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Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors
by Declan McCullagh 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

I just did a lexis-nexis search on: "Jewish people control America and the Americans know it" AND date aft 9/10/2001 Eric Cordian's claim is false. There is a discussion of that alleged quote in what appears to be the editorial pages ofthe Omaha World-Herald on October 1, 2001 -- two days before Cordian claims Sharon said it. Did Cordian's source get the date wrong but the quote right? Well, here's an excerpt from that discussion: >>> With reference to Bruce Malina's question (Oct. 27 Pulse) as to why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's statement to Foreign Minister Shimon Peres wasn't reported in the U.S. media: The answer is that it is difficult to believe that any Israeli leader could be so stupid as to say, "We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Mr. Malina uses a very suspect source, the Washington Report of Oct. 3. The Washington Report is a monthly magazine influenced by Andy Kilgore, who had been U.S. ambassador to several Arab countries. This magazine provides the most obsessive pro-Arab and anti-Israeli reading in the United States. An example of its bias is an article in its April-May 1992 issue that suggests that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by the Mossad so that Lyndon Johnson, who was considered to be pro-Israel, could become president. <<< The quote also appears in an Oct. 13 bylined article in The Tallahassee Democrat: >>> So how does Israel, in turn, show its reliability as a friend to the United States? To answer that question, we turn to an Oct. 3 report from the Palestinian Information Center in occupied Jerusalem. According to this report, an argument broke out during a recent Israeli Cabinet session between Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign minister, Shimon Peres. Peres had warned Sharon that if they didn't heed America's request for a cease-fire with the Palestinians it would endanger Israeli interests and turn the United States against them. At which point, a furious Sharon reportedly told Peres, "Every time we do something, you tell me that America will do this or do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." <<< No other newspapers matched that search phrase. Whatever Sharon's true feelings, the provenance of that quote seems especially dubious. If you believe otherwise, I have some 1,000:1 compression software to sell you. -Declan On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 04:24:09PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > Eric Cordian[SMTP:emc@artifact.psychedelic.net] wrote: > > > > "I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about > > American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, > > and the Americans know it." > > --Ariel Sharon > > October 3, 2001 > > > Eric: > > I don't recall hearing about this remark on the news at > the time, and I suspect I would have. A Google search > turns up a number of cites, but they are all on white > supremacist or anti-Isreal sites. The original source is > the Islamic Association for Palestine site: > http://www.iap.org. The message is archived at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iapinfo/message/2132 > > Are there any major media citations in any country? > If not, I suspect that this is a manufactured quote, > like the ones we saw a few years ago where Janet > Reno was alleged to indicate that Christians weren't > good citizens. > > Regardless of what Sharon may or may not believe, I > don't think he could have said this without the major > media jumping all over it, in the way that Bush > recently got pinged for referring to the people > of Pakistan as 'Pakis' (a racial slur in Britain). > > Of course, one could take the self-fullfiling viewpoint > that the fact that this quote only appears in extreme > fringe publications is simply proof of total Jewish control > of the major media. I prefer to apply Occam's Razor. > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > ================ > This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended > solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and > CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express > prior written permission of the sender. If > you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any > third party or use the contents, attachments or > information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the > attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. > Thank You. > ============================================================================ > ================

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Scientist Lee says data he copied were non-vital 'junk'
