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Re: Does information want to be free?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>I confess I was amused by how he described those Internet anarchists >> who delighted in publicizing books that should in fact be restricted. > I am amused (though I am not taking sides) by the general lack of >attention or rhetoric that "crypto-anarchists"/"cypherpunks"/whatever, >otherwise privacy respecting people, usually espouse. Many of us do care about those privacy issues - computers are very good at combining information from multiple sources, and crypto is about the only technology that lets you change the balance of power away from computerized centralization to individual-controlled decentralization. On the other hand, the phrase "books that should in fact be restricted" is viewed by many of us to be a synonym for "the empty set"; "books about government leaders which should be restricted" is an even emptier set, whether they're true, bogus, or some of each. In general, a Cypherpunk(tm) approach to protecting private information is not to advocate laws against distributing it, but to build tools to let you protect it while giving it to people that you _do_ want to have it; perhaps to use individual contracts to protect the information, but also to build tools to support contractual agreements and identify leaks. In some cases, boycotting organizations that violate privacy is a good idea (and building alternatives can support boycotts); flaming them for rudeness is another approach :-), and helping organizations understand the privacy implications of what they're doing and helping them use privacy-preserving methods instead of hanging an SSN on everything is another good cypherpunks activity. On the other hand, building anonymous publishing systems so people can blow the whistle on their government officials is a good thing, even though it may be used by people rude enough to pry into people's private lives. Also, while publishing one politician's cancer experience may be rude, publishing a recent American president's growing senility should have been done more aggressively, as should publishing the moral failures of his Vice president.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Dispel Authority!

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Re: Remailer Operator Liability?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:53 PM 6/15/96 +1000, Zed wrote: >On another front, anonymous remailers were brought up in the latest hearing >of the Church of Scientology's court case against Dennis Erlich. Judge Whyte >expressed concern that trade secret status could be destroyed simply by >posting information through an anonymous remailer. Of course, trade secret status could also be destroyed by posting something straight without anonymity. And were one judgment proof one's exposure as the poster would be meaningless. Even a completely non-anonymous account may be hard to trace if you have a common name and the account is based somewhere far from home. If you open an account on a Dutch system using your (common) name, you might be hard to find. It's the ease of publication not the anonymity that makes the Net dangerous for trade secrets. DCF "If the most common given name on earth is Mohammed and the most common surname is Lee does that mean that the most common name is Mohammed Lee?"

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"treehole"} = "<remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 17 Jun 96 6:46:17 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- replay remailer(a)replay.com ****+*+***+* 6:14 99.98% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu #######**#+# 2:57 99.97% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org *##.-#+--#+# 50:08 99.96% vegas remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com -** **+*#*+# 6:21 99.90% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com .-+++++++-+ 3:15:05 99.90% c2 remail(a)c2.org -++-++++-++ 1:07:45 99.89% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net +++++++++++ 1:05:51 99.76% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi _______._ 60:16:03 99.64% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com ##*### ##+# 2:46 99.49% nymrod nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com +**#++*+* * 9:43 99.45% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu +-++++++++++ 45:49 99.29% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com *** *++***+* 5:07 99.23% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net *#* +--#*-*+ 23:51 99.18% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ------- --- 3:19:01 96.26% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ---.-- ---- 6:23:54 94.00% ncognito ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -....- .. 14:29:58 89.44% treehole remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net +-++++++ 3:28:59 62.60% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org ++***+- 37:51 49.39% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Spy Tech
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Three feathers for spying technology: TST: "MI6 stole secrets from French navy." Top secret technology for tracking nuclear submarines has been stolen from a French naval base by MI6, Britain's foreign intelligence service, after a French civilian engineer was paid thousands of pounds to betray one of his country's most closely guarded secrets to an MI6 front company which posed as a technical defence consultancy and publishing house. TST: "High-flying gliders replace satellites." Solar powered gliders circling above cities could provide a cheap alternative to satellites for global communication systems, according to a group of American scientists. WaJo: "Israel Asks White House to Place Curbs On 3 U.S. Satellite-Surveillance Firms." The request is regarded as "very sensitive," according to one U.S. official, because Israeli officials say it relates to their national security concerns. However, officials of the affected U.S. companies charge it amounts to unfair competition because an Israeli company is about to enter the space surveillance business and it wouldn't face similar restrictions. http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/tekspy.txt (18 kb) Spy surf: http://www.anonymizer.com Or, TEK_spy

