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RE: : Re: How do you sleep?
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Peter Trei sent >>mattd is still a newbie to this list. He will eventually learn that the title of the list: 'cypherpunks' tells nothing about the views of list subscribers, which range widely. In particular, he will learn that participation in the list does not imply acceptance of any particular stance, attitude, or agenda towards crypto, stego, or government or lack thereof. The only thing which can really be said about subscribers in general is that they think crypto is worth discussing. > Your fellow PUNK for ANARCHY,mattd. > You are not my fellow. I am not a punk. Since no one here even agrees what anarchy is, it's incorrect for you to assume that anyone agrees on that, either. Peter Trei << Im a newbie to a list titled cypherpunks,not cyphershills,cypherprats,cyphergoons,cyphersucks,cypherfeds,etc,etc. Punk does imply something whatever you say.To accept lies,propaganda and self delusional CALC,would be fatal for this list.The natural selection of good ideas will sort this all out,let the rivers flow red. You are not my fellow now;So?.Not that I want you for my fellow or asked you,I was talking to declan,there still may be hope for him.I also dont just write for those neutral,balanced,objective,scientific,cleareyed,lucid,rational pragmatists such as your good self.I have to account for the foul,creepy vermin of so called law enforcement and possible data miners from the year 2010.ie.Posterity. If crypto-anarchy is as big as I think its going to be this list will be hirstorically significant.

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by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Peter Trei sent >>mattd is still a newbie to this list. He will eventually learn that the title of the list: 'cypherpunks' tells nothing about the views of list subscribers, which range widely. In particular, he will learn that participation in the list does not imply acceptance of any particular stance, attitude, or agenda towards crypto, stego, or government or lack thereof. The only thing which can really be said about subscribers in general is that they think crypto is worth discussing. > Your fellow PUNK for ANARCHY,mattd. > You are not my fellow. I am not a punk. Since no one here even agrees what anarchy is, it's incorrect for you to assume that anyone agrees on that, either. Peter Trei << Im a newbie to a list titled cypherpunks,not cyphershills,cypherprats,cyphergoons,cyphersucks,cypherfeds,etc,etc. Punk does imply something whatever you say.To accept lies,propaganda and self delusional CALC,would be fatal for this list.The natural selection of good ideas will sort this all out,let the rivers flow red. You are not my fellow now;So?.Not that I want you for my fellow or asked you,I was talking to declan,there still may be hope for him.I also dont just write for those neutral,balanced,objective,scientific,cleareyed,lucid,rational pragmatists such as your good self.I have to account for the foul,creepy vermin of so called law enforcement and possible data miners from the year 2010.ie.Posterity. If crypto-anarchy is as big as I think its going to be this list will be hirstorically significant.

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Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

"Disgruntled cypherpunk of the Year." me,when I find out this is not about an axe attack on tim may Choates not a poster,he's a spamming menace.How longs he been here?

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RE: Poor little child pornographer
by Gil Hamilton 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Nomen Nescio writes: >Declan McCullagh has been producing a one-sided series about a child >pornographer's supposedly unjust indictment, >http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,49132,00.html. Of course >everything the pornographer says is taken as gospel, while the police >are filthy liars. I didn't read every word of the documents on the Wired site, but enough to see that whatever this guy may have been, an actual Mean, Nasty, Scary Father Raper and Child Pornographer he was not. As the Church Lady would say, how *convenient* that the postal inspector has retired rather than stay on to explain his lies, the manufacturing of evidence, and the wanton and careless destruction of exculpatory evidence in this case. ("I'm sorry, Your Honor, I just can't recall...") > In fact they have gone so far as to plant child porn >onto the computer in order to gain a conviction, in McCullagh's twisted >narrative. Missing from this tidy story is the cost-benefit analysis from >the part of the evil policeman. He has supposedly committed a felony >that could lead to decades in prison, just to avoid the difficulty of >handing the computer back with an apology, which happens all the time >in police work. You have to appear to have done some work occasionally, even if you're a postal inspector. And then you can't very well admit that you've just wasted N months and countless tax dollars investigating a poor nerdy video gamer, can you? This isn't really difficult to understand except for the naive, and disingenuous apologists for the police state. (Don't bother... we already know which you are.) By the way, when's the last time anyone heard of law enforcement admitting they made a mistake, humbly apologizing and giving someone their property back? I can't ever recall having heard that. The most one ever hears is (usually several years after the fact) something like "mistakes were made; we are re-evaluating our investigative procedures to avoid any such mistakes in the future". No one is ever held responsible. (Did Richard Jewell get an apology? Did Wen Ho Lee? Or Randy Weaver? How about the Branch Davidians?) Now, I'm not claiming that the cops are *always* lying. Only that anyone who automatically *assumes* that they're telling the truth is a lot scarier to me than this so-called child pornographer. >The real issue for cypherpunks is of course whether there is any connection >between the child pornographer, Larry Benedict, and the local cypherpunk >pedophile who uses the pseudonym Eric Michael Cordian. Is it possible >that Cordian and Benedict are one and the same? And that Benedict would >use his cypherpunk connections as Cordian to get McCullagh to produce this >whitewash? How else did McCullagh get drawn into the seedy world of child >pornography trading rings? > >Enquiring minds want to know! This is only the "real issue" for the small percentage of priggish wannabe cops on the list; those who are afraid that someone somewhere may be having fun doing something they consider immoral (but who'd secretly enjoy the titillation of being let in on it). - GH _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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RE: : Re: How do you sleep?
by Trei, Peter 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