by Jei 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:45:35 +0100 From: Mario Profaca <mprofaca(a)reporters.net> Reply-To: spynews(a)yahoogroups.com To: "[Spy News]" <spynews(a)yahoogroups.com> Subject: [Spy News] Scientist Lee says data he copied were non-vital 'junk' http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/012/nation/Scientist_Lee_says_data_he_copi ed_were_non_vital_junk_+.shtml Scientist Lee says data he copied were non-vital 'junk' By Richard Benke, Associated Press, 1/12/2002 LOS ALAMOS, N.M. - In a new memoir, former Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee says the nuclear ''crown jewels'' he was accused of mishandling were really the ''crown junk'' and were not vital to national security. The files he downloaded were old, with much of the information already public and very little of it classified, Lee says in ''My Country Versus Me,'' published by Hyperion. He says he copied the material onto tapes because he had lost files before and did not trust the computer system. He describes himself as a loyal ''Cold Warrior'' for the United States, yet says the FBI threatened him with execution if he did not confess to giving nuclear secrets to China. ''I want to share through this book how I fell into a trap,'' Lee says, ''one slippery step at a time, not even realizing what was happening until it was too late.'' Lee, a Taiwanese-born naturalized US citizen, was arrested in December 1999 and indicted on 59 felony counts alleging he transferred nuclear weapons information to portable computer tapes. He was held in solitary confinement for nine months, but never charged with spying. As the government's case crumbled, Lee pleaded guilty to a felony count of downloading sensitive material, and was set free. The mishandling of the case was an embarrassment for the FBI and the Justice Department. While Lee was behind bars, one senior scientist called the files ''the crown jewels.'' Lee says the downloaded tapes were all work-related, routine, and contained in a secure area at Los Alamos National Laboratory. ''In fact, the `crown jewels' are largely the crown junk,'' he says. ''This is the biggest nuclear weapons secret that LANL and the government have to hide.'' Lee says he copied the files - needed to design computer simulations for nuclear explosions - so he could have backup copies. ''In 1993, I lost several files as a result of a computer system conversion at the lab,'' he says. ''One of the codes I lost was about nuclear reactor safety. ... This was an important code, and it was gone.'' A call to the US attorney's office in Albuquerque yesterday was not immediately returned. Lee, who has been a US citizen since 1974 and spent 20 years doing top-secret work at the lab, is suing the government for defamation and claims he was targeted because he is ethnic Chinese. 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This is strange!! 20+20=60? .... How?
by Oh Henry! 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

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This is strange!! 20+20=60? .... How?
by Oh Henry! 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

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Burning down the olympics
by Major Variola (ret) 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Tuesday January 08 09:52 PM EST http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20020108/ts/olympicprotesters020108_1.html Olympics Officials Keep Eyes on Protesters By Geraldine Sealey ABCNEWS.com Security plan for terrorists and protesters. Security for the Salt Lake City Olympics, with a price tag exceeding $300 million, was a top priority even before Sept. 11. But international terrorism isn't the only threat: Officials are bracing for a potential record number of protesters and that some might take advantage of the world stage to make mayhem. While Olympics and city officials say they have no evidence of unruly demonstrations planned for the 17-day Games set to begin on Feb. 8, they are preparing for them. About 1 million visitors from around the world are expected to descend on the city next month along with an undetermined number of demonstrators. One official strategy for controlling demonstrations seems to be accommodating peaceful protesters as much as possible. So many demonstrators want to come to Salt Lake City to support their causes that officials are providing demonstrators seven official protest zones believed to be a first for the Games. The city is also issuing official permits for groups that want to protest in Salt Lake City during the games. By providing safe zones where demonstrators can exercise their free speech rights, city and Olympic officials are hoping to prevent the kind of violent and disorderly protests that have marred such recent international events as the 1999 World Trade Organization (news - web sites) meetings in Seattle or last year's G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Mapping out protest zones and certifying legitimate Olympic demonstrators is helping the Games organizers keep tabs on who is showing up, officials say. The organizers clearly have learned lessons from recent violent demonstrations. They're also tuned in to radical environmental and animal rights