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No Subject
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:14 PM 6/16/96 -0500, "John A. Perry" wrote: :-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- :Version: 2.6.2 : :hIwDSReYoIbc3PkBA/9xblBrrofx89t5QoJVwCyGB/+futdCXEolwcsQdwWGcDtc :7Vn7orCB8v6iQO+sCgAlYf38ftUxGmzebDd/7eWodTGx8XKnzBIZ9E6bRS38XLRa :XDaipoiNRDi7gX2DA5ADtshTLtUiCjaYurGxGEla2iIMrEacGEyyekdZpUYT1KYA :AAJ17fM4D2X8vpKTtWLr/6REeQvxPU80FpWKa/q1b6wMZ43oG9ZolMONj65hWqX0 :mhY+wp/vUsvQ21P/9VzYF0sy9JIAr45VhoDZBBCG0UW23WoOInXko2Kl2UeZmrut :xR/nZm1sMzU+XYr7QG17aOfeezRs/frYEpvuAbrWYNELlPH72OBJ368nSkesiTo+ :gELda7vNsD12UTEl7gRAo3WizCY2zsQySLOShEiAX7f5vYco8A6pEwJ4XYs4pGn6 :xV4JNUeMjBKGtVkGoZJln3x7W1brgGmRNQbY/dcmCkExOOp+4myRVu0/ufH7n5TO :FWqrb+nqyjgnirqS9DwoqB5JsHiMWU/dJBaCtXH4i1p//oeE9FE82nE2vAOZGMvn :D+MRnheCVRi2TWnwe44PnB+L5z7+J+YJyulGM3bvXhZukjGCAj+EMmWxqkSgc2NS :/xh6efgZNACmQIqxLdsw6TLbh9p+yMaxtaCZU9Bs9jw8dN+7FBZxgFG/hrrI1uh3 :oFahFMDXXAUMUs7lFOcxjAWTRRZKKSOG2mg5M5mr8VbY+5BQdcJJeY+jSCnDinUC :wGFfEWlZMV7sdKhzA0YkHJYBgAPtmTaxrHQidPce46FbIeYVRsUOSEtvttYpMjIz :mCVc5ywueUXbUe5UW3KrlV8uxKH3fEIEZ9Pxf3M9XR/aFXysccnzNzbe87XN8PDk :mxzsRzmoD0CgCSAGfNrTdWl8bFQGnEaweMPnSIFzbSJkRcO0oiBU4/dhEFYiPgx5 :UD2r0uFNjKPt4KFBbFJLi0mrMuOCaxjhva7i70GQ95b4qVsyOZLN5KYSUnSDxDX4 :HFUIrEI/rsw= :=BesD :-----END PGP MESSAGE----- : My Cypherpunk's New Member's Package did not contain the key to decypher this obviously witty and succinct message; I would appreciate an individual with full membership to pgp this and post it for the benefit of others. Anyone with key id 86DCDCF9 come on down! Thanks.

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, richieb(a)teleport.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, secure(a)commtouch.com Date: Mon Jun 17 16:44:10 1996 Pronto Secure, currently in beta 6.16, is shaping up as a fine all-inclusive mail package that supports PGP. You might want to take a look at it at: Beta Testers residing in the USA are invited to download the beta from: http://www.commtouch.com/secus/secus1.htm Non US residents should download from: http://www.commtouch.com/secnon/secintl1.htm I have been with it since beta 1 and it definately has come a long way. Platforms supported are the MS GUI. It is a 16-bit app. I currently run it under NT 3.51 w/ 32-bit PGP executables. Take a look. Lou Z. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMcXR4ctPRTNbb5z9AQH8Tgf/aCWChVMTKFyv+NpADQqosnMO2C7EAj/Z o+O2KwQ91YVaRpkmJjrHzQuP+ou6YKHi5hH9SLRbN5Ox4/8YMmaOIRjqOrTmgta8 +fMBAtJ01AyWW9ZZh0sfEqM32RQ8Pt+x2Q8+MuyuEU/9vaeGhbb7DksGA8y2ht/5 uDKBUtrGgxAS7Yr2VRJVJXNd1b7eFdKGFUhBJJo9ig11/ICHcXVbUqpQ9Iqi2aRT hoRRVtiMawCJznXaYid+2fami/pgtq/i00kV9y4ge3TOooxM4KZB3LZziCbS8R4d AfaG9dj0wP50/zDhFxdExVc6NbQzTyr3kY+4z/47qkIZZ3wn5paezw== =FO3b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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San Diego Cypherpunks Physical Meeting
by Chris Claborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

San Diego Area CPUNKS symposium Thursday, June 20th, 1996 Invitation to all Cypherpunks to join the San Diego crowd at "The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop" were I hope to get an update of Lance Cottrell's anonymous e-mail server, "mixmaster", exchange keys, and discuss other topical CP stuff. There's always the semi-topical discussions; Internet Service Provider in San Diego (providing, anonymous remailers and other privacy services), stelth communications, latest Cypherpunk goings-on, Internet happenings (like recent Federal court decision). Don't forget to bring your public key fingerprint. If you can figure out how to get it on the back of a business card, that would be cool. Place: The Mission Cafe & Coffee Shop 3795 Mission Bl in Mission Beach. 488-9060 Time:1800 Their Directions: 8 west to Mission Beach Ingram Exit Take west mission bay drive Go right on Mission Blvd. On the corner of San Jose and mission blvd. It is located between roller coaster and garnett. It's kind of 40s looking building... funky looking (their description, not mine) They serve stuff to eat, coffee stuff, and beer. See you there! New guy, bring your key fingerprint. Drop me a note if you plan to attend. 2 -- C -- ... __o .. -\<, Chris.Claborne(a)SanDiegoCA.NCR .Com ...(*)/(*). CI$: 76340.2422 http://bordeaux.sandiegoca.ncr.com/ PGP Pub Key fingerprint = 7E BF 38 3F 24 A7 D1 B0 54 44 96 AA 10 D0 5D 51 Avail on Pub Key server. Dreams. They're just screen savers for the brain.