> mattd[SMTP:mattd@useoz.com] wrote >declan wrote: > >>I'll know I'll regret responding to the mattdproffraptroll, > ditto, ditto.... > I hope not,it took long enough to lever you out from under your > bridge.Sorry it took the flamethrower. > > >>but briefly: I am not affiliated in any way with the Cato Institute. I > don't believe I've ever written anything for them; I am not an adjunct > scholar/policy analyst for them; I've been in their building just once in > the last five months or so. Most importantly, they say things with which I > > do not agree.<< > > You plugged that appearance here,thats my beef with you declan.I think you > > should be blasted on this list for aligning in any way shape or form to a > twisted conservative mob that manufacture consent for corporate > polluters.We are cypher-PUNKS,not cypher shills.Its crypto-ANARCHY,not > crypto-libertarianism. > mattd is still a newbie to this list. He will eventually learn that the title of the list: 'cypherpunks' tells nothing about the views of list subscribers, which range widely. In particular, he will learn that participation in the list does not imply acceptance of any particular stance, attitude, or agenda towards crypto, stego, or government or lack thereof. The only thing which can really be said about subscribers in general is that they think crypto is worth discussing. > Your fellow PUNK for ANARCHY,mattd. > You are not my fellow. I am not a punk. Since no one here even agrees what anarchy is, it's incorrect for you to assume that anyone agrees on that, either. Peter Trei ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================

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Grand Theft Crypto.
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Grand Theft Crypto. Grand theft crypto is an F-box game engine from the the underground game crew that bought you president evil,castle wolfensen,plane murder and doctor rat.In stores for Christmas the game is a combination role-playing first peon shooter in a close but separate reality.Some revolutionary software has been stolen by the last empire,a military/industrial combine thats taking over the planet.Targeting dissidents and code rebels stormtroopers of the empire are similar to 1st generation OSD robocops while high up positions in the empire have been favoured by players in field tests, the survival and resistance tactics and strategy of the rebels win over longer term players as they delve into the multi-verse world of 2006.Ricomended.

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Dmitry's Farewell Hack
by Bill Scannell 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Hey kids, Dmitry and his lawyer got his now-infamous Defcon presentation exposing Adobe's pathetic attempts at eBook security read into his pre-trial agreement. The agreement, available from Ashcroft Central in PDF format, can be downloaded at: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/assets/applets/2001_12_13_sklyarov.pdf Somehow, I think that as soon as his plane clears US air space the only words of assistance the US Attorney is going to from him will consist of 'bite' and 'me'. -Bill 777 --- 777 777 --- 777 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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Reichstag 2001: Mil making Daschle-quality anthrax
by Dirk Boxcuttah 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

>From the "Love your country but don't trust its government" files: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34707-2001Dec12.html An Army biological and chemical warfare facility in Utah has been quietly developing a virulent, weapons-grade formulation of anthrax spores since at least 1992, and samples of the bacteria were shipped back and forth between that facility and Fort Detrick, Md., on several occasions in the past several years, according to government officials and shipping records. The Utah spores, grown and processed at the 800,000-acre Dugway Proving Ground about 80 miles from Salt Lake City, belong to the Ames strain -- the same strain used in the deadly letters sent to media outlets and two senators in September and October. No other nation is known to have made weapons-grade Ames. And although it is legal to make small quantities of such agents under the provisions of an international treaty the United States has signed, experts said yesterday they were surprised by the revelation that a U.S. lab was producing such lethal material. "It comes as a bit of a shock," said Jonathan Tucker, a former member of the U.N. team that inspected Iraq's bioweapons stocks after the Persian Gulf War and now director of the Center for Nonproliferation Studies' Chemical and Biological Weapons Nonproliferation Program in Washington. ... The most recent shipment of the deadly spores to Fort Detrick left Dugway Proving Ground June 27. The spores were to be irradiated at the Maryland lab to render them harmless, according to shipping records and interviews with officials. Those spores apparently sat at Fort Detrick for more than two months before being shipped back to Dugway on Sept. 4, less than a month before this fall's spate of bioterrorist attacks began with a Florida photo editor's fatal case of anthrax.

