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17 Dec '03

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:12:19 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks FAQ > > Toto wrote: > > ISP_Ratings wrote: > > > Yes--and given the role Dr. Vulis has played in this matter > > > it would be most appropriate for him to write an FAQ (although > > > I personally ignore most FAQs). > > >Perhaps it would be more appropriate for the good doctor to write a FUQs. > > Why not do it like the Declaration of Independence? A primary author > puts the basic document together, and other persons with expertise in > other important areas add to it, then it gets circulated on the list > for comments and suggestions. > > "Other areas" not normally addressed in these kinds of documents > should include subscribers' awareness that the crypto lists are > a prime target of attention from federal agencies, et al, and > that much of the material posted could be pure disinformation. > I do not think that any Federal Agency would be interested in any group so undisciplined as cypherpunks.

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Re: European crypto export policy
by Jeff A. Hale 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:39 AM 2/18/97 +0100, you (Ulf M=F6ller) wrote: >Swedish Datateknik 97-02 features an article about how COCOM/ Wassenaar >Arrangement effects Swedish crypto exports. > >I wonder if someone whose Swedish is better than mine could summarize >the article? It is at http://www.et.se/datateknik/arkiv/97-02/5.html > >Datateknik 97-01 reports about pressure for crypto regulations from >the US, but also from the EU and OECD [the OECD turned out not to >endorse key escrow shortly after the article was published]. The >Swedish government is currently collecting facts and opinions; so far >it remains an open question which standpoint it will take. England is >preparing a law similar to the French one, while there are policy >discussions similar to the Swedish going on in Germany and Denmark, >says G=F6ran Axelsson, Sweden's representative in the EU's IT security >body. The Japanese are not far behind. Using the emotional -- and often successful -- pretext of "anti-terrorism," (the subway gassing allegedly committed by the "Aum Cult"), the Japanese Ministry of Justice (JMOJ) is about to propose a sweeping new wiretapping/electronic eavesdropping statut= e -- which insiders predict will sail through the Diet (national legislature)=

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Re: Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?
by Alan Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bryan Reece wrote: >> obviously the message will flood the majordomo net before it floods >> the real usenet unless something is seriously broken). I replied: > Why is it obvious that mail propagation will be faster than news > propagation? News propagation times of small numbers of seconds are > not at all uncommon. Sorry, I misunderstood the earlier message. I thought that it referred to news propagation between a small set of hosts versus mail propagation between the same small set of mail/news hosts, and I did not see why it was obvious that mail would be faster than news. But actually the earlier message refered to news propagation over the whole planet versus mail propagation between a small set of hosts, in which case of course news will be slower. --apb (Alan Barrett)