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Re: Snake Oil on the Water...
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: dsmith(a)prairienet.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Mon Jun 17 18:59:49 1996 They have started mentioning the product on their web pages and provide a link to the beta site for sign-ups etc. Since 6.x I have not yet experienced a product crash, except with a disk full condition which was reported to them earlier today. BTW, would you be interested in setting up a secure channel for testing? Lou Z. Lou Zirko (502)383-2175 Zystems lzirko(a)c2.org "We're all bozos on this bus" - Nick Danger, Third Eye -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQEVAwUBMcXxrctPRTNbb5z9AQGfwAgAn7PYnixstxM13Bm6/VTEJp0J7b7e4kh8 evPhPIrsfgWskZzQY/YJtNtaV8p7hphPMeOewGpZ/lXhuPPZeHwLWmFTx/cmX5po g8imoxfwPheHaVtj2R2mdvEyL7Xfiz/YZDJ2E9pyqN7euIrx+xPwbDVqedv87TC3 sFwJecbSpAmGwR2f5V7SrVx+uQcdQ+NzUyOhcToYRnbl7gydEyuGQpQNpn7uyi8S fpvqyoKMwU/ki6xLKIHBPmp8ZQK0AeWnOQl80oGbG7jUGveW9ESs5BwrtXSQPDlI 4SXv1T1UGlVF+DtLFgGHP5agGhl4KT+c5z4ZUTc+BzqSs5aqYmB8yA== =4txl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Royalties (was "Re: Micropayments are Crap", which is a boring s
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 17 Jun 96 at 12:45, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: [..] > 2. copyrights. the issue of copyrights is not even resolved today. > when serious cash starts to be associated with cyberspace you > are going to see a lot of incredibly agitated people, especially > lawyers. I imagine systems will evolve that are similar to > a technology that has evolved by which radio stations pay music > companies whenever they play artists songs. (if any cpunks could > elaborate on this system, I think it is an excellent preliminary > example of how a microcurrency-like system would interact with > a copyright situation). I think similar standards are going to Excellent example? I dunno. At the non-commercial station I work, once a year or every other year ASCAP or BMI, for a two week period, wants our playlists... not the usual playlists, but detailed ones which even the most anal-retentive people hate to fill out: the performer, the song writer (not always the same), album and song titles, record label, and if music is ASCAP, BMI, etc. Includes not only songs but them music, background music, etc. I don't remember the rates, but non-commercial stations pay a lower rate than commercial ones. Royalties are supposedly divied out to songwriters (and performers?) or record companies based on how much airplay they received, which I guess is averaged out for the whole year. I don't know if they survey all radio stations around the same time or space it out for different areas and different stations throughout the year. Touch luck for artists who get some airplay but not enough to make it on the lists, of course. Digital area: possibility that people will feel because it's computerized, EVERYTHING can be kept track of. This is problematic, aside from privacy reasons, because the big royalty makers get less and the smaller people get more. Parallel with experiemtal Nielson-ratings tech... a special cable box that did the monitoring for you, and even had an electronic eye that could tell if anyone was in the room, or if they were sleeping or reading the paper rather than watching... apparently every station got much lower ratings than when people generously filled out booklets, so the stations threatened to set up an alternate system, so I don't know if that system was adopted. I'm curious as to how royalities are divied up from the cassette tax, since everyone with blank casssettes is, of course, violating copyrights according to some logic. Will people want royalities for reselling? There was a flack a few years ago from some big record distributors over used CD sales. They refused to supply some of the big chains if they continued to sell used CDs without giving them a cut. Rob

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Re: Netscape Mail Security and PGP Plugins
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>However as has been mentioned here a PGP/MIME mail type could >theoretically be used to activate a handler for that incoming mail. I >don't know exactly how this would work. Glancing at the netscape plug >docs near <URL: >http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/handbook/plugins/ > it appears >that plugins are activated on HTML page downloads, not (necessarily) on >mail receipt. So unless you typically find your incoming mail on a web >page, it doesn't look like this will work. I will ask about it on >coderpunks for clarification. Netscape 2 seems to support HTML in email files. Has anyone tested it with a plugin?

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