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Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...
by Steve Furlong 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

On Friday 11 October 2002 14:13, Trei, Peter wrote: > If anonymous were a person of character... Oxymoron, eh? Pseudonymity has many socially acceptable features. Anonymity has all of the practical benefits of pseudonymity and no additional advantages in a conversational forum such as cpunks. Anonymous persons (or dumbassbots; it's hard to tell sometimes) who snipe from behind the veil may be assumed to be cowardly jackasses. -- Steve Furlong Computer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking

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Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...
by Harmon Seaver 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

You have to realize that there are any number of fedzis who subscribe to this list, it's a well authenticated fact, matter of court testimony. And fedzis aren't noted for brains, or even being able to read, which is why he attacked you instead of me. And of course most fedzis positively foam at the mouth when hearing the truth being spoken, thus the rabid nature of his spewing. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 "Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of resources." - Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html

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US developing untraceable weapons
by Major Variola (ret) 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Theres no huge explosion associated with its employment, there are no pieces and parts left behind that someone can analyze to say, this came from the United States, explains an unnamed Lockheed Martin official quoted in Aviation Week and Space Technology in July. The damage is localized, and it is hard to tell where it came from and when it happened. It is all pretty mysterious. http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/24/news1.shtml Maybe we'll drop a Tarot card with Uncle Sam on it? http://www.counterpunch.org/stanton1005.html: Coincidental, no doubt, but one day after Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer's comment on putting a bullet into the sovereign ruler of Iraq's head, five US citizens in a suburb of Washington, DC, lost their lives in just that manner

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Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...
by Harmon Seaver 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Here's the cite for the Ramsey Clark quote. On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 06:33:46PM +0200, Anonymous wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote: > > > > "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the > > majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is > > conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the > > masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 > > > > "Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present > > day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the > > capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if > > possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign > > policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump > > through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of > > resources." > > - Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General > > Is there some reason you want to publish these bogus, uncitationed, false, propaganda quotations? > Just adding to misinformation? Preferring to further downgrade the public discourse? Planting lies > for subsequent citation as proof of something? What an asshole. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 "Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of resources." - Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html

