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Re: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night
by jamesd＠echeque.com 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

-- On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Tim May wrote: > > I think it is a moral necessity to kill anyone trying to > > steal anything (beyond the utterly trivial or confusable, > > e.g., one should not kill someone picking up a toy left > > out in the yard...might be a mistake, he might be trying > > to return it, etc.). Someone stealing a television or PC > > has certainly earned killing. On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 12:39 AM, Petro wrote: > Given the legal hassle that one will face if one > does that, it's just not worth it. Legal hassle depends on where you live. Most places, provided the burglar is inside, no problem. If lives long enough to get outside, drag the body back inside, and rinse away the blood. Police will not be interested in finding the evidence that he made it outside. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG E1QLOofqyQDU745GEYXnEjkJRYfQmWRNTRsaZ+r1 42qQfWDaRcdE/86FWYa9Ztcw4ZudSrK/aTOeSGAu/

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Re: more on procmail is not mattd's friend!
by mattd 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

>>Cover traffic. -- "Those without creative minds and agile fingers are of course welcome to hurry up with my fries. And they'll probably use a GUI to take my order, too." - Tom Christiansen<< That the remailers can be hassled about and allows mass revenge spamming here,Does petro have a creative mind? He seems to be customer for the CATO burger chain. When the Earth is sick, the animals will begin to disappear, when that happens, The Warriors of the Rainbow will come to save them. ~Chief Seattle ~

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Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!!
by Jei 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:07:48 EST From: William Shannon <Wes676767(a)AOL.COM> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> To: CTRL(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CTRL] Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!! <A HREF="http://www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm">http://www.rense.com/general19/israelkills.htm</A> Israel Kills Palestinian Boys, Steals Organs For Transplants Teheran Times.com 1-9-2 AL-KHALIL (IRNA) - The Zionist state has tacitly admitted that doctors at the Israeli forensic institute at Abu Kabir had extracted the vital organs of three Palestinian teenage children killed by the Israeli Army nearly ten days ago. Zionist Minister of Health Nessim Dahhan said in response to a question by Arab member of the Zionist Parliament 'Knesset', Ahmed Teibi, on Tuesday that he couldn't deny that organs of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli forces were taken out for transplants or scientific research. "I couldn't say for sure that something like that (taking out the organs) didn't happen." Teibi said he had received credible evidence proving that Israeli doctors at the forensic institute extracted such vital organs as the heart, kidneys, and liver from the bodies of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli Army in Gaza and the West Bank. The Israeli authorities normally detain the bodies of martyred Palestinians for a few days without any explanation. The Israeli Army on December 30 killed three Palestinian boys, aged 14-15 near Khan Younis in unclear circumstances. The army issued conflicting reports on the killing, while Palestinian sources charged that Israeli troops murdered the three unarmed boys in cold blood. The bodies of the three boys were handed over to the Palestinians for burial on 6 January. However, shortly before burial, Palestinian medical authorities examined the bodies and found out that the main vital organs were missing from the bodies. The Israeli media have nearly completely ignored the affair. (IRNA)

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Burning down Peter Trei, spammeister,liar and coward.
by mattd 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Im glad you like Ockam's razor pete,its almost as good as Ockers razor.That's the one that's going to remind this list every time you post that you exposed another list member to a parole officer's bust. That this may have been accidental stupidity is what Ockams tells me. That it was Peter Treis eugenics experiment as treacherous and slimy as they come is what Ockers razor tells me. The punishment should be a straight razor across the throat in either case. I'm complaining to your company about you spamming this list as well.I hope you get the sack.All women working there should be aware of you,that's clear. Crawl back under your rock,Trei,go die.

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Need Legal Advice? 94
by legalhelp94＠yahoo.com 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

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Re: Gov Deep Net Monitoring
by Anonymous 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

>hosts a US government operation to monitor *all* traffic handled >by the ISP at a central network operations center. This operation John, this is hardly worth mentioning and looks just like a smoke cloud to divert attention from the good old echeloning. Why a smoke cloud ? Because this lawless monitoring can be "rectified", banished, and then everything will be OK, right ? Make no mistake, usg has been sucking *all* the bits from MAE{west,east,*} for years. The only thing they may need now is justification for collected information. Decoys a la carnivore and what not.