activists, active in Utah, who have turned to violence in recent years to spread their message. "The demonstrations that have gotten out of hand like at the WTO seem to be a fairly recent phenomenon that we want to be prepared for," said Josh Ewing, a spokesman for Salt Lake City. Not All Protesters Created Equal In the new era of globally organized protesters and violence-prone anarchists, not all protesters are created equal. The protest groups who have signed up for permits to set up camp near the Olympic events are peaceful groups and are not expected to incite unrest. "[Games planners] are preparing for the worst, but animal rights have the intention of organizing non-violent protests," said Sean Diener, director of the Utah Animal Rights Coalition, which is helping to organize protests against the Olympics-sponsored Rodeo. "We have no expectation for anything to turn out like the things in Genoa or Seattle. There will be non-violent but effective protests," he said. As of late last week, 10 groups had received official protest permits from the city, including homeless activists, supporters of the banned Chinese spiritual sect Falun Gong (news - web sites), disabled rights advocates, and a church group critical of gay rights. Even though Olympics protests so far are expected to be peaceful, security officials are concerned that demonstrators interested in violence or general lawlessness could infiltrate those protesters who are coordinating their efforts with the city and Olympic officials. Officials have investigated the Web site of a group called Build Underground Resistance Not the Olympics, which claims to be devoted to agitating and educating demonstrators for the Games. The site reads: "BURN the Olympics has been initiated by radicals who are not resigned to sit back and watch our city turn into a playground for the rich. We plan on using our diverse skills and tactics to tackle the multinational death machine that is killing the planet." BURN says the Olympics are too corporate, too money-driven, advance globalization and nationalism, and ruin the environment. Another group, Citizens Activist Network, is also opposed to the Olympics on similar grounds, but has signed up for a legal permit to protest in an official zone, where BURN has not. A spokeswoman for BURN, who only goes by the name of "Sabrina," said her group would not apply for a permit because by doing so, "we would be recognizing the authority of the state to grant or deny freedom of speech." Intelligence Operation Against Anarchist Infiltration Further, she said, many globalization protesters would likely demonstrate at a meeting of G8 finance ministers scheduled for Feb. 8 and 9 in Ottawa, and so turnout among globalization protesters is not likely to be comparable at the Olympics as at other international events. It is difficult to tell how many demonstrators the BURN group legitimately represents. Salt Lake City officials believe the BURN site might only be run by the spokeswoman, with no extensive organization backing it. But still, officials are preparing for anything. To head off violent protests, law enforcement agencies have conducted years-long intelligence operations in an attempt to figure out whether potentially disruptive groups are headed to Salt Lake City. The security effort also will include handing our educational pamphlets to protesters with permits to warn them about the possibility that radical activists who would incite violence could infiltrate their ranks. While officials are doing everything in their power to allow demonstrators to have a voice during the Games, "People have been oblivious to other people infiltrating them and it's gotten nasty," Ewing said. Olympics planners will warn demonstrators that if police ask them to disperse for any reason and they do not, protesters will be arrested. Hoping for Crowd Control Stephen Clark, legal director of the Utah chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), said he hopes security officials have learned how to control crowds more efficiently after past clashes with demonstrators got ugly. "There seems to have been two models: Seattle, where there seemed to be a total lack of preparation, and then the other extreme is the Republican convention in Philadelphia in 2000," he said, "where police seemed to apply a program of preventive detention by rounding up usual suspects and placing them in jail with million-dollar bails so people couldn't cause chaos for the convention. "I hope the organizers have appropriately planned for spontaneous protests, or even people who might want to cause mischief, and not overreact." The threat of violence at the Olympics is not a new phenomenon, of course. At the 1996 Atlanta Games, the bombing in Centennial Park killed 1 and injured 111, reminding Olympic organizers how vulnerable the Games could be. Terrorism also struck the Olympics in Munich in 1972 when 11 Israeli athletes were killed by Palestinian gunmen.

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The National Guard.Know your enemy.