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Re: Echelon-like resources...
by Tyler Durden 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Harmon Seaver wrote... > Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything >whatsoever? Lotus Notes or whatever, of course. The point here is that larger organizations with decryption capabilities probably do not think on the message-by-message level very often, just like credit card companies and insurance agencies deal with their customers in statistical buckets. It's also conceivable that a large variety of individuals, of varying levels of sophistication and education, catch wind of information the government may be interested in. Some of them may not feel or know that their message is of enough importance to go outside ofLotus Notes or whatever if they have it. > > >On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 09:37:52AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > > OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute >for > > Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly encypted lotus notes >message. > > And then let's assume that there's a whole LOT of these machines sitting > > somewhere. > > > > And as the grumpy Tim May has suggested, perhaps only a small fraction >of > > encrypted messages are (or can be) sent for decryption. > > > > Then the expenditure of such resources is going to be a big statistical > > optimization problem, akin to that faced in the credit card industry >(eg, > > in approving or declining a POS transaction). > > > > The gub'mint or whatever doing such monitoring will therefore probably >look > > for certain signs that will kick off decryption. For instance, the >sporadic > > use of cryptography in cetain demogrpahic areas might cause a % of those >to > > be sent over for routine check, particularly if there is no encryption >used > > by that populace, and then all of a sudden there are bursts. > > > > Also, changing the strength of encryption might be a kickoff, but again >I > > reveal I am a newbie with this question: Is it possible to determine (at > > least approximately) the strength of encryption of an intercepted >message? > > > > Then, if someone from, say, the b'Arbes neighborhood of Paris moves > > suddenly from weak to strong encryption in his messaging, that would >kick > > off a flag somewhere sending that message for cracking. > > > > So if a bin Laden were smart, he should routinely use encryption for all >of > > his messages, even the most trivial, because the change in pattern would >be > > a tipoff to send his encrypted messages for hacking. > > > > And the there are probably less obvious, large-scale statistical >patterns > > indicating something's up, and causing a % of such messages to be hacked > > and then sent for routine check for key words. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Adam Back <adam(a)cypherspace.org> > > >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> > > >CC: DaveHowe(a)gmx.co.uk, cypherpunks(a)lne.com > > >Subject: Re: Echelon-like... > > >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:41:21 +0100 > > > > > >Sounds about right. 64 bit crypto in the "strong" version (which is > > >not that strong -- the distributed.net challenge recently broke a 64 > > >bit key), and in the export version 24 of those 64 bits were encrypted > > >with an NSA backdoor key, leaving only 40 bits of key space for the > > >NSA to bruteforce to recover messages. > > > > > >The NSA's backdoor public key is at the URL below. > > > > > > http://www.cypherspace.org/~adam/hacks/lotus-nsa-key.html > > > > > >(The public key had an Organization name of "MiniTruth", and a Common > > >Name of "Big Brother" -- both Orwell "1984" references, presumably by > > >a lotus programmer). > > > > > >Adam > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 02:34:38PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > > >> "I assume everyone knows the little arrangement that lotus > > >> reached with the NSA over its encrypted secure email?" > > >> > > >> I'm new here, so do tell if I am wrong. Are you referring to the two > > >levels > > >> of Encryption available in Bogus Notes? (ie, the North American and >the > > >> International, the International being "legal for export".) > > >> At one of my previous employers, we were told the (apocryphal?) story >of > > >> some dude who got arrested on an airplane for having the more secure > > >version > > >> of Notes on his laptop. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >From: "David Howe" <DaveHowe(a)gmx.co.uk> > > >> >To: "Email List: Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> > > >> >Subject: Re: Echelon-like... > > >> >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:38:36 +0100 > > >> > > > >> >On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 07:28 PM, anonimo arancio wrote: > > >> > > The basic argument is that, if good encryption is available >overseas > > >> > > or easily downloadable, it doesn't make sense to make export of >it > > >> > > illegal. > > >> >Nope. The biggest name in software right now is Microsoft, who >wasn't > > >> >willing to face down the government on this. no export version of a > > >> >Microsoft product had decent crypto while the export regulations >were > > >in > > >> >force - and the situation is pretty poor even now. If microsoft were > > >> >free to compete in this area (and lotus, of notes fame) then decent > > >> >security *built into* the operating system, the desktop document >suite > > >> >or the email package - and life would get a lot, lot worse for the > > >> >spooks. I assume everyone knows the little arrangement that lotus > > >> >reached with the NSA over its encrypted secure email? > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >-- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com > >"War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the >majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is >conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the >masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 > >"Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present >day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the >capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if >possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign >policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump >through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of >resources." >- Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Echelon-like resources...
by Tyler Durden 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute for Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly encypted lotus notes message. And then let's assume that there's a whole LOT of these machines sitting somewhere. And as the grumpy Tim May has suggested, perhaps only a small fraction of encrypted messages are (or can be) sent for decryption. Then the expenditure of such resources is going to be a big statistical optimization problem, akin to that faced in the credit card industry (eg, in approving or declining a POS transaction). The gub'mint or whatever doing such monitoring will therefore probably look for certain signs that will kick off decryption. For instance, the sporadic use of cryptography in cetain demogrpahic areas might cause a % of those to be sent over for routine check, particularly if there is no encryption used by that populace, and then all of a sudden there are bursts. Also, changing the strength of encryption might be a kickoff, but again I reveal I am a newbie with this question: Is it possible to determine (at least approximately) the strength of encryption of an intercepted message? Then, if someone from, say, the b'Arbes neighborhood of Paris moves suddenly from weak to strong encryption in his messaging, that would kick off a flag somewhere sending that message for cracking. So if a bin Laden were smart, he should routinely use encryption for all of his messages, even the most trivial, because the change in pattern would be a tipoff to send his encrypted messages for hacking. And the there are probably less obvious, large-scale statistical patterns indicating something's up, and causing a % of such messages to be hacked and then sent for routine check for key words. >From: Adam Back <adam(a)cypherspace.org> >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> >CC: DaveHowe(a)gmx.co.uk, cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: Echelon-like... >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:41:21 +0100 > >Sounds about right. 64 bit crypto in the "strong" version (which is >not that strong -- the distributed.net challenge recently broke a 64 >bit key), and in the export version 24 of those 64 bits were encrypted >with an NSA backdoor key, leaving only 40 bits of key space for the >NSA to bruteforce to recover messages. > >The NSA's backdoor public key is at the URL below. > > http://www.cypherspace.org/~adam/hacks/lotus-nsa-key.html > >(The public key had an Organization name of "MiniTruth", and a Common >Name of "Big Brother" -- both Orwell "1984" references, presumably by >a lotus programmer). > >Adam > >On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 02:34:38PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: > > "I assume everyone knows the little arrangement that lotus > > reached with the NSA over its encrypted secure email?" > > > > I'm new here, so do tell if I am wrong. Are you referring to the two >levels > > of Encryption available in Bogus Notes? (ie, the North American and the > > International, the International being "legal for export".) > > At one of my previous employers, we were told the (apocryphal?) story of > > some dude who got arrested on an airplane for having the more secure >version > > of Notes on his laptop. > > > > > > > > >From: "David Howe" <DaveHowe(a)gmx.co.uk> > > >To: "Email List: Cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> > > >Subject: Re: Echelon-like... > > >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:38:36 +0100 > > > > > >On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 07:28 PM, anonimo arancio wrote: > > > > The basic argument is that, if good encryption is available overseas > > > > or easily downloadable, it doesn't make sense to make export of it > > > > illegal. > > >Nope. The biggest name in software right now is Microsoft, who wasn't > > >willing to face down the government on this. no export version of a > > >Microsoft product had decent crypto while the export regulations were >in > > >force - and the situation is pretty poor even now. If microsoft were > > >free to compete in this area (and lotus, of notes fame) then decent > > >security *built into* the operating system, the desktop document suite > > >or the email package - and life would get a lot, lot worse for the > > >spooks. I assume everyone knows the little arrangement that lotus > > >reached with the NSA over its encrypted secure email? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Multimedia Design at 5$ per hour
by Creativeskulls 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