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RE: Reichstag 2001: Mil making Daschle-quality anthrax
by Gil Hamilton 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Dirk Boxcuttah forwards: >An Army biological and chemical warfare facility in Utah has been >quietly developing a virulent, weapons-grade formulation of anthrax >spores since at least 1992, and samples of the bacteria were shipped >back and forth between that facility and Fort Detrick, Md., on several >occasions in the past several years, according to government officials >and shipping records. There is only one use for "weapons-grade" anthrax: infecting a large population with the disease. Any organization making it is clearly a Terrorist Organization and ought to be dealt with accordingly... - GH _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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creeping socialist communism
by mattd 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

[Tom Uren on a trip to japan by the head of the returned soldiers league.] I'm talking about the militarists, the crimes they committed and the atrocities they committed -- should be taught in the education system to the young people. TONY JONES: He said today specifically this was an opportunity to send a direct message to the Japanese that they should be educating their young people about those atrocities committed by their own military during World War II. Is this the right way to do it, though? TOM UREN: Yes, he should be given support and credit. I don't know about going to the controversial war memorial that he went to because, after all, there's a lot of controversy even in Japan itself whether or not they should go to those shrines. That's probably one of the question marks. TONY JONES: Let's focus on that just for a moment. This was a war memorial commemorating the Japanese dead. Is it wrong to honor the fallen enemy? TOM UREN: Yeah, well, I mean the thing is that the enemy -- even though we didn't recognize the cruelty of them -- but it really came from the leadership down. I think that's, I hope, a thing of the past. I mean, the crimes they committed were in fact within Australia. People ask me, you know, to talk about what the Japanese did and I said, "It's indescribable". TONY JONES: Let's take this question of attitudes, though, because one of the things that Major General Phillips is done is, in a sense, he's turned the argument on its head. He said today, "This is a great opportunity to have our veterans think through this issue". Is that what it is? Is it time for vete7ans to rethink their attitudes toward the Japanese? TOM UREN: Well, I think that as far as I'm concerned, there's a difference between the Japanese people and the Japanese militarists. It's the militarists that I don't think are the ones that are still really stopping the history of Japan to be unfolded to their younger people. That's my differences there. TONY JONES: Let me ask you this, though, do you understand your fellow veterans, your comrades who were prisoners of war? Do you understand why many of them will never forgive, will continue to hate, and that they transfer that hatred through generations to all Japanese? TOM UREN: No, they've got that feeling and they find it very hard to forgive. On the other hand, there are many of us that, in fact, have forgiven. I mean, Weary Dunlop was just one example. TONY JONES: How do you come to do that after the things that happened? TOM UREN: Well, I served with Weary for 1.5 years, and if you asked what I thought of the Japanese in the first 2.5 years when I was a prisoner of war with them, I would have exterminated them from the planet. But the last year of the war I spent in Japan, particularly the first nine months at a place called Saganosaki. I worked with old Japanese, with a kindness. We were doing shiftwork and after we'd finish, we'd go into a communal bath and work together. And when we couldn't speak their language and they couldn't speak ours, the old body language came over. I found myself, the only Red Cross parcel I got, I found myself sharing it with some of my workmates who were Japanese because they were starving the same way we were. TONY JONES: We're going to have to leave it there. Thanks very much for sharing that with us. TOM UREN: I just want to say one thing. There's no progress in hate. Really, I believe in progress. TONY JONES: Thanks for joining us tonight. TOM UREN: Thank you. "weary" Dunlop.Sir Edward Weary Dunlop was a surgeon in the Australian Army during World War Two. Former prisoner of War, Bill Griffiths is among the many who owe their lives to Weary. The Japanese planned to kill him. What use is a disabled man, it was argued. Weary stepped in front of the bayonets and refused to move until Bill's life was spared. A habit of keeping track of the war via a hidden wireless also landed Weary in the firing line. "I got handcuffed around a tree, my tummy exposed to four bayonets and a countdown. Things were pretty grim." Weary ended up being tortured instead ... but the experience only made him more defiant. The aussie's egalitarianism arguably led to better survival rates than the class obsessed brits who died like flies. It led Uren ,who later joined the labor party and became a minister ,to say that,"In the camps we were all socialists" Weary who was always on the conservative side of politics (the liberal party in au) actually went further when he said,"In the camps we were all communists!"

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