by mattd 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Send in the National Guard Few people realize that the National Guard was a late 19th century device invented to "deal with" so called civil disturbances, also known as labor movements. The Guard was created to solve a problem: local cops could not reliably be counted on to brutalize strikers. The railroad strike of 1877 which created vast protests nationwide highlighted the need for an internal, federal anti-labor army. Membership in the Guard was originally WASP only (Irish, Italians and Poles were not to be trusted) and staffing came from the "upper crust" of society. You'll note that most armories from the founding era of the National Guard are located "uptown" in affluent neighborhoods. Elite members saw the armories as their last refuge in case of a class war which in the late 19th century was threatening to boil over at any minute. The question "would an American shoot a fellow American?" is not a recent one and it was determined over 100 years ago that yes, he would - and should if ordered. "Speaking at the annual convention of the Wisconsin National Guard in 1884, Colonel Charles King advised his fellow officers in a riot. 'Do not shoot until you have to, but when you shoot, shoot to kill"; he also spoke of the Milwaukee mobs, 'on whom it might be a municipal blessing to fire.'" A member of 19th Regiment of Pennsylvania summed up his understanding of his responsibilities this way: "It'll be a hard thing for me to shoot into a crowd of men who are bound to me by all the ties of human interest and friendship, but when I have my uniform on and the command of 'Fire' is given, I will shoot." These quotes come from "America's Armories" a book by Robert M. Fogelson, Professor of Urban Studies at MIT in a book published by Harvard University Press. Tyrants have a real problem when it comes to the challenge of getting otherwise decent people, men sworn to uphold the law, to commit atrocities against their own people. It's a problem, but not an insurmountable one. The solution, I'm afraid, is simple: deliberately put the law enforcers in harm's way (or create the illusion that they are in harm's way) and let nature take its course. A heavily armed force, strained, disoriented, and then threatened will "defend" itself with force and once the bullets start flying it's impossible to take them back and hard to cool things down. Take Kent State. It is a little known fact that the troops sent to Kent State to put down what amounted to little more than college hijinks at the demand of a paranoid and politically connected university president, were transferred to the campus straight from the burning streets of Detroit where they had regularly come under real gun fire in one of the most destructive riots in US history. The real problem in Kent State was not an anti-war protest, by the way, but a riot that occurred the previous weekend that had more to do with heavy drinking and spring fever than politics. It was *after* the shootings that the Guard then became an occupation force on the campus, imposing the equivalent of martial law. Take Tiananmen Square. When local forces would not act against the pro-democracy forces and in fact showed outright support of them, *rural* troops, many of whom had never seen a big city, were brought in. Carefully controlled as to the information they received, the imported troops were told that the protestors were led by dangerous foreigners who wanted to enslave the country. As a finishing touch, they were warned that the square was filled with all sorts of contagious disease and were advised to wear surgical masks and given "inoculations" right before the assault. The inoculations contained amphetamines which added to the country-raised soldiers terror as they were propelled into what they were told was a square of assassins and violent saboteurs. Take Chile. The most stable and democratic country in South America, suddenly the scene of a anti-civilian blood bath. Why? A carefully orchestrated psychological warfare campaign, that included assassinations of uncooperative military leaders, convinced the military that if they did not eliminate "the Left," the Left in Chile was actively making plans to eliminate them violently and replace them with a people's militia. A fable, but it was believed and acted upon. Even in a small riot in a US city, in order to get large numbers of police to behave viciously, the information given to them must be carefully controlled and they must be put in a situation where they are convinced that *they* are in danger and is kill or be killed. That's how it will happen here. Currently, National Guard members are being conditioned to project authority over average citizens in every day activities, in airports, in train stations, in bus stations. They are also, no doubt, being told that *everyone* is suspect and that anyone, at any time can suddenly 'snap' in the service of Osama bin Laden. Guys with funny shoes. Patriotic, good hearted kids in air planes. I expect soon we'll see a grandma join in. That's why I find the following story about the Iowa National Guard's ambitious training campaign so interesting. Some quotes: "... officers will be making their presence known around town as part of their terrorist training. "... the exercises are meant to serve as a reminder to Iowans. That attacks could happen here and we all need to be better prepared". I agree. We all need to be better prepared. http://www.rense.com/general19/gulag.htm

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Amerika Uber Alles