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11 Oct '02

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HUMANITARIAN
by MRS. M. SESE SEKO 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

DEAR FRIEND, I AM MRS. SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC). I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER, THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION. I ESCAPED ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO OF OUR SONS KENNETH AND BASHER OUT OF DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC) TO ABIDJAN, COTE D'IVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO SETTLED IN MORROCO WHERE MY HUSBAND LATER DIED OF CANCER DISEASE. HOWEVER DUE TO THIS SITUATION WE DECIDED TO CHANGED MOST OF MY HUSBAND'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANK AND OTHER COUNTRIES INTO OTHER FORMS OF MONEY CODED FOR SAFE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE NEW HEAD OF STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'S TREASURES DEPOSITED IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE MY CHILDREN AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER, LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND THE SON TAKING OVER (JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY LATE HUSBAND'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY SO THAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF EIGHTEEN MLLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS(US$18000,000,00.) WITH A SECURITY COMPANY , FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE SECURITY CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING THE CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST US BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF.ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE, SO THAT I CAN INTRODUCE YOU TO MY SON(KENNEH) WHO HAS THE OUT MODALITIES FOR THE CLAIM OF THE SAID FUNDS. I WANT YOU TO ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, BUT I WILL NOT WANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED. I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND STOCK IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND TO ENGAGE IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE INVESTMENTS. MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASISE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU. IN CONCLUSION, IF YOU WANT TO ASSIST US , MY SON SHALL PUT YOU IN THE PICTURE OF THE BUSINESS, TELL YOU WHERE THE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED AND ALSO DISCUSS OTHER MODALITIES INCLUDING REMUNERATION FOR YOUR SERVICES. FOR THIS REASON KINDLY FURNISH US YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE AND ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS MAIL USING THE ABOVE EMAIL ADDRESS. BEST REGARDS, MRS M. SESE SEKO

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by joejones3345＠sirenas.solmelia.cu 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

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