- cypherpunks-legacy - lists.cpunks.org

Re: What's the "Human Interaction Institute" at CMU For ???
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:28 AM 4/17/96 -6, Peter Trei wrote: >> PS: If anyone can tell me the name of the 1965 movie >> starring Michael Renee that dealt with the above two issues, >> please tell me. >> >> If you were not aware, the movie dealt with a plan, >> initially, to link all humanity directly to each other. One >> could "download" data directly into your brain ! You could >> also have "mental telepathy" and communicate with others. >> Michael Renee's character escapes to the past to try to end >> research done by a scientist, that lead up to the inevitable >> >> a totalitarian world government takes control of everyone; >> >> even your thoughts are no longer private. >I strongly suspect that you are refering to "Cyborg 2087" aka >"The Man from Tomorrow" a 1966 film starring Micheal Rennie >(note spelling). >It took about 2 minutes to track this down on the net. >Peter Trei A different (and rather funny) treatment of a similar concept was done in the 1967 (?) movie, "The President's Analyst," with James Coburn, Godfrey Cambridge, Severn Darden.

1 0

COQ_tal
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

4-17-96. Fint: "When rocket scientists crash out of orbit." Barry Riley essays on the impact of physicists and mathematicians on finance and economics, while reporting on a recent article by three physicists critiquing the shortcomings of the Black-Scholes formula for pricing options. The Bouchaud-Iori-Sornette formula for "real world" options attempts to minimise these residual risks, especially by applying a more sophisticated mathematical treatment to the "tails" of the distribution. If the risks cannot be hedged out, at least they can be reduced via diversification. A bracing cocktail for the recent cpunks bar-slappers on funny-money and unscriving and eye-grit quackers. COQ_tal

1 0

Re: Clinton blathering about Internet terror
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"m5(a)vail.tivoli.com" "Mike McNally" 17-APR-1996 11:19:57.56 >Subject: Clinton blathering about Internet terror >See http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/960417/news/stories/internet_1.html. Also at http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/info/041796/info11_8930.html. The listing of sites outside of the US might encourage people to realize that this information can't be stopped. -Allen

1 0

Re: What's the "Human Interaction Institute" at CMU For ???
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > The title could refer to net censorship, or to bio-medical > implantation of control computers inside human brains. > Stephen S. > salgaller(a)ccgate.hac.com > or try: > salgaller(a)aol.com > > PS: If anyone can tell me the name of the 1965 movie > starring Michael Renee that dealt with the above two issues, > please tell me. > > If you were not aware, the movie dealt with a plan, > initially, to link all humanity directly to each other. One > could "download" data directly into your brain ! You could > also have "mental telepathy" and communicate with others. > Michael Renee's character escapes to the past to try to end > research done by a scientist, that lead up to the inevitable > > a totalitarian world government takes control of everyone; > > even your thoughts are no longer private. > > You get the idea. This was also done as part of the movie > "Terminator 2"; I wonder if the writer of the 1965 movie got > any screen credit or royalties for T2 ??? > > I'm worrying too much, right ? It can't happen here ??? > Tim Mc Veigh said he had a bio chip implant. Nah... I strongly suspect that you are refering to "Cyborg 2087" aka "The Man from Tomorrow" a 1966 film starring Micheal Rennie (note spelling). It took about 2 minutes to track this down on the net. Peter Trei Senior Software Engineer Purveyor Development Team Process Software Corporation http://www.process.com trei(a)process.com

2 1

Clinton worried books may help arm terrorists
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Roiters, 4/17/96: Clinton worried books may help arm terrorists TOKYO, April 17 (Roiter) - U.S. President Bill Clinton said on Wednesday he was worried that books are aiding international terrorism by making it too easy for sinister forces to learn how to make bombs or produce nerve gas. "Are people learning, for example, from reading how to make the same sort of trouble in the United States that was made in Japan with sarin gas?" Clinton said at a news conference with Japanese Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto in Tokyo. "Isn't it a concern that anybody, anywhere in the world, can find books and encyclopedia articles about how to build a bomb like the bomb that blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City?" he added. Clinton said Japan and the United States, both victims of home-grown terrorism last year, should learn from each other about how to deal with the dangerous issue of unauthorized reading. >From Tokyo, President Clinton is to fly to North Korea to discuss North Korea's successful campaign to limit access to books and reading.

