worth of the individual programs in the eyes of specialists. A lot of students are after the cachet and couldn't care less about the curriculum. But then, I'm sure it's a mistake to assume education for it's own sake has the slightest thing to do with why the majority of people bother going to college at all. Ridiculous how so many employers put such stock in a word on a piece of paper too--pure credentialism. How ironic when you contrast that with the fact that the great Herman Kahn didn't have a PhD. I wonder where he'd end up today. Someone once remarked that the most unimaginitive, laziest Harvard graduate students at the bottom of their class tend to end up at the IMF and UN. Sort of sinkholes of mediocrity. Oh well! ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPAvjEfg5Tuca7bfvEQLJAwCeLOsOt6pEuBELu+p8zN7boPrf9z4AoJeA BVIpjCrxsgAZdMQ9ujYld9NL =1lef -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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(no subject)
by Jim M. Poland 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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eCash reported morbidly wounded
by measl＠mfn.org 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

http://fuckedcompany.com/ >Cashed Rumor has it eCash.net will be closing down any day now... aquisition fell through, around 40 people soon-to-be jobless. When: 12/4/2001 Company: eCash.net Severity: 100 - new hall of fame inductee! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
by David Honig 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

At 11:42 AM 12/3/01 -0500, Sunder wrote: >Ok, then I propose to surround your property from any vantage point on >public land, and setup gigantic speakers from which I would recite very >loud speeches in your direction at 3:00am. Why not do some high-power microwave testing in his direction?

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05 Dec '01

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