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IP: Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System (fwd)
by Eugene Leitl 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:55:58 -0500 From: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:14:24 >To: (Recipient list suppressed) >From: armen(a)ulster.net > > > >SCAN THIS NEWS >1.10.2002 > >Pres. Bush to Head-Up National ID System > >As previously reported here, Congress has recently directed the US >Department of Transportation to establish model guidelines for encoded data >on driver's licenses issued by states as part of the 2002 transportation >funding legislation. > >The Congressional directive also instructs federal agencies to work together >towards development and installation of fingerprint or retinal scanners at >airports which will read and verify data stored on the license documents. > >The directive constitutes formal establishment of a national ID system under >the leadership of President George W. Bush as chief executive of his >administration. > >According to the Congressional report the system will be used for national >security and to prevent fraud. It will also be used to stop "underage >drinking". > >The newly established Department of Transportation safety agency will manage >a federal database linking state driver information. > >The 1993 Driver's Privacy Protection Act (DPPA), codified at Title 18, >Section 2721, will serve as the authority for this program. The Act >~requires~ states to release personal information from motor vehicle >records for purposes of national defense (security) and matters involving >national or regional emergencies; all under direction of the President. > >The DPPA also authorizes the Secretary of Transportation to collect and >collate transportation related information whenever the Secretary decides >such collection will contribute to the improvement of the transportation >system of the United States. > >The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) has already >drafted a national ID standard. One of the required features of the AAMVA >standard is digitally encoded inclusion of Social Security Numbers -- even >though it is often claimed by proponents that SSNs would not be included. > >The AAMVA national ID standard also incorporates fingerprint and digital >photo criteria. > >AAMVA's standards director, Nathan Root, was recently quoted -- in an effort >to counter opposition to their national ID scheme -- saying, "they're giving >these systems too much credit in even assuming that somebody would be able >and interested to track everybody's whereabouts and >doings." > >If you believe Nathan Root, you deserve a national ID. > >--- > >CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 2299, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND >RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2002 (H.R. 2299) >ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/cp107/hr308.txt >Conference Report (H. Rept. 107-308) > >Model guidelines for encoded data on driver's licenses.-- >In light of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, it is clear that all >levels of government need to work in concert to deter and prevent future >attacks. One means of doing so is to ensure that individuals asked to >identify themselves are not using false identities. The increasing >availability through the internet of expertly crafted false identification >makes the task very difficult. The conferees are aware of technology, >existing today, that can quickly scan any encoded data on the reverse of a >driver's license to validate the license as legitimately issued. By >reviewing personal data encoded on the license, it can also be used to >assist in making a quick determination that the person displaying the >license is the person to whom it was issued. The conferees strongly >encourage the department to consider the development of model guidelines >specifying the types of encoded data that should be placed on driver's >licenses for security purposes, and to work in concert with states and >related licensing bodies toward the early implementation of such measures. >This could benefit the nation's efforts to improve security as well as >assist in reducing fraud and underage drinking. > >Document and biometric scanning technologies.-- >Document and biometric scanners linked to federal databases by computers and >containing advanced authentication capabilities would facilitate the >processing of background checks, provide fingerprint and additional >biometric identification capabilities, and authenticate documents presented >for identification. It is the conferees' understanding that such off the >shelf, commercially available technology is in use or being tested by the >Immigration and Naturalization Service. The conferees encourage FAA to >assess such document and biometric scanning technologies for use at all >commercial service airports. The conferees also recommend that the Secretary >implement standards to make use of technologies that quickly and >inexpensively assess the daily fitness-for- duty of airport security >screeners with respect to impairment due to illegal drugs, sleep >deprivation, legal medications, and alcohol. > >Fingerprint identification technologies.-- >The conferees are aware of the promise of forensic-quality fingerprint and >palmprint identification technologies for the rapid verification of >identities and employee background checks. The Aviation and Transportation >Security Act requires the department to investigate the application of >biometric technologies such as these off the shelf systems. The conferees >encourage FAA and the Transportation Security Administration to evaluate >these technologies for their immediate application to aviation security >missions. >-[snip]- > >--- > >TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 123 >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2721.html >Sec. 2721. - Prohibition on release and use of certain personal information >from State motor vehicle records > >(b) Permissible Uses. - >Personal information referred to in subsection (a) shall be disclosed for >use in connection with matters of motor vehicle or driver safety and theft >... and chapters 301, 305, and 321-331 of title 49... > >--- > >TITLE 49 > SUBTITLE I > CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER I >Sec. 301. - Leadership, consultation, and cooperation >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/301.html >The Secretary of Transportation shall - > >(1)under the direction of the President, exercise leadership in >transportation matters, including those matters affecting national defense >and those matters involving national or regional emergencies; > >(2)provide leadership in the development of transportation policies and >programs, and make recommendations to the President and Congress for their >consideration and implementation; > >(3)coordinate Federal policy on intermodal transportation and initiate >policies to promote efficient intermodal transportation in the United >States; > >--- > >TITLE 49 > SUBTITLE I > CHAPTER 3 > SUBCHAPTER II >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/329.html >Sec. 329. - Transportation information > >(a)The Secretary of Transportation may collect and collate transportation >information the Secretary decides will contribute to the improvement of the >transportation system of the United States. > >--- >AAMVA DL / ID Standard 2000 >http://www.aamva.org/standards/stdAAMVADLIdStandard2000.asp > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Social security is the bane of individual liberty. - SAM >====================================================================== >Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: >1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or >2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. >====================================================================== >Reply to: <scan(a)networkusa.org> >========================================================== > >NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is >distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior >interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and >educational purposes only. For more information go to: >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml > > >============ >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the ignition-point list, send email to: >majordomo(a)theveryfew.net >In the body of the message, include only the line: >unsubscribe ignition-point <your address> For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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tree huggers as terrorists