1 0

META: Having the last word
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:58 PM 4/17/96, rick hoselton wrote: >I am enjoying this discussion, but I feel like I'm running out of >useful new ways to try to express this idea. If I don't reply, >it doesn't mean you have convinced me. :) I have long used this principle. All discussions have to end at some point, and I have no problems with others having "the last word." If they think that by having the last word, or by my non-response to their points, that they have "won," or that I am speechless before their eloquence, then of course they were not worth arguing with in the first place. No point in arguing with the preterite. (My neo-Calvinist stoicism showing.) Recall the recent absurdity of one of our list members repeatedly saying "I see that Joe Blow has still not responded to my arguments, so I guess he has conceded defeat! Hee Hee." The more likely explanation is that his opponent simply realized what he was dealing with. --Tim May THE X-ON CONGRESS: INDECENT COMMENT ON AN INDECENT SUBJECT, by Steve Russell, American Reporter Correspondent....You motherfuckers in Congress have dropped over the edge of the earth this time... "the sorriest bunch of cocksuckers ever to sell out the First Amendment" or suggesting that "the only reason to run for Congress these days is to suck the lobbyists' dicks and fuck the people who sent you there," ....any more than I care for the language you shitheads have forced me to use in this essay...Let's talk about this fucking indecent language bullshit.

1 0

Re: A possible problem with more regulation possible?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:17 PM 4/16/96 EDT, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: > This proposal would appear to increase vulnerability to regulation. > -Allen > >From: IN%"educom(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu" 7-APR-1996 18:42:00.83 > >>MORE ROUTERS = MORE INTERNET BROWNOUTS >>As businesses and Internet operators keep adding routers to speed electronic >>content on its way, the proliferation of routing devices actually begins to >>slow traffic, causing Internet "brownouts" -- when the response time slows >>to a crawl. The solution could be an updated Internet, redesigned for >>fewer, more powerful routers, so that data packets need fewer hops. "The >>U.S. Internet is about as reliable these days as the phone system in >>Russia," says NetStar's VP for sales and marketing. (Business Week 8 Apr 96 >>p82) I'd like to hear of some estimates of the cost (total, and per-user) of installing the system, and running Internet on a daily basis. They are spread out over a large number of entities, but I'd think they could be estimated with at least a factor-of-two precision. What are the costs of laying fiber? Switching equipment? etc.

1 0

Re: "STOP SENDING ME THIS SHIT"
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This rash of postings reminds me of a technique to harass someone by telephone. You note that pager companies are usually assigned a block of telephone numbers. So you program your auto-dialer to dial each in turn and then send your target's number. Result: your target gets a lot of, "Why did you page me?" calls. (My collage roommate had fun in high school by dialing two "random" numbers on his two line phone and then connecting them together and listening to the result.) The analogy here is to spoof mail addresses to subscribe your target to high-volume mailing lists. If you want to attack the list as well, even better. Can someone be subscribed to cypherpunks and not get the welcome message? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

1 0

Re[2]: "STOP SENDING ME THIS SHIT"
by Adam Pingitore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've got news for you all. This 'jerk' was spammed by some ass out there. I've canceled by subscription so would you all quit whining already. Sorry if I sent you people inappropriate mail, but I just wasn't very happy getting 2000 e-mails a day.

2 1

[NOISE] Toast Fishing in America
by Dave Del Toasto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[from "If _____ Made Toasters" ...my edits] If The Rand Corporation made toasters... They would be large, perfectly smooth, seamless black cubes. Each morning, exactly as much toast as you could eat would appear on top of your toaster. Their service department would have an unlisted phone number and the cube's blueprints would be highly-classified government documents, but the "X-Files" would have an episode with a partially disassembled toaster remarkably similar to it visible in the background. If the NSA made toasters... Your toaster would have a secret crumb-door on the back that only the NSA could open in case they needed to inspect your toast for breakfasts of a national security nature.

1 0