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Re: CNN.com on Remailers
by Faustine 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 From: "Meyer Wolfsheim" <wolf(a)priori.net> Marcel wrote: > Smells like entrapment, though. >>I think the Constitution was the biggest curse ever cast on you. Every time >>something bad happens, you use these magic words like "entrapment" or >>"protected by the first ammendment" and so on, instead of shooting the >>criminals. And shooting innocent people too. And anyone who opposes those in power whether they're innocent or not. I think the United States Constitution was the biggest blessing ever cast on mankind. Not a blessing from "on high", but from men who had the courage of their convictions. >The Constitution, by making you look at it like the some sacred >Mr. Fix-It-All, made you all into wimps. Fuck that. You ought to be be grateful: if it weren't for the Constitution, the US would have taken over your little country and the rest of the world with it a long, long time ago. That kind of gross totalitarian imperialism is all anyone has to look forward to in a US without what's left of the Constitution. Something to think about. ~Faustine. *** [The prosperity of the United States] is not the result of accident. It has a philosophic cause. Without the Constitution and the Union, we could not have attained the result; but even these are not the primary cause of our great prosperity. There is something back of these, entwining itself more closely about the human heart. That something, is the principle of "Liberty to all" -- the principle that clears the path for all -- gives hope to all -- and, by consequence, enterprise and industry to all. The expression of that principle, in our Declaration of Independence, was most happy, and fortunate. Without this, as well as with it, we could have declared our independence of Great Britain; but without it, we could not, I think, have secured our free government and consequent prosperity. The assertion of that principle, at that time, was the word "fitly spoken" which has proven an "apple of gold" to us. The Union, and the Constitution, are the picture of silver, subsequently framed around it. The picture was made, not to conceal, or destroy the apple; but to adorn and preserve it. The picture was made for the apple -- not the apple for the picture. So let us act, that neither picture, or apple shall ever be blurred, bruised or broken. That we may so act, we must study, and understand the points of danger. Abraham Lincoln Fragmentary Writing, c. 1858 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPBkI4Pg5Tuca7bfvEQLkWACeISo364I6I2OL1P7W00y0GRyRhiEAoJPh 2HLA1BWsIEnnrKD5GVC3ENIG =0clb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

> have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some punk <> anarchy '>>punk' actually means 'anti-establishment' and 'activist' in viewpoint. >anti-establishment/activist <> anarchy either. Im sorry, I MAY have made a blue here.PUNK in the cypher context clearly means jail house punks getting served like hell. One or two get taken away and they bleat and whinny and turn round and round before whimpering themselves to sleep. At least bin ladens a MAN! Long live BIN LADEN.Millions of dead amerdikkkers.KILL THE PRESIDENT,FUCK CHENYS WIFE! Anarchy means getting into the sweet spot of alpha baboons rainbow asshole.Thats all folks.The great crypto rock and roll swindle.Oh you can peddle your keister over at the cato dontchaknow.Live off your pork belly futures and kid yourself till the cows come home.The circle of eunuchs circle their wagons.Punctual as a lethal injection.Was there never a fucking WILD BUNCH!

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FINDING MONEY FOR COLLEGE!!! 21782
by c15473＠olemail.com 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

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Judges with kiddy porn good, Xerox engineers bad
by Dirk Boxcuttah 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Controversy Grows Over Judge Indicted For Possessing Porn http://www.channel2000.com/news/stories/news-112627220011213-151231.html Orange County Judge Gets Signed Petitions To Run For Re-Election LOS ANGELES -- Controversy is growing over an Orange County judge indicted for possessing child pornography. Despite the indictment, Superior Court Judge Ronald Kline is running for re-election after getting signed petitions from some fellow Orange County judges, according to a CBS2 report. Some of the judges pleaded ignorance, while others said that Kline is innocent until proven guilty. In response to the petitions, attorney Gayle Sandoval has launched a write-in campaign to defeat Kline in the election. Contrast to http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,48946,00.html et seq.

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The Dallas Morning News: Texas/Southwest - FBI: Uncorroborated threat received against Texas schools
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

>>Heads up folks!!!! http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/ap/stories/AP_STATE_0069.html -- Heads up agent gordon! KILLTHE PRESIDENT IN AUSTIN.Death to Amerikkka.(just joshin)

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: CNN.com - India on alert after parliament shootout - December 13, 2001
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Earlier this year a state parliarment was burned to the ground.Unfortunately no one inside.Then before that was the masterful tehelka sting.Thanks for posting this jimbo.We can always learn something new.Dani wath!

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Re: CNN.com+mark on Remailers
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Marcel>>I think the Constitution was the biggest curse ever cast on you. Every time something bad happens, you use these magic words like "entrapment" or "protected by the first ammendment" and so on, instead of shooting the criminals.<< Mason wrote a bit of it yet wouldn't sign and washington never spoke to him again.A black thing? The state has created an escalator of repression that's obvious.Shooting the criminals seems more and more likely...AP style. >>And most people in my country (myself included) have no idea what OUR constitution says - it doesn't matter anyway. Ditto...au >>1-year conscripts.) Hells bells are you from korea? You pay to kill our crims and we'll pay for yours. Strangers on a train.

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Con-Sim Suggested Reading
by Jim Choate 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

http://www.ssz.com/consim/books.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FRA - Naval Affairs December 1996
by Jim Choate 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

http://www.fra.org/navalaffairs/9612/na9612j.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Who Am I Anyway?
by Tim May 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

On Thursday, December 13, 2001, at 06:38 PM, Duncan Frissell wrote: > At 05:10 PM 12/13/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >> Which is beside your point. Your statement was that the government >> didn't >> do ANY identification for ANY of the soldiers in WWII. Patently wrong. >> Quit trying to change the rules in the middle of the game. > > > >> AFTER the war started, not before. When the initial draft was executed >> it >> was for 21-25 year old males only. They were required to register so >> that >> the government knew who was getting drafted. That qualifies as >> 'identification' and is proof contrary to your assertion. > > There's a difference between registering for the Draft or signing > enlistment papers and proving your identity. I contend that proof of > identity was not required for US military service in WWII. I'll > investigate further and see what I can come up with about the > enlistment process. > Seems to me there are more interesting things to spend time on than refuting Choate. Item: There are huge numbers of reported cases (no, I don't have URLs, but I have heard testimonials directly, for example) of guys who lied about their ages to enlist. (Some later rose high in the ranks...). This is hard to do if a birth certificate is "required." I take this as strong evidence that birth certificates were not universally required, probably not even _usually_ required. Item: Many hobos, drifters, and the like enlisted. Not a lot of them were in contact with their birth towns, or even knew where there birth towns were. I doubt many of them ever managed to get a copy of their birth certificates. Item: Assumed names were, and still are to some extent, common in America. I doubt many able-bodied men were turned down for military service just because they'd changed their name one or more times. Of course, in Choate Prime, the reality sometimes parallel to our own, but usually not, men routinely avoided the draft by the simple stratagem of not remembering where their mothers said they were born, thus making getting a birth certificate impossible. "Sorry, I have no idea where I was born. Momma says we moved around a lot. So I can't get a birth certificate. Be seein' ya!" --Tim May "The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." --John Stuart Mill

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