by Major Variola (ret) 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/01/08/MN42119.DTL Eco-vandals condemned as domestic terrorists But activists say all groups being tarred with extremist brush Robert Schlesinger, Boston Globe Tuesday, January 8, 2002 Washington -- On Sept. 20, as much of the country was still in shock from the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, self-proclaimed members of the Animal Liberation Front firebombed a primate research lab in New Mexico, causing $1 million in damage. In October, a federal land management facility in California was torched, causing $85,000 in damage. Members of the Earth Liberation Front claimed responsibility. The same movement is suspected of planting two homemade bombs in November at a forestry research center at Michigan Tech University. As the Bush administration pursues its war on terrorism at home and abroad, some political leaders, particularly from Western states, want to ensure that extreme environmental and animal rights groups share the focus. While even the harshest critics acknowledge that there is no proportionate comparison between Al Qaeda and groups like the Earth Liberation Front -- particularly because these radical environmental and animal rights groups have avoided taking lives -- they say that terrorism is terrorism. "The point has come when we need to strip away the Robin Hood mystique from this terrorism in our country," said Rep. Scott McInnis, a Republican from Colorado. McInnis's district includes the famed ski town of Vail. Earth Liberation Front members burned down a ski resort there in 1998, causing $12 million in damage. An estimated $40 million in damage is attributed to these radical groups over the past few years. That figure includes the fires at the Coulston Foundation labs in Alamogordo, N.M., in September and the Bureau of Land Management Wild Horse and Burro Facility in Litchfield (Lassen County), in October. State bomb squad technicians defused the two bombs found outside forestry research buildings at Michigan Tech last month. The Earth Liberation Front has not claimed responsibility for planting the explosives, but self-identified members of the group sent threatening e-mails to the university. FBI REPORT ON TERRORISM The FBI, in its most recent report on terrorism in the United States, identified such groups as among the biggest and fastest-growing domestic threats. "The threat posed by special interest extremism -- most notably the extreme fringes of the animal rights and environmental movements -- is also emerging as a significant concern for law enforcement," said the report, issued last year. Group members style themselves as defenders of Earth or animals against rapacious corporations and a complicit government. They ask who the "extremists" really are. "I find that torturing sentient animals, harming animals who would otherwise live a free life in the wild, I find that a bit extreme," said David Barbarash, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front, which opposes the often-painful use of animals in medical or product testing. "I don't find torture a normal practice; I think that's an extreme practice." CHARACTERIZATION REJECTED Barbarash dismissed descriptions of his group and the Earth Liberation Front as terrorist organizations, saying that no one has ever been killed by their actions. But there are similarities to terrorist organizations. ALF and ELF are organized in a cell structure, with small groups acting independently and without a central leader. The Internet is used as a tool to spread information and exhortation. ALF's Web site has a "recommended reading" section that includes a document on "Setting Fires With Electrical Timers -- An Earth Liberation Guide." The decentralized set-up is designed to prevent interference with the groups' activities. "This decentralized structure helps keep activists out of jail and free to continue conducting actions," the ELF Web site says. Activists who damage property are rarely identified or caught. Representative Darlene Hooley, a Democrat from Oregon whose district has endured a lot of clashes over the environment, is sponsoring a bill that would set up a national environmental terrorism information clearinghouse and step up federal aid for areas of high activity. "There has been increased activity on ecoterrorism in our state and in the Northwest and in my district," said Hooley, who added that Oregon has experienced 100 "major acts of terrorism" in the past 20 years -- one-third of them in the last four years. In February, McInnis will chair a hearing of a House Resources subcommittee focusing on ecoterrorism, and he has subpoenaed the former spokesman for ELF. McInnis and a half-dozen other Western Republican legislators have also sent a letter to prominent mainstream environmental groups calling upon them to disavow groups like ELF and ALF. McInnis, who is regularly at odds with these groups on policy matters, likens his effort to the coalition-building the United States has done internationally against terrorism. He hopes to form "coalitions with governments that do not necessarily agree with the U.S. on policy but agree that terrorism is not a way to solve policy differences," McInnis said. Most of the environmental groups -- who had long-standing, vocal positions opposing the radical fringe of their movements -- rolled their eyes at the political posturing while reiterating their positions. "I wonder why seven congressmen are so interested in challenging an organization to disavow ecoterrorism when Greenpeace has a perfect, 30-year record of peaceful, nonviolent civil disobedience used to engage corrupt governments and corporations around the world," John Pasacantando, Greenpeace USA's Executive Director, wrote to McInnis. "I wish that you would drop this ruse of trying to link peaceful environmental efforts to terrorism -- just at the moment when the country needs you to actually focus on real issues."

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Boost Your Windows Reliability!!!!!!!!!!
by r12449＠mymail.dk 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

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Re: more on procmail is not mattd's friend!
by Incognito Innominatus 11 Jan '02

11 Jan '02

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Anonymous wrote: > Have fun mattd(as I am sure you already are!) > this script allows anyone to return comments to mattd without effort. This, of course, is incredibly rude to the remailer operators.

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