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Inferno: Onion: Former President Carter To Be Tried For Peace Crimes (fwd)
by Jim Choate 07 Aug '03

07 Aug '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:11:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Inferno: Onion: Former President Carter To Be Tried For Peace Crimes from cj, http://www.theonion.com/onion3930/former_president.html

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Slashdot | Bent Fibers Put Networks At Risk (fwd)
by Jim Choate 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Duh!... http://slashdot.org/articles/03/08/06/138230.shtml?tid=126&tid=137&tid=95 -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage(a)ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Computer Voting Expert, Dr. Rebecca Mercuri, Ousted From Elections Conference
by Major Variola (ret) 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

At 05:48 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Adam Shostack wrote: >Huh? Voters don't control the security of the voting system any more >than we control the security of the credit rating/id theft system. The only way to show vote fraud would be to get enough voters to document that the State lied. That would depend on getting enough voters to document their votes such that the non-participants' share in the survey is insignificant to the outcome, as is other noise. Documenting might involve cameras. But cameras might be disallowed because admitting them admits a "vote buying" attack, since votes can then be demonstrated to the payer, much like paper receipts. The current system works, to the extent it does, because of the adversarial and open nature of the supervisory parties. Paper, absentee ballots could be xeroxed as "proof". All fakable of course. Absentee ballots increase participation, and leave a better paper trail than computers, if anyone trustable cares to look. .... One question in voting threat analysis is how many conspirators are involved. Electronics lets you decrease that number.

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Re: Trouble at HavenCo?
by Anonymous Sender 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

> Has 'haven' for questionable sites sunk? > > By Declan McCullagh > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > August 4, 2003, 1:38 PM PT > > LAS VEGAS--A widely publicized > project to transform a platform in > the English Channel into a "safe > haven" for controversial Web > businesses has failed due to > political, technical and management > problems, one of the company's > founders said. Rely on math, not humans.

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Computer Voting Expert, Dr. Rebecca Mercuri, Ousted From Elections Conference
by R. A. Hettinga 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Notice they did this to Chaum, too... Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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Re: Computer Voting Expert, Dr. Rebecca Mercuri, Ousted From Elections Confer...
by Freematt357＠aol.com 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Some effort should be made to communicate the danger of e-ballots to the various grassroots, political organizations interested in voting issues. We really have to get a wider audience made aware of the tremendous danger. And somebody should work on producing an alternative hybrid voting machine that is hard copy paper verifiable. I think we have to give these local governments a viable alternative, a machine that can't be used for Machiavellian machinations. Regards, Matt Gaylor-

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What if all things computable are computable in polynomial time?
by Major Variola (ret) 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

At 01:18 AM 8/6/03 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: >An anonymous sender writes: >> Rely on math, not humans. >What if all things computable are computable in polynomial time? RSA, Inc. stock would go down. We would have to go back to paper and OTP, but we would also get to enjoy the excellent graphics, AI, number theory, etc, that we would win.

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What happened to the Cryptography list...?
by R. A. Hettinga 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

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Re: Computer Voting Expert, Dr. Rebecca Mercuri, Ousted From Elections Confer...
by Freematt357＠aol.com 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

In a message dated 8/6/2003 12:51:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, timcmay(a)got.net writes: Having Mercuri and Chaum ejected is the best thing that could have happened. Absolutely correct..You should try to think up ways to get them to be even more hostile to them. Regards, Matt-

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Re: What happened to the Cryptography list...?
by Major Variola (ret) 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

At 11:49 AM 8/6/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: >On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Adam Back wrote: >> Couldn't he just let people post in his absence? It kind of detracts >> from a list if it disappears for weeks at a time on a regular basis. He moderates it. His choice. Single point of failure, regrettable. >I enjoyed interacting with Perry about 10-11 years ago, mostly on the >Extropians list. Perry was a major political ranter (even if it is not >true that he coined the phrase "Utopia is not an option"). Amusing! Because he keeps cryptography@ politics free, for the most part. Which seems to be why some knowledgable people post there and do not bother with this group. Specialization is fine. I find it useful that both tech and techsocially clueful folks post here. >I despise people's private fiefdoms, whether Dave Farber's "Interesting >People" list or Lewis McCarthy's "Coderpunks" list or any of Bob >Hettinga's various "BearerBunks" and "Phisodex" lists. And Perrypunks, >with its quixotic policy about politics (politics banned, except when >Perry wanted to rant), was just another private fiefdom. A problem with editors in a free market? That's a bit reflexively-anarchic, no? One man's "chafing" is another's "straying off topic" I guess. >I don't dispute their property right to do with their machines as they >wish, absent contracts, but being in their fiefdoms chafes very quickly. Reputation/editing is useful for keeping S/N high, not that one can't invest personally (eg in kill files) to do this. The distributed-CP remailing architecture is interesting, and enforces an anarchic (editor-free) forum, which is a good thing, but as a result has a S/N that deters some folks who are worth listening to, who do post in the other, moderated forum. ---- "Thus ends, at least in Italy, the absurd anarchy that permits anyone to publish online without standards and without restrictions, and guarantees to the consumer minimum standards of quality in all information content, for the first time including electronic media." -Italian govt

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