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article on "Wired News"
by Bryce 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "http://www.wired.com/news/" -- headline: " Monday Homeless Cypherpunks Turn to Usenet The 1,400-strong group splinters into three alt. subgroups and a mailing list - but they have plans for staying united. " "STAYING united"? Ha ha ha ha! That's funny! Keep in touch, y'all. :-) Bryce PGP sig follows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMwoIlkjbHy8sKZitAQHccQMAuN28CdLh8r7qbJ08IFHEPihY0EwnUJu3 kMauwXlNdhI+VzNpBnQLkmtUdpGvTKbx2Il77fWrHJD+NM/AuEOY2wfdWJlimMZ5 zvRROoEJwG/dTS4BvsbQFqt62dZAiPH6 =dpG6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Any more like www.anonymizer.com ??
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- edgarswank(a)juno.com (Edgar W Swank) writes: > Does anyone have a list of web proxies for anonymous surfing? > > I already know about www.anonymizer.com, and there was a > "canadianizer" that would alter text to make it more "Canadian", > but that is now apparently defunct. There's a Zippifier (inserts Zippy the Pinhead quotes) at: http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMwn7vskz/YzIV3P5AQEOwgL/RhNiyJUBtcVa8o2mqmflXRDJ89QSoYHL y7gLjhzY30/VXWUL14/m3jn3kN2EUrD9XKA12bauvST769TeRw0AAUepIsijrUAr xKDCG2Jqe4ThLS56AuTmiJQVkDLBDJx6 =gLdy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Address -- Invalid (was Re: message to USSA Senate) (fwd)
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: alexandr(a)win.tue.nl, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, home(a)collegehill.com Date: Tue Feb 18 13:49:43 1997 I checked with the people at College Hill Internet by forwarding your msg to them to which they replied. **N.B. - College Hill did my page so I know them to be reputable. Long story short, they worked on a web page for a particular political campaign and, during the process of doing the web consulting, they briefly set up an e-mail account for them on their server. Since then, they have been treated to a regular supply of spam from various persons who think that is still the Senator's address. They've received threatening spam (about 200 hundred copies of it) which was bounced from them back to senders who in this case weren't even the senders, etc. etc. etc. The headers reflect that they've been forged. Understandably, College Hill is concerned that, those people who might not understand the headers that well, will conclude College Hill as being the spammers - which could damage their reputation. Hope this answers (at least part of) your question. Lynne -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMwn5yD5A4+Z4Wnt9AQG5GQP+Nlf5REseGJ3Nij3Xq76A7Lkcv38vbkS8 iE0XUyJIzZ+B9sixuBHRYCeTHiX8hFRUUMgOCZWFqoXYjN3JWvIbz8W3hFV0LZtf oz7NBE3WEeM6jzDPZlRN/KDiNoMgsPDLgcP0+3P9PbOFln39jc+vvWDjK0uKl3om YBQ7DhCyccs= =PtAp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Interesting question: how to safely keep passwords online
by Ed Falk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a question that's been on my mind lately: Often, you like to keep external passwords stored on your personal computer. As a quick example, Eudora will remember your POP password for you so you don't have to enter it every time. Obviously, Eudora keeps this on disk somewhere. The question is: is there any (relatively) safe way to do this? Obviously, Eudora encrypt the saved password with some secret key, but this key could probably be found by examining the code. A slight improvement would be for Eudora to generate an encryption key on the fly based on some external system state, but this is also susceptible to reverse-engineering. -ed falk

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Re: Constitution and a Right to Privacy
by Vin McLellan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Marshall Clow wrote: >Let's not start this.... <snip> >If we are going to discuss privacy, that's fine. >It we are going to discuss abortion, there are better fora. Right, Marshall. I was attempting to respond directly to Tim's comment, but I too have no desire to let the end of C'punks be yet another sinkhole Abortion Debate. Foil at guard. I'll subside and let any riptide response roll over me;-). (Jeeze! Anyone else feel like these are the Final Days, like when a company goes bankrupt, or graduation day or the like?? I hope one of these C'punkish alternatives will provide an opportunity for some of the same thoughtful and stimulating engagements that toad.com hosted.) Respect to all, pro-choice and pro-life, _Vin

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Re: alt.cypherpunks.ebonics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:16 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >A friend, who, in the CP tradition requested to remain anonymous, and I were >doing an informal analysis of those subjects/topics which over the past year >generated the most discussion and, by implication, interest on the CP list. >Since the list at that time was reportedly unmoderated, we felt some weight >should be given to members' interests/desires as measured by their posts, >regardless of the applicability to the list topic. > >With the exceptions of AP (oh so clearly way off-topic), Quite to the contrary, AP is NOT "oh so clearly way off-topic." First AP, as I've sketched it uses many of the encryption/digital-signature/verification techniques which are often discussed here and are essentially universally agreed as being on-topic. Secondly, the _PROSPECT_ of AP (or, if you'd like, more generally, the whole field of cryptoanarchy, which disables the State by making it unnecessary and powerless) would be and probably is most of the motivation for the various "let's control encryption" proposals that the US government and others have pushed over the last few years. On the other hand, it is equally clear that while AP is "on-topic," nevertheless it is quite distinctly distasteful to a few people around here who seem to believe that the _political_ and _technical" implications of good encryption can be kept safely separated. It is obvious that you are one of those people. It is equally obvious that you are not honest enough to admit that. So rather than say merely "I don't like it" you try to embellish your claims with "oh so clearly way off-topic." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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17 Dec '03

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