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RE: The trend toward "signing away rights"
by Trei, Peter 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

> Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] wrote [...] > Last night had a plot device on "The Practice" (a generally bad > show...I ought to stop watching) where nearly all residents in an > upscale burbclave had signed a pledge--reminiscent of my opening > point--where owners of cars would invite the police to stop their cars > and search them without a warrant of any kind, without even today's lax > probable cause. Obedient citizen-units would place a bumper sticker on > their vehicles giving up their Fourth Amendment expectations of being > secure in their papers and possessions. Those who didn't have the > bumper sticker, well, there are a _lot_ of cops out there with nothing > better to do between donut breaks than to stop cars without stickers > for "suspicious reasons." > > (I wonder what would happen if a bumper sticker said "I support the > Fourth Amendment. Just in case you don't, I have a gun.") > Reality precedes fiction. Around Boston I sometimes see cars with an odd little sticker in the back window, white, round, with a stylized blue car in the top half (it can also be read as the face of someone wearing a fedora, peering out from under the brim). If you put one of these stickers on your car, you are giving the police permission to pull the car over without probable cause if they find it on the road late at night (1am-5am, or something like that), just to check that all is in order. I think it's being promoted as an anti-theft tool. I prefer the "This car protected by Smith & Wesson" stickers. "They that give up essential liberties to obtain temporary safety will soon have neither libery or safety." Peter Trei

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Re: Money is about expected future value....nothing more, nothing less
by Marcel Popescu 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

From: "Tim May" <tcmay(a)got.net> > Isn't this what I said? Yes, I agreed with you with regard to the law as it is in the UK. I corrected my mistake. Mark

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RE: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
by Lucky Green 10 Dec '02

10 Dec '02

James A. Donald wrote: > In general wars lead to a major temporary reduction in liberty, > but a smaller permanent reduction in liberty. Unfortunately > the war on terror will probably never end, so there will be no > recovery. I heard some governmental official on the radio the other day (I paid attention too late to catch the name) that the War on Terrorism should be won in about 60 years, at which point the American citizens would see their civil liberties returned. Obviously, only traitors, agitators, and other enemy combatants would make the outrageous claim that this war will likely last perpetually. --Lucky

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Re: Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki
by Tim May 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 07:29 PM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 4:52 PM -0800 on 12/9/02, Steve Schear wrote: > > >> Haven't seen this discussed here. > > Meaning there is one, or you want to start one? SSShhh!, everyone! Don't tell Bob about Wikis and Blogs, else we'll be inundated with a dozen Wikis and Blogs like "Insta-Clearing Wiki," "Digifrancsblog," "Philodex Wiki," "Bearer Blog," and all the other cruft. > --Tim May "You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael Shirley

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Digital Bearer Settlements Wiki
by Steve Schear 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Haven't seen this discussed here. steve "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Fraser Tyler

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Fwd: Jon Johansen charged with "hacking his own PC"
by Steve Schear 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

[Another example of how desperate and morally bankrupt Hollywood has become.] >From: "Cory Doctorow" <doctorow(a)craphound.com> >Mailing-List: list boingboing-mailblog(a)yahoogroups.com; contact >boingboing-mailblog-owner(a)yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list boingboing-mailblog(a)yahoogroups.com >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:26:50 -0800 >Subject: [Boing Boing Blog] DVD hacker on trial in Norway on Monday >Reply-To: boingboing-mailblog-owner(a)yahoogroups.com > > ><http://groups.yahoo.com/> <http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups>My Groups | ><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boingboing-mailblog>boingboing-mailblog Main >Page > >Jon Johansen, the Norweigan teenager who helped crack the crypto on DVDs so >that he could watch out-of-region disks on his PC, is facing charges on >Monday in Norway. I asked a lawyer-friend about this today: if Norgeigan >law doesn't have the "anti-circumvention" stuff that the American DMCA has, >what has Jon been charged with? It turns out that the MPAA insisted that >Jon be prosecuted and that the best the Norweigan prosecutors could come up >with is a statute forbidding intruding on a computer, so they charged him >with hacking his own PC. ><http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/DeCSS_prosecutions/Johansen_DeCSS_case/20021206…>Link ><http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/FRpxGwFFe6M2>Discuss > >-- >Posted by Cory Doctorow to <http://boingboing.net/>Boing Boing Blog at >12/6/2002 11:26:49 PM "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Fraser Tyler

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Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
by Mike Rosing 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: > > It already has. And the hell with the horses -- tie the other end of the rope > to a fast car. That would give a new meaning to "drawn and quartered". There's a lot of bureaucrats who need that performed on them. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
by Sunder 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > Siliness, compounded. Show me a law about "obligatory cameras in > cybercafes." It's silly now. A few years back, the spook said that the NSA doesn't spy on US citizens and won't because that was not its charter.

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Re: Akamai
by Greg Pelcak 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote: > Anyone know anything about Akamai (www.akamai.com, also > akamaitechnologies.com)? Most of the experience I have with Akamai is with them hosting high-traffic websites with geographically distributed servers. I thought they had mostly gone bust, but it's possible they're still doing it. A lot of websites a couple years ago talked about being "akamaized", meaning that they had their site hosted by akamai to allow for good server response time all around the country.

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Re: Photographer Arrested For Taking Pictures Of Vice President'S Hotel
by Tyler Durden 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

"Frankly, millions of these fascists need a simple solution: a tree, a horse, and a rope." Damn. If it gets to the point where I'm a terrorist because some local warlord doesn't like me (or thinks I disrespect his authority), then "might makes right" is all that will be left. In a way, the potential and impending truth of Tim May's statement is for a me a motivator to continue to promote strong crypto, ubiquitous Wi-Fi, "BlackNet", and so on. Hopefully it won't come down to the above. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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