by mattd 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Amerika Uber Alles (Again) by Manuel Miles Note to anti-police-state/antiwar activists everywhere: the "new McCarthyism" is nothing new, as its name might even suggest. It's as Amerikan as apple flag and The Pie. The USA has been a goose-stepping, imperial state since at least the early nineteenth century, and it's not the first state of its kind in history either; not by a long shot. Witch hunting, as its name also suggests, is not a new practice in the USA. The Salem trials were the instrument of statist mass hysteria of their day. History then hurls the Alien-Sedition Act at us, followed by the Trail of Tears, Lincoln's mass imprisonment of dissenters and dissolution of the legal government of Maryland, the persecution of German-Americans in Part One of the World War and of the Japanese-Americans in Part Two, Joe McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee, the left/right coalition against them dirty hippie peaceniks during the War Against Viet Nam, and numerous other rounds of totalitarian terror campaigns which I haven't the time and space to even summarise because it's the entire history of the USA. So wake up and smell the decaf; this is no change of direction or sudden loss of imagined freedoms which the Imperial USA State never deigned to grant its serfs in the first place. A slight lessening of the harassment of dissenters occurs when the Empire is not feeling either particularly rambunctious or particularly threatened, but as soon as it hits one of its expansionist peaks, the pretence and the gloves both come off. Both wings of the Empire's ruling oligarchy have dropped their masks recently, much to the apparent astonishment of Libertarians and peaceniks who should not have been surprised in the least. First, it was "discovered" with great cries of shock that liberals were suddenly become gung-ho warmongers, as if there were no historical record of Wilson, FDR and LBJ--all three of whom had campaigned as "peace candidates"! Next came the "shocking revelation" that the so-called neo-cons were actually not opposed to massive expansion of government powers (even in the domestic arena of education where Bush, with the collaboration of a major Democratic Senator, is poised to sign the biggest, most expensive federal-interference-in-education bill in US history). As for the absurd self-deluding hopes that the neo-cons would actually oppose imperial wars of expansion, the recent bloodthirsty, fascistic positions of the fifth columnist "libertarian/neo-con" Cato Institute and Free[sic]Republic have revealed any such pipe dreams to be just so much political opium smoke. Now, all over the Internet, one can read of how shocked the naive among the antiwar forces are. This doesn't speak well for how well we have educated ourselves, especially in world and USA history. I can only conclude that too many of the younger generation of Liberty-lovers have not read enough history and that, worse still, we older ones have not bothered to educate them. Look for that to change. We need a massive, ongoing "teach-in" for ourselves and the rest of society as well, and I am starting it. Your first assignment, peaceniks, is to read MANY histories of Rome. If you fail to see the parallels to the Amerikan Empire (and all others), then you should drop out of the school of Liberty; you belong with the fifth columnists at the Cato Institute for Imperial War and Expansion. For those who want to read ahead, after you have done your research into ancient Rome, try reading actual USA history. Surprisingly enough, there is some of it out there, buried among the gloss-overs and paeans to the glory of the Imperial State(s). If you have any desire to be nostalgic for the wonderful American past of freedom and opportunity, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah, then you had better not poke your nose into the snake pit that is historical Amerika. Consider this to be fair warning; more will follow. January 10, 2002 Manuel Miles, aka Kaptain Kanada, is a politically incorrect writer from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He is rude, nasty, intolerant, insensitive, hateful, hurtful, and proud of it. If something he writes hurts your sensitive New Age feelings, don't bother to whine to him about it; he doesn't care. He is a self-professed enemy of the state, and his personal goal is "...to die fighting for Liberty.

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Israel Kills Palestinian Boys For Organs!!!
by mattd 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Portnoys Complaint Its been known that the Israeli criminal snipers use dum dums and aimed to disable permanently so if they decided to harvest some organs it would be no huge extension.It might be preferable to be killed outright rather than live as para/quadraplegic in a police state thats looking more like the old Apartheid horrorshow everyday.Targeted action against 'wide target' sharon is clearly urgently needed.(my 0.02c) I wonder when the base will discover APster? The least hierachic should inherit the earth.Do we have any arabic translators in the house? This story reminds me of China recently where the organ donor,a convicted criminal shot in the back of the head,was still moving as the incision to remove his kidney was made.That monty python skit in the meaning of life looks more like a documentary these days.Did you sign this organ donor release form?We're here for your liver.

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